FULL TILT POKER

SITE:

This was a site that was launched in the middle of 2004. The bigthing about this site is that you can play against some professional players, like John Juanda, Phil Gordon, and more. The pros don't necessarily play that much but if you are on the site regularly then you will encounter them. I personally sat with Phil Gordon at a $3/$6 table and chatted with him a little bit.

BONUS:

Full Tilt has a 100% bonus up to $600. It is one of the biggest bonuses in online poker. It takes a long time to earn it though.

TOURNAMENTS:

They have a decent tournament selection where you can play with pros and they also have satelites for the popular TV tournies.

POINTS:

"We offer you one point for every dollar in rake that is dropped, including fractional points. Most sites limit you to a maximum of one point for every hand; we let you earn up to 3 points per hand. You can also earn points playing in tournaments and Sit & Go's. Earn 7 points for every $1 in entry fees, with no limit to the number of points you can earn per tournament.

There are multiple ways to use your points, including entries into special points tournaments, and redemption for merchandise. Start collecting points now, so when our store opens you can redeem for jerseys, shirts, hats and more! Full Tilt will be offering special bonus point games, so keep an eye out for ways to earn extra points! ".

SOFTWARE:

The software is pretty good. The functionality is decent and you can set up cartoon avatars (if that is your thing).

COMMENTS:

jessanders
May 11, 2008
How do you explain, nitemare6, the thousands of people who make money playing online on full tilt??? If they are "cheating", explain how some are able to make so much money? And before you go ranting that they don't exist, I have 3 very close, personal friends who are online poker pros and play online at fulltilt. If they can do it, and they grew up in middle of nowhere mid-west USA, how can it be rigged?

nitemare6
April 28, 2008
there is NO DOUBT that full tilt poker is run by a bunch of cheats and that it is rigged. There is NO doubt about this except what you want to rationalize away with all the propaganda they feed you. Do you really think poker is an honest game online! Do you not read the paper and look at all the corruption in the US and the World! Someday we will all see an expose about these scumbags and how they had players who were their shills designed to win them money or how they pre-program hands and tournies to benefit them. It will all come out some day. Tell me does anyone - i repeat ANYONE -- really know who runs Full Tilt or who programs their RNG. Look at the charlatan "gaming commission" who "certifies" their RNG! GIVE ME A BREAK! Why don't they have AND PUBLISH audits of their dealing system by reputable firms??! These are crooks; and maybe worse than that..... maybe they are connected... if you know what I mean! Goodbye to bad rubbish on Full Tilt! Find live games guys! Then if you get bad beats with an honest deal you can chalk it up to real poker and learn. You can't learn squat on Full Tilt except to be a MIND READER and know you should lay down a set of jacks because some donk is going to get 3-4 runners to beat you....... time and again like I have had happen! There are some hands you cannot and should not lay down. Full Tilt EXPLOITS this poker principle with good players to STEAL our monies via rakes and other means! I am sure of this NOW!! This isn't real poker. This is rigged poker!! Full RIGGED Tilt poker! EVERY TIME you get short stacked in a tournament, you always alwasy lose to a large chip stack despite the actual odds of that play. NOW, do you think this is a coincidence or anecdotal. Nope!! They have to release server space. SO ask yourself you excuse-niks... if they can program small tournies like this to get rid of short stacks..... what makes you think they are not technologically sophisticated enough to pull other online scams where bigger money involved and they know it is too hard to prove their collusion or lack of integrity!! History is replete with people who have stole and cheated in situations whereit seemed impossible and/or unncessary for them to do so since they were making lots of money already. Enron anyone?! ETC. ETC. Full Tilt Poker is rigged poker!!

nitemare6
April 28, 2008
there is NO DOUBT that full tilt poker is run by a bunch of cheats and that it is rigged. Ther is NO doubt about htis except what you want to rationalize away with all the propaganda they feed you. Do you really think poker is an honest game online! Do you not read the paper and look at all the corruption in the US and the World! Someday we will all see an expose about these scumbags and how they had players who were their shills designed to win them money or how they pre-program hands and tournies to benefit them. It will all come out some day. Tell me does anyone - i repeat ANYONE -- really know who runs Full Tilt or who programs their RNG. Look at the charlatan "gaming commission" who "certifies" their RNG! GIVE ME A BREAK! Why don't they have audits of their dealing system by reputable firms??! These are crooks; and maybe worse than that..... maybe they are connected... if you know what I mean! Goodbye to bad rubbish on Full Tilt! Find live games guys! Then if you get bad beats with an honest deal you can chalk it up to real poker and learn. You can't learn squat on Full Tilt except to be a MIND READER and know you should lay down a set of jacks because some donk is going to get 3-4 runners to beat you....... time and again like I have had happen! There are some hands you cannot and should not lay down. Full Tilt EXPLOITS this poker principle with good players to STEAL our monies via rakes and other means! I am sure of this NOW!! This isn't real poker. This is rigged poker!! Full RIGGED Tilt poker !!!

jessanders
April 26, 2008
Ok... Honestly... I've lost money playing online, quite a bit, when I am a consistent winner in $50-$500 live buy-in tournaments and $.25,$.50-$2,$5 cash games, but is that because online poker is rigged? I've analysed this an awful lot through my own play, hand histories, as well as those of a few of my friends, and I have noticed 4 major differences between online play on ALL websites I've analysed (FTP being one of them) versus live play: 1. People play more hands for more money online than they do in live play. 2. People call with weaker hands on the flop/turn/river in case you are bluffing more often. 3. The average bet in online games is the pot, where in most live games people bet between the minimum bet to 2/3 the pot more often. 4. People semi-bluff and straight out bluff with hands they normally wouldn't. To explain. 1. You see people limp in a lot in both online and live play. The difference between online play and live play is that people get crazy for some reason. In live play, people will limp with Q-Jo under the gun, but if there is a raise and a re-raise, most of the time they will fold. Online, this seems to be a calling situation far more frequently, meaning that more hands make it to the flop more often, which means there are more suckouts. 2. People may call a big raise in live play with 8-9s in position preflop, but if the flop is 2-9-A rainbow, they will usually either call the bet on the flop or fold. Online, they seem to raise a lot more in this situation. This leads, again, to people getting "pot-committed" (I put in quotes because they really aren't, but they get it in their mind that they are), and staying with a hand to the river they normally wouldn't. This applies to little pocket-pairs on a ragged board. You're pretty likely to fold 5-5 if someone under the gun raised, you called, the flop comes out 2-6-8, they bet, you raise, they push all-in. In a live game, this is usually an easy fold (again, not always going to fold here, not always correct, but sometimes). Online, people call in this situation far more often. 3. People re-raise, raise and call to bluff on later streets in all forms of poker in both online and live poker, but the likelihood that a person is semi-bluffing online is far greater than in live games. If you are a consistent winner in live games, but a consistent loser in online games, track how often you raise as a semi-bluff, or even as a straight bluff, in both live and online games. You'll find that you're doing it more online. 4. This ties into 3 a lot too. If you semi-bluff raise on the flop when your opponent bets 1/2 the pot (an average continuation bet out of position in live play), and you raise 3x that bet (an average raise in live play), you put in 1 and 1/2 the original pot to win 1 and 1/2 the original pot. Even if he does call, the original pot is only swelling to 3x it's size (the original, 1/2 [his bet], 1 and 1/2 [your raise], 1 [his call]). This leads to the average pot, post flop, assuming all average bets/raises (3x the big blind preflop, both blinds folding) at between 14 and 16 big blinds. Online, raise the pot preflop (assuming no limpers), 3.5x the big blind. You call, there is 8.5 BB's in the pot preflop (as opposed to the 7.5 in live play). He bets the pot (8.5), you re-raise the pot (there are 17 big blinds in with is bet and yours preflop and his bet on the flop, you call 8.5 bringing it to 25.5, and raise 25.5 more, bringing the total pot to 51 bb's as you semi-bluff). Where does this leave you? If you are playing an average stack of 100x the big blind, in live play, you've committed approximately 1/6 of your stack, where as online, you've committed over 1/4, and you've almost pot committed yourself. This leads to bigger pots and more bad beats. So, when you say online poker is rigged, first analyze the extraneous factors that could lead to this being a thought before accusing the sites of having more bad beats. And by the way, Aces against an average hand all-in is only about a 75% favorite. However, aces get all-in and called online much more often, and therefore they lose more often. And the odds of someone having Aces when you have Kings, 24-1, so roughly 4%. This happens much more often online because, well, you see on average about 3x the hands.

mrkromer
Tough decision April 23, 2008
My bankroll story, and I know there are a LOT of them on here about FT: I deposited $100 into full tilt after bankrupting at poker stars, lost about $400 there after winning a $2200 tournament and cashing out $1400 of it. So I turn the $100 into $300 FAST, then gradually I get up over $500, all at cash games. All of the sudden, I'm getting disconnected from the server 2-3 times per hour and missing out on great opportunities to rake big pots. Then my trips and straights start getting flushes drawn on them, within 2 weeks I'm flat broke! Same stakes, same strategy, same environment, but huge turnaround. I've been told that if you use good bankroll management, you should not go broke if you play solid, FT doesn't support that theory. I say play live, I win much more live but just don't have the resources where I live to do it often, sucks. Mike

Cisco_Tajuara
April 21, 2008
Well, off course there are bad beats everywhere, and that's a fact, but what happens in full tilt is too much, I saw my aces cracked, even when they were three, two on my hand and one on the board, and I also noticed that when the tournaments are close to the final table the software eliminate the short stacks little by little, in one single tournament I lost with donkey calls, I had AJ of spades and some stupid call me with A4 off suited and beats me, then I had AK of diamonds and somebody beats me with A8 off suited again, and this happen several times, we start with a bankroll of 50, and after 2 weeks playing very tight and very patient we built a bankroll of almost 450, but then we start to lose, and all bad beats, all the time, we saw pur KK cracked by A8 or even worst by 3 7 off suited, why this happen??, some other time (this is worst) I had 8 9 of hearts, so I call the blind and the flop shows 6 7 and 10, so the guy in my side went all in with 10 9, and guess what, the turn shows and 9 and the river shows a 9 as well, he made full house and I was out of the tournament, that was really sick and we always lose against the chip leaders so the software can send the nine players to the final table, I mean I just lost a couple of bucks, and I think is ok because I'm playing live poker now which is better, but the thing is that when things like that happen to you sometimes you are afraid to gamble, in conclusion, I think full tilt is rigged, not all the time, but sometimes can make anything that is possible for eliminate you from a tournament in order to go to the final tables

selani123
April 10, 2008
Help!! I opend an account and over a period of 3 weeks deposited $750. Well I kept getting run down in live hands and busting out on the bubble in tourneys. I was down to $50 left and finally had a good run one night and ended up with $650.00. I requested a withdraw back to my bank account and it was denied without a reason. I made a request again and did this 5 times. Each time it took over 2 days for them to respond and they continually denied my requests without a reason. Finally after threatening e-mails they got back to me and told me that my account had been closed and my monies were seized. Apparently they never closed my old account from 2006. The last time I used it was in July of 2006 and I requested in August that it be closed. Their response was that they don't allow multiple accounts, which I understand, but I didn't think I had one. And furthermore, why did they not notice anything when I made over 10 deposits in the last three weeks to my new account. They never refused to accept my deposits, but the minute I wanted to withdraw there was a problem. In their email to me they stated that I could transfer my money to my primary (old) account and play there, but they haven't done it. I made the request over 3 days ago and no one has responded. My money is still out there and I don't know what to do next. Has anyone had a problem like this in the past? I will do everything in my power, including legal action to hold them accountable. They shouldn't be able to do this to hard-working, honest people.

super chris
April 4, 2008
Obviously i think any1 who is reading this feels full tilt is rigged or otherwise u wouldnt have found this site. For those who think that full tilt isnt rigged than u havent played for months or u havent cashed out yet. When i first deposited my 50$, in a month in a half i raised it to about 1150 and then i cashed out 650. I immediately lost my remaining banroll and havent been over 200 since. Sure ive lost due to my play some but far more times i go out of a tourney w/ aces losing to 7 5 or 8 6 w/ straights on the flop. When i see aces i honestly feel im going 2 exit the tourney or lose and that just isnt realistic in live games. Now we all want to think were just running bad or maybe that was just a bad beat but after 5 months of it i highly doubt it. I had k's in a 24+1 tourney last week already in the money in about 14th of 177th place. I call to a pre-flop raise hoping to trap. The flop comes 7 8 k and i flop trips. I had been bluffing all night and people began to pick up on it. So the raiser bets pot and i raise and hes re-raises me all-in and i call. He show 10's to my k's. His only out was runner runner 10 or 9 6 about 1% odds. Sure enough a 9 6 comes off the board and these miracle outs happen constantly. Another one of my concerns is that there normally seems to b one player who is getting all the luck and all the cards. As if full tilt chose him to go to the final table and possibly win. I have more but the bottom line is that full tilt is not a great internet poker site.

Docholiday
April 3, 2008
[QUOTE=AmericanDrifter;209475]You people are all paranoid. Full Tilt is no different than any other site. Over the last few years I have played at Bodog, Pokerstarts, UltimateBet, and Full Tilt. The one thing they all have in common is players who say "this site is so rigged" or "this is the most rigged site". The fact is that bad beats happen and they are far more memorable than favored hands holding. While a collection of antedotal observations about bad calls being paid off can create the illusion of a scam, it should not be considered statistical proof. Over a period of time, the cream rise to the top. The best players win over time, not because the site is rigged, but because they make the right decisions. Bad beats are frustrating, but getting your chips in the middle with the best is the only way to win.[/QUOTE] I repeatedly thought i was paranoid, thas y i jus went back to ftp. Again and again, the same happens. I have played profitably on all sites on most stakes and against a range of abilitys....except ftp where im down $800. Ive recorded profits over 150 $2 hu tournys and ended up breaking even. I DONT BREAK EVEN!! Had my money 90% of the time in great spots only to be outdrawn nearly 1/2 the time. I know im not paranoid, maybe seriously unlucky on one of the seven sites i use but ive seen enough to know not to go back there. Ive signed up to poker stars playin $2 tournys about 6 hrs ago and im up $20 , thas $20 more than i earned in 3 DAYS on ftp

kdanwill
March 31, 2008
These may just be my paranoid ramblings, but here they are. FTP would not benefit from any abnormal programming at their normal tables since they receive a profit from every hand played. However, an abnormality in the code of MTTs serves the purpose of eliminating some of the server traffic and also does not cut into the profits since the rake is taken prior to the tournament. Anybody who has played in a cash MTT has certainly had to notice some irregularities based on the size of chip stacks. Larger chip stacks consistently hit seemingly impossible draws. I'm not talking AK vs 88 or any other coin flip situation. Here's an example: Shorter stack flops a nut flush and the larger stack flops top pair. Large stack then proceeds to suck out a boat. You can chalk a few of these up to coincidence, but seeing 5-6 hands every tournament just at your table with similar odds and outcomes tends to raise some suspicion. Let's just say the larger stack is a 15% chance (that's being generous) to win at whatever point they go all in. That is 1:6.67 odds of sucking out. If this occurs only ten times during a tournament, it places the odds of those hands hitting at 1:174284329. In other words, that’s one to 174 million. I don't know about you guys, but I have never playing in a tournament with 174 million hands dealt. Obviously a claim like this would have to be examined over hundreds of thousands of hands, something I lack both the time and patience to complete. I consider poker to be 10% perspiration, 10% education, and 80% frustration, but I'm getting rather tired of playing tight, sound poker and regularly losing to inferior hands due to noticeably improbable draws. Hell, it’s gotten to the point that I can call my girlfriend into the room and say, “Hey honey, watch this, an eight is coming on the river.” Also, there is a phenomenon that I refer to as the “Magical River Card” that makes a hand for everybody at the table. I won’t get into it now though. Have fun playing and try not to pull all your hair out.

superman
March 25, 2008
So I am not crazy. LOL. For awhile I used to think that because we saw so many hands playing online, that of course we would see more bad beats. But then you begin to wonder, WTF? We've all experienced crap calls and one outters in tournaments. But does it make sense for Tilt to rig games? Why tarnish their reputation? Yeh, they would save money if they never paid out on 120K tourneys. But why would they rig the games? They take a decent rake - pretty much the same as live casinos w/o the overhead. It doesn't make any sense for them to rig the site. So how can you explain all the bad beats? First of all - RANDOM CARD GENERATOR MY ASS. Secondly, no one checks their coding, they can program whatever the hell they want. I'm sure they have a "Suck Out" function cranked up to 90%. I've played live in every casino in Vegas as well as a handful in the LA area. I fair much better live than online - I play the cards. I have never ever seen as bad beats on live as on Tilt. I have a network of friends who are all gambling "junkies" - over 250 strong. None of them have ever won a major tourney online with Tilt. A few have won on Bodog - I'm talking $120K to first place. If you look at the most profitable player rankings and their sites, Tilt players are very seldom top ten. So does Tilt rig their site or use bots? Probably not. I don't think that they would risk their reputation or profits. So the only conclusion is that there is a flaw in the programming for the card generators. Flaw? Or intentional? Undoubtedly, the code is generated by some outfit probably in India - a bunch of rancid fellows sitting around and laughing at us dumb Americans who continue to throw money away. So screw Tilt. I'm going to take up fly fishing. This is interesting regarding the effect of RNG's on security: [url]http://ultimatebet.com/support/random-number-generator[/url]

babolat2
March 24, 2008
i want to thank all of you for posting your views on whether or not internet poker is rigged. i too now feel less crazy. at first i reasoned that it was just bad luck, however it was the persistance of the bad beats that have convinced me of my suspicions. i am sure that if i conducted similar experiments such as stevethe4th i would find similar conclusions. i am fairly confident that it would stand the test of scrutiny. however one thing has perplexed me. even though most of us here are not to be described as "noobies" i doubt that any of us sit down with an excess of $20,000 like i have seen some players do. it is logical that someone who is willing to sit down with tens of thousands of dollars will know EVERYTHING that goes on in the world of internet. those high rollers are obviously professionals and obviously know everyone involved if they are willing to sit down at the tables with that kind of money. so my question that i would like to ask all of you is that even though it is at the very least extremely suspicious that internet poker is rigged that why would someone who obviously knows much more than we do sit down at a table with $20,000 if there are rumors circulating? why would he risk that much money on a rigged site? remember that i am not trying to defend internet poker not being rigged i am just wondering how could this be. a theory of mine that might explain this is that perhaps once you get to a certain level of "high stakes" perhaps the casino will finally take the game seriously? since that 90% of the players are sitting down with less than $1000 maybe this could explain the high rollers having faith? probably not but it is something to think about. PLEASE EVERYBODY TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THIS.... I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR OPINIONS

nitemare6
March 23, 2008
Ok, I know. A 4 on the turn could have beat me also!

nitemare6
March 23, 2008
Tried to edit it for spelling/typos but it didn't correct my post. Sorry.

nitemare6
March 23, 2008
I don't care about 32 beating Qs etc. if someone makes a call figuring IF he hits you have high cards and his hand is disguised. What bothers me is like the hand that occurred abotu an hour ago, to-wit: I5th hand at a low limit table - dealt QJ and I call a limp 2x BB raise in late position. Flop comes QJ4. I call the bet and turn comes A. Ok. I know it is "possible she now has a pair of aces and the other board card (4) paired her, i.e. she has As and 4s. AND it is "possible she has a set of 4s. SO I decide to do what I rarely do - push all in since she has a small chip stack. I have her covered. She calls and shows trip As. Now what bothers mw is this (for those who alwasy defend this crap) TThe ONLY card that could beat me on the turn was an Ace. This is a TWO OUTER card! Remember she raised only 2x BB in midddle pos. Maybe she is conservative or wanted to "slow play" her starting hand of As. Now IF this happend once in a while so that you just felt like "well that is poker anything can happen if you play enough hands" OK! I would not bitch. But this is a pattern on FTP. Over and over again this inexplicable dealing occurs. it is getting impossible to believe they don't juice the RNG in some way only a programmer with high technical background and training can understand. After all the bigger the hands and the more high cards the more donks wil play and the bigger pots will generate more rakes. It's real simple to see what the motive to cheat would be IF that is what is happening on FTP!

softblushcom
March 21, 2008
OK. What have I seen? Exactly what I was eluding to at the end of Part 2. Say I put $50 on the site. Over the course of a month I'll play a bunch of under $10 tournys, or some sit-n-gos. I'll hit the money light, I'll miss it, over and over, but the bottom line is that MY bottom line gets lower. Then, when I'm down to my last $10, I'll hit for about $50-100. Then I'll get $70-$80 of RIDICULOUS bad beats in a row. Tonight, I pushed with JJ (and I pushed 5xBB from the cutoff, unopened) and the BB called with A7 off....and caught QUAD 7's!!! I mean, are they for real? Last month, after I won a $3 KO Tourny ($72) I saw things like boat over boat, QQ losing to 23 (he caught a straight flush on the flop) and KK losing to 89 when 998 fell, just to name a few, and there were more than a couple of ONE OUTTERS that went against me. For those of you that are going to say "that's poker", look down at my first part of this posting. I'm not a poker rookie. I'm not a pro. ButI'm not a {complete) idiot, either. I know how to push, how to squeezeplay, and when to lay down when the board gets nasty. I'm talking about going in with the best hand, and having someone stay with junk that hits in an incredibly, STATISTICALLY IMPROBABLE way, time after time until EVERY DIME I WON IS TAKEN BACK. OK. I've vented. Some of you are nodding your heads. Some of you are laughing. Fair enough. But I'm agreeing with you guys that posted here: Full Tilt is rigged. And even though I don't have solid proof (e.g. the deal software,....not the random number generator, because that doesn't mean a thing,...the DEAL SOFTWARE is what someone needs to check out---ALL IT WOULD TAKE IS A VARIABLE THAT THEIR WEEKLY "software updates" MODIFY, TO CHANGE YOU FROM A SUCK-OUT-ER TO A SUCKED-OUT-ON-ER), I hope the anecdotal (<--sp?) evidence at least gets you thinging...and being wary. PEACE, GOOD LUCK AT THE TABLES, AND DON'T LET FULL TILT GET ALL YOUR $$$$.

softblushcom
March 21, 2008
OK. The business of online poker. Steve has it right, for the most part, but misses two important points. First,...Steve....you know how you were pointing out allllll the people that gripe about bad beats, but nobody brags about being the bad beat-er? Well, ever think that some (or most) of those bad beaters are Full Tilt employees or pokerbots that they employ? (And before you all start saying "no way"!!,....prove from what we all know that neither is the case,...and remember that a lack of proof that something doesn't exist isn't proof.) I'm going to take you on your words for the stats. While I didn't personally chart my online stats with Full Tilt, your numbers feel right, if you'll allow me the liberty of agreeing on a gut feeling, so to speak. (I've got a college level math and engineering background, I know stats, and yes, the play on the site DOES feel like it backs up your numbers, about 15% off from what would fall from a real (honest) deck of cards. The other business point: How do these sites make their money? From the rake, or the tourny fees (when you play a $10+1 tourny, they get that $1). So, it's in their interest to slide the money back and forth: to let you win $100, then lose it,...then win it again. Because every time you get into a tourny or play at a table, they get a piece. And if you win a bunch, then lose a lot, then win a bunch, they just keep taking their little piece. Add to that this interesting point: it's in their best interests to let the idiots win. Because they're the ones throwing around more cash. The more they let some mulehole suckout on a good player, the MORE OF THAT GOOD PLAYER'S MONEY the mulehole pays out in the long run. (Sorry, mulehole=donkey=things I shall not say in a nice place like this.) So, yes, it's in a poker site's interests to do exactly what you all notice: let you win about as much as you pay in, then suck it right back out from you. Amazing, ain't it?

softblushcom
March 21, 2008
OK, I just found this site by typing "Full Tilt Rigged" into Google. And why would I do that?---->I'm glad you asked, and I'm going to tell you. But first, to stevethe4th and sparris, to name a few, THANK YOU. Thank you for helping reassure myself I'm not crazy. I'll try and keep this short, but I'm PO-ed at Fullt Tilt, so here's the deal. First, I've been playing online for over three years (Pokerroom, Pokerstars, FullTilt), as well as live in Atlantic City (Borgata, baby!). I've placed online, I've made final tables, I even got into a couple of WPT events (missed the money there). The point is, I don't suck at poker. I'm not a pro, but I know how to play in large tournys and at one table sit-n-gos, and I am COMPLETELY CONVINVED THAT FULL TILT is rigged. I liked stevethe4th's format on his post, so part two will be my thoughts on the business of poker, then part three what Full Tilt is up to.

rmil
March 16, 2008
akim u need to check your post, specifically the first hand you mention. I see 5 aces :).

akim29
March 13, 2008
so when i first deposited, i made about 200 bucks. cashed out and left 100 in there. i started losing my bankroll on some crazy rivers but i thought, well, that's poker for ya. was up on chips 18k to 6k in a sit and go. had pocket aces and took him all in with A2. flop comes AA2, turn 2, river 2. next hand, pocket 88 against J10. decided to just check it. flop comes 6,7,8. wow trip 8s. i go all in just to avoid anything dumb happening. he calls and wouldn't you know, a 9 comes on the river completing his straight. these are just the ones that are fresh in my mind, but it's been happening all fuckin week. i really do feel like i'm being set up when i get a good hand. so set up that i looked up full tilt rigged on google and found this site. CRAZY!!!!!

gmoney8400
March 12, 2008
As the days pass I'm believing more and more that fulltilt is rigged. I had recently put $100 into my account and doubled it to $220. I then withrdrew my initial $100 and then I lost everything. I'm no pro, but everycoin flip went against me along with bad beats galore. Anyway, does anyone else notice a relation between account size and bad beats?

sparris
full tilt sh*t March 12, 2008
to steve the 4th and others, at first i thought i was just paranoid but i began to collect the details of all-in bets. i have no doubt that full tilt handicaps the weaker hand to keeps the masses engaged. if the cards behaved correctly 70 percent of their customer base would disappear. i collect 8, 10 12, or more bad beats on a weekend. it' crazy. i suspect there is no oversight. they can do what they want. i really enjoy the game. i have no dillusions regarding fame and fortune but full tilt is definitely rigged. i am not a pro but i know the difference between a bad play and losing to irregular card dynamics. if anyone has any confidence with any on line site i would like to hear it.

stevethe4th
Part Two+++++ March 11, 2008
++++++This is page two of my post++++ Be sure to read the previous post first!! Closing Thoughts……………….. Some things to think about; First, my study indicates that I do not win as many of these situations as I should. For this to be the case, and for all of us that lose more than we should, that means other players are winning more than they should……RIGHT?? If that is the case, DOES ANYONE WANT TO ADMIT that they win more….IE….they deliver more bad beats then they take??? I always here people complaining they lose more, but I have NEVER once heard a player admit that they give more bad beats than they take....yet mathematically there have to be some players that do give more bad beats than they take…… Some people have mentioned to me that my study is not taking into account how many times you win those situations when there isn’t an ALL IN SHOWDOWN. Well, that is easy to address. If the opponent doesn’t call, you win 100% of the time. To be serious, my study only analyzed the ALL IN situations because those results can be accurately tabulated, and it would make sense that if there was going to be unethical practices….this would be a good indicator of it. Also, I analyzed literally hundreds of hands in each instance, so it is statistically a good representation of the LONG RUN in poker. That’s all for now, please let me know what your experiences and thoughts are. Thanks, and GOOD LUCK!! Steve T>

stevethe4th
Please Read!! Very Interesting..let Me Know Your Experiences March 11, 2008
EVERYONE READ THIS +++ PAGE ONE OF TWO+++ SEE MY OTHER POST AS WELL..apparently I write too much and needed two posts to write everything I would like to know what you think, so please feel free to write me ....................................................................................................... Okay I have really tried to be patient and avoid the rigged talk about Full Tilt, figuring 'oh that's just poker'.....however, I decided to start keeping track of situations where the odds just are not RIGHT!! Take the time to read this; the first part is a brief background about my playing experience, then a part about the business of online poker, and finally my trial regarding the odds not being correct on FUll TILT. Playing Experience: a lot of live poker for years now. Also, online at Full Tilt and PokerStars. I have played in thousands of online tourneys..mainly sit-and gos..from 9-45 people..All totaling about 40,000 hands online. The Business of Poker: This is very straight forwarded. It is all to make more money. How do you do that? 1.) Get more players. 2.) Offer more games. 3.) Use fast moving blinds..in particular turbos. The very simple logic here is items 1..2...and 3 all = more buy ins = more money for the site. Now, let's imagine this for a while. How else could you make more money if you owned a poker website? Easy answer: Keep the action moving. How do you do that? Artificially increase the rank of hands dealt, and or the frequency with which they are dealt. MY TRIAL: So here is my trial. I decided to keep track of one very specific situation that comes up all the time in online poker...THE ALL IN SHOVE CONTESTS!! Here is why I chose to track this data: 1.) It is very easy to calculate the true odds. 2.) It is very easy to calculate the outcome. 3.) Items 1-2 make it very easy to calculate the % at the end. 4.) Easy to keep track of cause it is almost always two people all in (simplifies the math too) 5.) This is where the game can be 'artificially' sped up, and thus offers the window of opportunity if indeed a website does want to RIG THINGS! So, I set out to track every all in hand that I played, and compare the results to what the mathematical probabilites should be. As you can imagine if you are even GOOGLING for this forum....the results did not look good for FULL TILT!! Here is what I found in a nut shell: When I was a favorite 80-20% I only won about 62% -18% differential When I was a favorite 70-30% I only won about 58% -12% differential When I was a 60-40% favorite I only won about 52% -8% differential When I was a 55-45% favorite I only won about 48% -7% differential Finally, in the so called 50-50 coin flips I only won about 42% -8% differential By the way, my study was over hundreds of these ALL IN situations, making it statistically viable. Conclusions: 1.) I must have really bad luck......??(However, think about this: for me to have bad luck..that means some other players must have good luck..more on this in my next post) 2.) Something else to think about: I do not ever recall once over any period of time 'defying' the odds. By that I mean winning more than I should...ANYONE???? 3.) No matter how good of a player you are, there is no way to turn a GOOD profit when the odds aren't correct. (Please note: I actually do turn a profit..about 17% ROI which is considered good) I do believe though if the average player has the same reported odds differential that I do, you will LOSE MONEY!! ++++++I am running out of room here so please see my next post++++++++++

KobraPatrol
March 8, 2008
This site is sor rigged and dont even bother. I too could predict what will outcome be some 50% of the time, not precise but will the best hand on the flop get screwed on turn and river and with what. I made it up $100 playing like that and then they put me on "Missed flop" routine. Here is how it goes, I get A-A, and if i do hit A on the flop it is couple with straight and flush draw, ofcourse there is ALWAYS 2 guys which have straight and ofcourse they are allin on the flop. Other thing is that i get A-Ks then it comes A-Ks on the flop guess what other guy is holding, and yes if i dont get screwed by straight i get screwed by flush. TOO MANY flushes lose vs. set on flop, straights lose against flushes on river, and dont be surprised if youre K-K or A-A full house lose hand to quads. RAKE is plain robbery, they take 10% of it, at least at low limits. Havent played at higher limits, someone mentioned 20%. SUPPORT is something about everyone is certain to exist but noone saw it. And if you do get some response (after couple of days) it is something like this "We are momentarily busy resolving something else so and your issue need longer time to be resolved and please be patient" after youre patient more than enough then (1 week) they answer that "They are sorry and that it will be resolved soon, and 3-4 days after complaint you receive answer which actually doesnt tell you anything. "We assure you that everything is OK." ANOTHER THING recent disconections which occured at Full Tilt when lots of players was screwed, I have looked at Hand History (2 of them) to see how did the hand ended because entire table got disconnected and ofcourse nothing but at least it was the hand i played there were statements that i got disconnected. After emailing support about this, same procedure everytime, i get those hands histories after some 12 days. I look at them and it is stated that i folded that hand because of timeout not disconnection mentioned. NOW im searching through hand histories on my HDD and gues what THEY ERASED THOSE HANDS FROM MY HAND HISTORIES. Nothing completely gone even the hands that were played after. Another interesting thing is that most of people playing there thinks that Howard Lederer started and is the owner of Full Tilt Poker, NOT TRUE, H. Lederer only helped design it. Owner of FTP is "Kolyma corporation AVV", Google for Kolyma term and youll find it funny in some sick sort of the way that we are actually in Kolyma, at least they are treating us like we are.

thematt
March 3, 2008
ok so i have been paying attention the last 3 days to hands and everything and listen to this!! i have been able to predict whats going to happen almost 3 out of 4 times i do it that is horrible that i can tell when there going to hit something to take someone out.. also i noticed who ever is big stack early on n a tourny is screwed they will lose// and today i played 3 tournys in a row lost first withh AA preflop/ second with KK wow/ third with AK aginst J8 lol wouldnt you know it that is ridiculous

FlyingSafe
March 3, 2008
I play a lot at FTP, and I also feel that the hands that are 25% to win preflop, have a much higher winning percentage when going allin preflop. I wonder if anyone has software to tabulate hand results over a big sample and determine if the site is doing something wrong. I don't know what motive they would have to skew the odds as that would be easy to detect if someone had the time to go through thousands of hand histories and verify if the results are close. I guess they could be trying to move money from one group of players to another. Perhaps USA players are more likely to remove their money from the site because of legislation. That might be incentive to move money from them to other players. Or perhaps it brings more players in to reward new players. I really don't know, but would sure like to hear from people who have studied huge samples of hands to see if the suck-out percentage is plausible. A good place to start would be to just count all the Ax allin preflop against another Ax, and see how often the best hand wins. I think over a thousand such hands would have to be tabulated to get a usable sample though.

rmil
February 24, 2008
I'd like to address both nitemare6 and AmericanDrifter. First off, nitemare6, your example of being beat by AQ with KQ is not a bad beat, nor is it anything out of the ordinary. It is nearly the same as getting beat with a pair of queens King kicker when someone has pair of queens Ace kicker. Anytime u have trips with a paired board, you are always in danger of losing to a higher kicker or a full house. AmericanDrifter, while I agree that people who post a single example of a bad beat and then call the site rigged lack sufficient evidence to back up their claim, saying that "bad beats are more memorable" does nothing to prove that certain sites aren't rigged, or aren't rigged to cheat certain players at the very least. Yes, bad beats do happen, but they happen in a certain proportion to the number of times a favored hand should win, depending on the number of outs. If this proportion does not hold up, there is something wrong with the site. I am not a statistics major or even a math major, so I do not have the education nor the time to pore through my entire hand history and offer the proof that Full Tilt is bogus. However, I am smart enough to know that people with 4 outs or less on the flop should win less than 20% of the time when the money goes all in. It was extremely clear to me during my run at Full Tilt that this was not the case. I was losing to people with ridiculous draws far more than I was winning. All sites are NOT the same. To date, I have made money playing low stakes no limit at Paradise Poker, Bodog, and Players Only. The only two times I have ever cashed out at Full Tilt was 1.) after I placed in a tournament and 2.) after I decided I would never play at the site again. Do you mean to tell me that the players at the low stakes tables (.05 .10 - .25 .50) at Full Tilt are so much better that my strategy holds up on all those other sites but not there? Many Full Tilt enthusiasts like to use the "tinfoil hat" argument and claim paranoia among the "losers" who think the site is rigged. To those I say this: aliens at Area 52 is a conspiracy theory. A business outside of U.S. jurisdiction cheating American players out of their money is far from a strech to imagine. If you still find it hard to wrap your head around the fact that such deception is possible, here you go: 1. Enron 2. Martha Stewart 3. Watergate 3. Watergate In conclusion, I'm not slamming online poker. I love the site I'm playing at now and will continue to play there and (most likely) win. However, I refuse to stand idly by and say nothing about a site (Full Tilt) that I feel has truly ripped me off. I will tell everyone I know (and those I don't) that playing at Full Tilt is a dangerous bet. R

mrkromer
Ha Ha February 19, 2008
Hmm, so AQ held up against KQ? Incredible. Never seen that before.

nitemare6
February 19, 2008
I love these guys who defend these online poker sites with their set-up improbable hands over and over again, that albeit they occur sometimes in real poker, happen far too often on FT so as to be at ODDS with the odds. The most improbable stuff happens on Full Tilt, and yes, the motive is to create action for their rakes. Today I am palying all afternoon and doing well playing decent poker. I get QK and the flop comes QQx. At the turn I push all in after the ONE other player in hand bets 3xs the pot. Of course he shows a Q (the ONE remaining Q in the alleged non-rigged cyber deck) and has an A kicker. Sorry but this is rigged poker. Now we can always rationalize that maybe I should not have bet so much since my opponent had just made a large bet on "something", but there was only ONE Q left in the deck and only ONE f-king card that could beat my K kicker!!! So I am not supposed to bet my hand. AND, of course, Full RIGGED Tilt managed to deal that one hand and thereby sucked out a large amount of my hard-earned profits. This site is crooked in my opinion and I don't see how anyone can play on here for profit or fun!

AmericanDrifter
February 18, 2008
You people are all paranoid. Full Tilt is no different than any other site. Over the last few years I have played at Bodog, Pokerstarts, UltimateBet, and Full Tilt. The one thing they all have in common is players who say "this site is so rigged" or "this is the most rigged site". The fact is that bad beats happen and they are far more memorable than favored hands holding. While a collection of antedotal observations about bad calls being paid off can create the illusion of a scam, it should not be considered statistical proof. Over a period of time, the cream rise to the top. The best players win over time, not because the site is rigged, but because they make the right decisions. Bad beats are frustrating, but getting your chips in the middle with the best is the only way to win.

nitemare6
February 14, 2008
Yep ever since 2003-2004 I thought Full RIGGED Tilt was a scam, so I quit playing for a few years. Recently I started doing play chips. Then I put a few bucks on the site this week, and sure enough, the same b.s. began again. Tonight I was in 90 player SNG and went in with AK. I did not raise but called a raise from A9 who was all in. Sure enough, albeit I was 87/23% favorite to win, of course on Full RIGGED Tilt a 9 hit the flop. Ok I though**t it happens. A few minutes later I started playing low stakes hold em. I won a larger pot by bluffing after a pre flop raise. In fact I win more on Full Tilt via bluffing than by playing the best hands. Well I get AKos -and don't raise pre flop like I would in a live game most of the time. I call a later 3xs BB raise. Well, QxA hit. I check and bet comes in form 3xs pot. I raise and he goes all in. He has AJ. I got him. AK with this flop should win 4xs more than AJ. But being Full RIGGED Tilt of course a J hits the turn. A 15/1 shot hits. I could have gotten an A, K or paired the Q or other flopped card and won. This is just one recent example of what happens all the f-king time on this scam site. How any pro can make any claim that this site represents real poker is lying or else he is getting a different RNG for his seat at a table. In just 3 days I have seen such b.s. that mirrors the crap that happened back in 2003-2004. I can't wait until the US Congress finally decides to regulate these crooks. By the way I don't really like AK that much online but I will play it obviously. The problem with this scam poker site is that they have a RNG that has never been tested or varified that it is NOT set-up to create bigger pots for their financial gain. Further they allow improbable hands with low outs to happen FAR TOO OFTEN. How this site attracts so many players is beyond me. Maybe there are a lot of losers out there that border on compulsive gamblers and they keep coming back and losing money due to this random reinforcement that Full RIGGED Tilt rewards poor players with, i.e. giving them cards when they should have lost, and gotten spanked for crap play. These pros on this scam site have lost all respect from me. Good luck to anyone who throws money away. Oh yeah, one final comment this site flops WAY TOO MANY Aces and Ks AND it deals WAY TOO MANY flushes. Its almost comical! In fact it is, it's a JOKE!

danieltx
February 14, 2008
Your first point, #1, is incorrect. When using a packet sniffer, you'll find that the FullTiltPoker data is sent on port 443. Port 443 is a computer's Secure Socket Layer (SSL) port, and if you think it's something that's easily cracked, you'd better avoid ANY online credit card usage. Today, all credit card purchases, online banking, etc. use SSL protection.

vagabond69
February 13, 2008
you guys ARE SO RIGHT! this is the MOST rigged out of them all. I lost all respect for the poker pros who are affiliated with this site. I had so many nut flushes and straights on the flop destroyed by a set that would turn into full house. this site is just completely BULLSHlT!!

vagabond69
February 13, 2008
you guys ARE SO RIGHT! this is the MOST rigged out of them all. I lost all respect for the poker pros who are affiliated with this site. I had so many nut flushes and straights on the flop destroyed by a set that would turn into full house. this site is just completely BULLSHlT!!

fulltillbroke
February 12, 2008
Lost 280$ just tonight, check this out, all pre-flop: QQ twice - once guy called with K10 and gets 2 more 10's, second time guy calls 70$ with 8-3??? and gets 8-3???? On AJ twice - can't remember what happened but once guy got straight, on AQ suited guys calls with K2 offsuited and gets flush, guy tries bluff with 8-5 all-in when he was almost out and beats my KK with straight, lost with AA to QQQ - ok that was normal call by the guy and he got a bit lucky, and similar to this, guy calls AA with 99 and gets 9 - again not bad call and a bit lucky. So, i've lost 8 out of 9 times with best hand, and there was some very suspicious calls like these guys don't care about their money or there's something really fishy. I won't even mention some crazy straights and flushes when no one raised the pot, but that doesn't matter, loosing 8/9 best hands in one night DOES.

hizzamhock
February 1, 2008
Well I probably look like a fool after my previous post, but after reading the other posts and looking at what was happening at the tables, I have decided to cashout while I am ahead. The thing that really tipped it for me was a hand at a pot limit hold em table. I have pasted the hand history here. Full Tilt Poker Game #5057139893: Table Old Park - $0.05/$0.10 - Pot Limit Hold'em - 17:41:21 ET - 2008/01/30 bigfranky2727 raises to $0.35 Johnny Raggs calls $0.25 *** FLOP *** [Ac Qc 2s] Johnny Raggs checks bigfranky2727 bets $0.75 Johnny Raggs raises to $1.50 bigfranky2727 raises to $5.25 Johnny Raggs calls $0.90, and is all in bigfranky2727 shows [9h Kc] Johnny Raggs shows [Ad Th] Uncalled bet of $2.85 returned to bigfranky2727 *** TURN *** [Ac Qc 2s] [Kd] *** RIVER *** [Ac Qc 2s Kd] [9s] bigfranky2727 shows two pair, Kings and Nines Johnny Raggs shows a pair of Aces bigfranky2727 wins the pot ($5) with two pair, Kings and Nines Johnny Raggs is sitting out So a player pushes all in on the flop with no pair and no draw, and spikes 2 pair on the turn and river? Very suspicious, like he knew it was coming. And I cant tell you how many backdoor straights and flushes I've seen here. Madness. Im so done with this site.

Docholiday
January 27, 2008
I,ve been playing poker for bout 3 years and have experienced all types of bad beats and bad runs, but if my bankroll was a casino, I'd be sending the boys downstairs to ask fulltilt to leave the premises. It started off as a bad run but within 4 hrs I racked up 4 50/1's, 20 5/1's and 10 3/1's. Broke and miserable I tried to straighten my head and bankroll out. Next morning,first hand 25/1 bad beat,racked up about as many as the previous day. Today 1 50/1, 4 10/1's and 5 3/1's and ive only played for an hour!!! I was so sure I was being mugged that i googled full tilt rigged and here i am reading similar stories. Taking a run of bad beats on the chin is what being a good gambler is all about but so is realising that 3 days of this many bad beats is near mathmatically impossible and this site needs to be investigated.

rmil
January 23, 2008
I am a low stakes no limit player, and I have played at many sites including Paradise Poker, Bodog, Poker Stars, and Full Tilt. Before the U.S. enforcement involving internet wagering, I built up a bankroll of 1500$ at Paradise Poker and cashed out when the site closed to U.S. Players. After this, I tried Bodog and Pokerstars, and after bad experiences at Pokerstars I made Bodog my new online poker home. I won about 2000$ at Bodog, but had to leave because I was having problems with payout checks taking up to 2 months to receive. Then I moved onward to Full Tilt. Yes, this site is the most ridiculous scam in the history of online poker. But besides the "rigged" conspiracy theory, there are a number of other factors that contribute to this site being a huge rip-off. Let me enlighten you: 1. First off, Full Tilt charges an exorbitantly high rake. I never made it past the 10$ tables there (on other sites I increased my bankroll enough to play the 50$ tables) and I'll tell you why: the rake at the 10$ tables is 20%. Even playing like a pro, you will probably never beat a rake as high as this. 2. The majority of the players at the low stakes tables buy in for a tiny amount and gamble it on a whim. I remember sitting at numerous 10$ no limit ring games and most of the players have 3$ or less. They will reraise you their stack preflop at the drop of the hat, and it is often impossible to know if your QQ or JJ is good. These players are here to gamble, not to play poker. 3. Lastly, there is definitely something fishy about the cards that come out. I had a similar experience at Full Tilt that I did at Poker Stars: beware any site where your sets are consistently beat by higher sets, and 2-4 out draws hit with stunning regularity against made hands. I'm not going to go into specifics about how I think the game is rigged because I simply don't know. However, I have taken the advice of players who tell you what you should do when you think a site is rigged: I got out. I now play at a different site (PlayersOnly Poker) and I can safely say that I am winning at Poker again. When I have the best hand after an all-in, I will occasionally lose to a draw, but for every time I lose there are about 3-10 times that I win. This is the way the odds say poker should be. My advice to all of you: stay away from Full Tilt Poker.

hizzamhock
January 8, 2008
I used to play at pokerroom and hollywood poker before the US ban, and since I am a mac user, I switched to full tilt and as far as I know that is really my only option. Its funny because when I played at pokerroom and hollywood people used to say the same crap about those sites. Its so easy to blame bad beats on programming, but I have yet to see anyone prove that something unethical is going on at full tilt. Yes I have lost some hands to bad beats there and some were runner runner and one or two outers, but that is part of the game. Being the favorite does not gaurantee that you will win, and even long shot draws come in sometimes. Yes there are more bad beats online. Why? When you play live, you drive to the place with your money and you are at one table with nothing to distract you. Online, you can have the tv on and be playing at 4 or more tables. People do play looser online and you have to accept that bad beats will happen because some players will chase any draw. Its crazy but true, especially at the lower stakes. This site is well designed and offers a wide variety of games from low to high limits. Lots of tournaments, sit and gos and ring game action. I know that alot of people will always be convinced that online poker is somehow rigged, and I cant prove that it is not. But I think that if you focus on improving your game instead of conspiracy theories, you will be better served. Do you really think that full tilt would risk their business by cheating its players? All it would take would be for one disgruntled employee to spill the beans. I dont think so. They make plenty of money from the rake and tournament fees, and they really dont care who wins or loses. I feel the pain of those of you who have lost money to bad beats. In fact, no one likes bad beats, thats why they are called "bad." But as long as you are playing within your bankroll and managing your money correctly, it wont bankrupt you. Never play with more than 5 percent of your bankroll and you will be fine. You may have to step down a level sometimes. It happens to everyone that a string of bad beats kicks your butt, but you can chalk that up to variance. If loose goofball players never hit their 2 outers they would stop playing. I love having these types of players at my table. They may suck out from time to time, but in the long run they will have the worst of it.

braden
December 24, 2007
This sight is completely rigged imo. I've never experienced beats like this live. On fulltilt when I get my money in with the best hand and a 75% favorite to win the hand I am outdrawn by 2 to 3 outers 8/10 times. This sight needs to be investigated, but by who? They can do whatever they want and laugh all the way to the bank there is no one to stop them. You simply have to take their word that it is legit. I couldnt begin to tell you how many bad beats I have taken to the point where it makes no sense at all that people are actually profitable on this sight. Last night for instance I flopped top pair with A-10 after raising preflop in position, the guy to my right re raises me all in with 3-6 of clubs for the flush draw, I actually put him on a higher flush draw. Needless to say he ended up making a gutshot on turn and completing his str8 on the river not even hitting his flush. You would say ok w/e that happens, and I would agree only if it didn't happen CONSTANTLY. In a recent tourney I was in 3rd place out of about 700 and had someone try to bluff me out of a pot while I was holding QQ he had 7-2 offsuit!!! After completely missing the flop the turn brought the seven and the river brought the duece, I wasn't surprised, I was still not doing bad. Soon enough there was 11 of us left, and I picked up A-A with the blinds huge and antes big I had to move in considering I was fairly low stacked. I was insta called by 10-10 and of course he spiked a 10 on the river eliminating me in 11th. GG fultilt I hope everyone sponsored by this sight lives life lavishly in the bahamas enjoying all of our hard earned money that they are stealing. I am done with Fulltilt poker heading back to the local card room.

NukMasta
December 16, 2007
Wow, do i agree with most of these posters. This site is garbage. I dont know the scheme that they are doing but its something. I think its a dynamic river card and also they reward new players. But it doesnt matter. They are doing something, that is the point. Alot of this has been starting becasue of the US ban i would assume. Regardless of my thoughts, i am another player who has been struck by all this garbage people have been playing for. I am not a pro, but i CAN play put it that way. Ive also been through so much shit in my life that I have no doubt that these sites arent fair. I can only speak for full tilt tho. Check my stats NukMasta1 how do I go from winning and placing like that too not even placing. Bad luck? i think not. It makes perfect sense what some of these people have to say. 1. IT IS A PROGRAM WRITTEN BY MAN!!!!!! ANYTHING MAN-MADE I DONT TRUST, INCLUDING THE BIBLE AT TIMES. 2. SINCE THE US BAN THESE SITES ARE LOSING TONS OF MONEY! THE US BAN IS BECAUSE REAL CASINOS ARE LOSING TOO MUCH MONEY TOO THESE "ONLINE CASINOS" THE ONLINE CASINOS NEED TO MAKE UP SOMEHOW! 3. REMEMBER ANOTHER THING- MONEY RULES THIS EARTH, ITS ALL ABOUT MONEY!. Those are just a few general reasons. I like what that one guy said, "why take 1 mill when u can make it 10 mil". What ive been doing lately, is when someone makes a shit call and wins on river, I check their stats. 9 out 10 times they are new too full tilt. try it yourself its crazy. A couple other things....why are bots allowed? why is there no rules against bots? Im just happy i came up 100 bucks on full-tilt and cashed out before they could get any more. FUCK YOU FULL-TILT! THANKS FOR THE FREE $$$. But it all comes down to this......Dont trust anything you dont see for yourself, including GOD ;) (im probaly going to hell now ;P ). Dont trust the news, bible andything....THIS STUFF IS MAN-MADE

Iceman77
December 16, 2007
I just busted out of a tournament on FTP w/ pocket 8's. Blinds were 10/30, I raise from the cut off to 120. 2 people call and the 3rd goes all-in over the top of me after calling the initial 30. Hard to put him on a strong hand when he limps in. I call the all-in as does the other 2 to my left. Cards exposed, all-in raiser shows A,J os, me pocket 8's, guy to my left shows 10,9 os, guy to his left shows A,J os. So as you can see preflop I'm loving it, having better than 30% chance to win against 3 other opponents w/ a medium pair. Out comes the flop 7,10,J to no surprise the flop hit everybody but the pocket pairs. Talk about sick. After losing I went to WPT.com and plugged the cards into their odds calculator to see the stats, and that's where I was shocked to see the RNG on FTP overcome the 1.5% for the guys holding A,J to split the pot. Now I wouldn't necessarily call this a bad beat, but it is b.s. considering 2 hands previous this one I saw the same thing in reverse like it should be. Pocket J's against 2 people holding A,8, me be one of them and as it should the Jacks held up. Can someone tell me why it happens like this? No, I can. Every sense I slammed the tech support on FTP.com my run of bad luck went even further south. Coincidence, I think not. I totally agree with brebug001. It seems a little odd that your luck can change so quickly after communicating with tech support. To me it's obvious that the techs can manipulate what's going on at any given chance. It wouldn't be to hard to attach a flag to a player's profile that signals the RNG to either help or hinder depending on the command issued by someone in charge.

brebug001
poker sites rigged December 14, 2007
I justed wanted to add an experience about party poker. I played here before i went to full tilt. I made a call to customer support asking them if there site was rigged and how it worked. I explained to them how I do well in live poker and have won several tourneys. Explained I didn't feel something was right, because I think I'm better then how things have been turning out with the crazy calls and bad beats. I was very polite and had a rather long conversation with him. I entered a $50 rebuy tourney after we hung up. Funny how things changed, I won the tourney for over $5,000. Into the morning i'm still playing. Now i'm on 10/20 n/l table. I go all in with a AA against JJ for over $1000. The other guy caught his J and had trips. The site paid me the cash and I was on the lossing end. The other guy was cussing and accusing of being a cheat. I explained how I have no idea how it happened. He said he was going to report me, and I never heard about it. After that I cashed out. I insisted on never playing there again, but the urge was to much, so I began to deposit money back into. I went on the worst run of cards and bad beats known to man. Something is definatly wrong with these poker sites. If you have had good experiences and feel different, keep playing or cash out and then retry. You will be right here posting the same things.

brebug001
December 14, 2007
I couldn't agree more with this thread. I have been playing on full tilt for about a year now. The closest casino is about an hour and a half away, so I felt full tilt is easier for some games and nice size tourneys. The bad beats that I see do happen in live games, but the amount of times in any sng are crazy. I was always a little leary of what happens, because I never see so many crazy hands in live play in the small amount of time. I decided to search around tonight to see if I find anything regarding online cheating. I stumbled on this and couldn't believe what I was reading. When I lose to a bad beat or lose money in a sitting, I never complained. I felt that I was playing bad and needed to work on my game. This site has made me a worse player in live games because I never want to fold, thinking the turn and river will always give me what I need, and calling with crap cards. Some how they always pop up on this site regardless of what cards are in play. Earlier tonight I was chip leader in a 20 sng after doubling up with four eights against a full house(HAPPENS ALL THE TIME). Next hand i'm playing pocket kings against 6 4 off suit, 10 10 5 come on the flop. The turn is a 6 and of course the river is a 6. Minutes later on another table I was chip leader with 4200 in chips and on the button suited A Q. seat before goes all in with 1025 chips so I call. BB goes all in 1075 in chips. Cards show over and they both have A J. Flop comes 5 4 8 turn 2 and of course river is a J. Minutes later, same table I get busted out(NO WAY, FULLHOUSE AGAINST FOUR OF A KIND). Don't get me wrong I have cashed out for some good size checks over the last year, but for the most part very little skill is required and I think the winning hand goes to the person the site has pre determined. If you still continue to keep depositing into this scam good luck, because that is what you will be playing with. Throw any skill or poker experience out the window and play with gods given luck. PEACE

maad70
December 13, 2007
I was 100% right: strabismus! Checked the log and found this: *** SHOW DOWN *** u------- shows [6h 6s] a full house, Sixes full of Jacks maad70 mucks u------- wins the pot ($8.55) with a full house, Sixes full of Jacks maad70 is sitting out *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $9 | Rake $0.45 Board: [9d Js 6d 3c Jc] Seat 1: A------ folded on the Turn Seat 2: c-------- didn't bet (folded) Seat 3: W---------- didn't bet (folded) Seat 4: u------- (button) showed [6h 6s] and won ($8.55) with a full house, Sixes full of Jacks Seat 5: S-------- (small blind) folded on the River Seat 6: maad70 (big blind) mucked [3d 3h] - a full house, Threes full of Jacks Guess I was too tired to see correctly.

Zenofex
December 12, 2007
I've been playing on so many online sites now, and dedicated alot of time to spot when the random engine is fair or not. Guys, THERE IS NO FAIR ONLINE POKER. By this I ofcourse compare it to live poker. There is simply just to many bad beats, it is UNREAL that Turn and Rivers hit not only one hand but two hands. Online poker does not apply to your knowledge about poker and how good you are at calculating odds, it applys more to Turn and river cards - reason - Turn and river cards almost ALWAYS beat the odds. Lately i've been playing on FTP, this site is definetly NO DIFFERENT. LEANR it people online poker beats all odds, and YOU CANNOT compare it to real life poker. Before i started on this site I had confidence that it might not be rigged, but this site beats the odds as all the others. My biggest dissapointment is that I really thought the pro's had more integrity and love for the game, to let this go on, but i guess its all about the $$$$$ as on the other sites. Last NOTE. All you pokersite owners out there, PLEASE understand, its is not that you earn money, you have to, to run a buisness. But for crying out loud, give us some real odds and sort out your engines and let people out there enjoy real poker. You will earn money anyway, maby not as many but you will have the support from the users. Give back poker and stop sucking out people that try to earn a few $ Good luck at the tables all, you will need it.

maad70
December 12, 2007
I had a weird experience yesterday I just want to share: I played on a 6-handed sng (limit, 0.25/0.50) table with pocket threes; the flop showed 9-J-6, then a 3c on the turn and Js on the river (not 100% sure about the colour). After some raise/reraise action through out the hand I was all-in (not much, ~$3.60). I'm not much more than a novice, but to me, this looks like a full house. In the showdown my opponent showed 9-6 an won! I was so p....d that I didn't hit the "last hand" button or took a screenshot, so I can't even proof to myself wether I was suffering from strabismus, took my glasses of without noticing or what ever, but could it be, that the cards I was seeing where not the same that were dealt? I think I read in the chat box something about "nines full of sixes", but I'm even less sure about that. I know how stupid this sounds and since I don't have any proof, I will pay much more attention next time. Did anybody ever experienced or heard of something like this?

Iceman77
December 11, 2007
It's so nice to finally find a site where people agree w/ me on all the b.s. that occurs on FTP. I tried posting the same type of complaints on their forums and I tell you what, most of the responses I got were far from sympathetic. Instead I was called a sore loser or an idiot for getting my chips in the middle w/ the best hand, and constantly getting called by hands that should of never seen the flop and losing. I have noticed a pattern in the tournaments though. It seems that the random number generator has a tendacy to favor the player who goes all-in first in a multiway pot. Also I've noticed that literally the worst starting hand wins more often than any others combined. After numerous "bad beats", "suck outs", or whatever you want to call them I've found that nothing beats the real thing. I'm just glad I have the opportunity to play in live games on a nightly basis outside of the casino scene. My advice to everyone is to save yourself a few anerisms and early hair loss and leave FTP to the donkeys and pros, as it seems obvious the pros have the site on lock down. Makes sense to me, I mean why would the pros want fair competition, sounds like bad business to me for those who make a living at it. I just wish I had the revenue to create my own little "fish" bowl that I could make weekly withdrawals from to bankroll in the WSOP.

alzee
December 6, 2007
I have been playing of full tilt for about 18 months now, I mostly play heads up and the odd tournament but I am planning on never using this site again after my bankroll is used up... and that won't take long either... I am a professional player but this site is designed to entice amateurs to invest by rewarding bad play... forget about all this full tilt is rigged stuff, it's not to that extent where the problem lies, basically, the card generator is designed to deal out cards depending on who is playing at any given time, and deals cards accordingly, ie... the big all in hands and the magic river card.. proof of this lies in the way the card generator deals out the river card that may make somebody's flush, or full house, or str8, but where the scam lies is in that magic river card makes the hand for both players, an example would be the 8 of diamonds making a flush for one person but almost always it will also make the str8 for the opponent.. this creates action, so full tilt makes money. this very rarely happens in live games where this situation occurs, the river card being the vital card for both players. My advice to you if you decide to play online poker for money is don't.. full stop... you will invariably find yourself stressed and annoyed... Play live games for low stakes, at least there the deck doesn't know what card it wants to deal next the whole rigged issue is this, it's just people move from the real issue and complain about bad beats instead of the fact that the card generator is far from random.

Jamesrpw
December 1, 2007
Any online site would screw up your live game because you don't get to read the people only the betting pattern and live games the hands aren't programmed I was in a tourny thursday on full tilt and kept getting almost every hand twice in a row and both times didn't hit on the board.

gooks69
November 30, 2007
Hi, ive been reading the forum and discovered this topic about full tilt poker being rigged! I have been playing on the site for about 2-3 months and out of the 3 poker online sites i have played " Pokerheaven, William Hill poker and Party poker" This is by far the best site. I believe many people who play online poker expect to WIN, WIN , WIN, or win loads in a small period of time. Im 19 years old and i am from London, England. Im a student so you wont find me on the big stake tables, BUT i have made a nice tidy profit for myself just playing $10 - $33 sit n go's and Heads up. You can check it you wont on sharkscope gooks69 is the username. just under $800 at this time i wrote this post. (better up than down i say!) The way i make my profit is by simply setting myself a daily limit that i would like to win, for me i usually will cash in on around $50 - 80 a day, £30 - 40. But if i lose i will never spend more than $50 in a day. Once i win, i will then use FT's cool application where you can self exclude yourself from the real money tables. I do this incase i get bored later in the day and try to log back in and try to win more money ( this is where a lot of people lose!!!) trying to win more, but when they lose, they try to regain the original money back, but then tilt sets in and you could get yourself in trouble. When i self exclude my self, i always do it for 24 hours.You have the option to exlude yourself anything upto 180 days! But once you have accepted the exclusion this is irreversble and you CANNOT cancel it untill your exclusion runs out! This is good as the money usualy has time to settle in my money bookers acount. But for the bad beat side, YES you do see more than the average live game, but i believe if your a good player, You should still be able to make a profit eventually, EVEN if you do get a bad beat, i have had loads on full tilt, but becasue of the stakes i play, it does little damage to my bankroll, i mean ffs i have lost when me and another player both had pocket Aces, and he hit four hearts for a flush! But my best advice is to stick to a bank roll that suits you, never put more than 10 % of your bank roll into any one tourney, and you should be fine, i hope my advice helps anyone who plays on FTP, thanks.. Also FTP withdraw is very quick and easy, all you do is open yourslef a money bookers account, within your bank in 2-4 days. be nice to hear form anyone else who has some joy on FTP

dough
FTP is rigged November 28, 2007
Full Tilt is absolutely rigged. I have played THOUSANDS of hands there, and have come to expect the worst. It is ruining my ability to play live effectively because I am so conditioned to getting screwed. I am convinced that FTP has a program that rewards new players (it did me) and punishes players with small bankrolls. I have played enough poker in my life that I can say this without doubt. If it is truly random, it should be no different than what you see at the casino or the home game -- but that is simply not the case. Ignore at your own peril. I was lucky to escape with only losing a couple grand over the course of 18 months of playing tight and only getting my money in with the best hand for the most part. Ignore at your own peril. Stick to live action.

bowie444
November 24, 2007
I'd also like to request the Full Tilt support number - they're making it seemingly impossible for me to actually withdraw my funds from the site, which is the biggest con of any poker site I've played

jackson
November 17, 2007
This is the first online poker site i've played on, and in a week and a half of play, i've already realized the site is rigged. I've seen a highly unusual number of bad beats. The most consistent theme i've noticed is during the final table in a multi-table sit and go, or during a 5-handed game on a full table sit & go, the small stack will almost always lose an all-in against a bigger stack even when the small stack has a huge advantage! And the same will happen to the next small stack to the point where the bottom stacks just start dropping like flies. It's so obvious why they would do this. They want these sit & go's and tournaments to wrap up quickly so they can get more of these games in, one day, which means more buy-in money. I feel sorry for people who have lost big money...I am luck to have lost just $200. After noticing this, I immediately withdrew my money. Just because this site is endorsed by these big players such as Ivey, Hansen, Juwanda, etc...don't assume that it's gonna be a fair game with your mistakes being the biggest obstacle. I've noticed im not the only one who's noticed this and if your reading this and you still continue to play full tilt online (or any other poker site because ive read a lot of bad reviews on this issue with the other sites)then YOU HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM...GET SOME HELP IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

fullrock444
November 11, 2007
I liked your post Hoomey (and the others too) and I think that the time of the tourney is a very important reason to get out the lower stacks players, they need to open new tourneys the faster they can. I have notice a the pattern of losing 3:1 when I should win 3:1, but to me that seems to happen more often when the pot is bigger. For example: I have $ 25 and I go all in against an oponent with $ 5, I win in the normal rate, but if my stack is compromised, lets say my oponent has $50, I lose much more often then I should. It seems to me that if the software detects that it can broke a player, it will broke that player, so the player has to reload, thats simple and similar to the tournament reasoning. If your stack is at risk you will lose it, so you have to put more money in the site. Another thing that I´d like to say, Im pretty happy that I found a forum in wich this topic is discussed, and Im pretty happy that this fraud at AP has been discovered, because It opens the debate. What I think amazing is that people can rob BANKS, take real money from super secured BANKS, but some people believe that poker sites will never be robbed or fraudulent, as they could be safier than BANKS, thats silly. I believe that players of fulltilt should unite their hands log and make a big statistical analisys, that would be the ultimate proof of security or fraud.

ftpriggedAA
November 11, 2007
People Can Win There, But If Your Not Running Ev On Your All In Hands Something Is Wrong...example You Are All In On Flop 100 Hands And Ur Ahead 70/30 As The Fav U Should Win Near That Longterm..many 2plus2 Good Players Dont Run Ev On There All In Luck

ftpriggedAA
November 11, 2007
man how has this not been discussed. All sites have there rng certified or audited by 3rd parties..they all mention on there site how there rng works..except full tilt doesnt mention one word about there rng..zero..also it hasnt been tyested by a third party like every other site has. I must have logged over 500k hands on ftp..i can truly tell you that there are many action cards and bad beats more then the norm. In fact, full tilt is going out of there way to not have there rng tested and audited...in fact they said it would get done 27 months ago and it still hasnt occurred. YOU WILL SEE MORE RUNNER RUNNER ON FTP THEN ELSEWHERE..PLUS MANY PLAYERS RUN BELOW EV ON THERE ALL IN LUCK...THE BETTER PLAYERS ON 2P2

LexusLS430ultra
November 7, 2007
Talk to everybody you know that has ever played FTP and find out if ANYBODY has EVER taken a profit out of FTP. Sure some of us play bad (though I HAVE won WSOP super-satellites in the past, and made it very deep into WSOP and WPT tournaments in Atlantic City, so I'd like to think I have some clue what is going on), but see if anybody ever knows ANYbody who has made any money (and taken it out of FTP). That may be a big clue. If NOBODY is winning, then it makes things much more suspicious.

LexusLS430ultra
November 7, 2007
I've seen an incredible number of suck-outs on FTP which really makes me question if it is a fair game. After they caught cheating at AbsolutePoker.Net (google it) I began to wonder about FTP. I've been keeping track of the improbable suckouts, their frequency, and the situation surrounding the hands, and it comes down to 2 cases: 1-Player knows what all the cards on the table are; or 2-Player knows what cards are coming out next. #1 is possible by using various programs to intercept network packets & then display them in a separate window (not too different from a network sniffer). #2 is easier, by using a predictive shuffling algorithm (you obviously have to know which algorithm they use, but at that point, it only requires that you get to the same point in the shuffle, which you can figure out within a few hands, then you will know what the next draw card is in the predictive shuffler). All a deck is - is an array that get's "shuffled" by using a random number generator to either exchange 2 cards in the deck, or use the RAND to select which cards to copy into the "live deck". So this isn't difficult, you just have to know which RAND function they use to shuffle, and you can know everybody's cards forever. Cheating on line, it is happening. Don't play at all as it is too easy for them to rip you off. Even worse, it would be trivial for the website owner to set up a few "bots" that could take advantage of this information and steal you blind, and you'd never even know it. Stay away from on-line poker sites. Learn from my mistake. Play them for free, but don't ever use real money.

Hoomey
November 2, 2007
WHY Are plattforms rigged ? I tell you...Interesting conversations round here.. the posts here DENYING that online poker is rigged always claim that there wont be any advantage for the platforms riggin the cards... well.. bringt it to the point and think about that : after gettin f*+++* 1,5 years online(1 year titan poker... the WORST EVER and now full tilt.. good bye as well..) I can definitely tell some patters : Small stack : (especially tournaments etc.): LOSE ..whatever good cards you might have most of the time -> WHY ?: Game should be over as quickly as possible to start a new one -> another rake for the platform (server capacity are surely not enough for INFINITE tables) Next pattern: If Bankroll gets smaller and smaller (there seems to be some magicall border) -> lose,lose and lose till youre broke.. WHY: basic psychology.. most people are then "tilt" and think "o.k, NOW i win my money back" and wire money again and again because I WANNA BE A PRO AS WELL CANT BE THAT HARD ?!!??..yeah right.. so much about the point "why should the cards be rigged-- no advantage for the plattforms??" .. really ? think about it.. I put my whole energy rather in live tables ;)

crazy8slol
October 23, 2007
I decided today to stop playing full tilt. I've been playing for 6 months there and lost 2k. The first 1k is understandable, I was playing bad, I overvalued top pair, etc. The second 1k is what has me concerned with online poker. I read a lot of poker books, I tightened up my game, I only play good cards, etc. Until recently I've agreed with "Online poker isn't rigged, you just play more hands so you see more bad beats." But while that's true, if you consistently put your money in with the best of it, you should consistently win. Aces v Kings, King hits way more than it should. Flush beaten by runner runner full house. While I also acknowledge that the bad beats stand out more than the winning hands, I'm still being beaten way more than I should while holding the best hand before the river. I love playing poker. I love playing poker online. BUT, I can't keep playing online for the same reason you wouldn't play against someone dealing off the bottom of the deck. The beats are nuts and I'll have to go back to driving to Atlantic City if I want to play poker. I'm reminded by something Mike Matusow said: "When I play poker live, I have maybe one losing month out of 15. When I play online, I'm lucky to have 4 good days a month."

uberfilth
September 25, 2007
Wow Nathan, you must be the most stupid person I've ever seen. Where do I even start? For a start I was curious as to why you were playing J5 in the first place. I'm guessing the pot was raised with aces, but I could be wrong, so I'll leave that and assume you were in the big blind, or are an idiot... So the flop comes and makes your 2 pair, and you slowplay, fair enough, although the 5 could easily be counterfeited on a later street. So the "dumbass" goes all in with aces. Hardly a terrible play, given the nature of the flop - he can't be expecting clowns to be playing trash like J5. Anyway, I digress. So he turns an ace, thus proving that the site is rigged against you, with his one outer. However, I've just checked a standard pack of cards - DEAR LORD! THERE'S 4 ACES IN THERE!! Weird. Ok, so I'm being picky - he had a 2 outer. But wait... Another 2 would in fact have you beaten (I'll give you some time to think about that). So he's really got a 5 outer. Still, you're right - you're still the favourite. However, let's think about it for a minute. Forget the 2, what are the odds of him hitting the ace? You've got 2 cards, he's got 2 cards, there's 3 on the board. So there's 45 cards left in the deck, and only 2 aces. So... back to school. What are the odds of hitting that? I'm going to take a stab at 1 in 22.5. So, once in every 23 hands or so, you should expect to see that ace. Consider how many hands you play. That's going to happen a lot. He could also hit it on the river, so it's twice as likely to happen - nearly one in ten. People win the (uk) lottery at odds of nearly 14 million to one - one in ten is pretty likely to happen, huh? Anyway, I've rambled enough. The actual odds of him beating you (by the river) are about 27%. Just over 1 in 4. Hardly conclusive proof the site is rigged, is it. So back to the post. He made his ace on the turn. Like you say, it's just a shame you didn't make your 5 on the river to beat him (another 2 outer, by the way) with you full house. Oh wait... you'd have 5s full of jacks. Last time I checked, that loses to Aces full of 5s. Idiot. The other hand you don't really give us enough information - the board must have paired on the turn, otherwise his three 8s couldn't beat your nut flush. Anyway, how much of your $100 did you have left by then? He might have been going up against you with you only having $50 left - pretty short in the $2 games. Maybe the reason you lost all your money is because you put in $100 - HALF a buyin on the $2 tables, and were the victim of a little bit of variance. Even the pros (who, of course, have this site rigged for them) could easily lose $100 on the $2 tables before turning a profit. Try reading about bankroll management somewhere, if you can read. Then you descend into your homoerotic fantasies, which I can't criticise at all - good for you, stand up for what you believe in. Homosexual rape. You truly are a credit to the human race.

nathanthomp
September 19, 2007
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nathanthomp
September 17, 2007
This site is a motherƒucking joke. I had J5 flop comes J52 I check, his dumbåss goes all in he has AA. TURN IS THE GODDDAMN ACE!!!1 1 FUÇKIN OUTER ARE YOU FUÇKIN KIDDING ME. OF course I dont hit the 5 and lose. This site can suck my 8" CøCK and swallow a load of my jizz. all the ƒuckin çunts on this site cheat and steal your money. IF YOU DEPOSIT YOU WILL LOSE GUARANTEED. I deposited $100 and sat at $1/$2. I have Ad Kd raise to $10, one call. Flop is 6d 8d Jd. I go all in, he calls with 8s 8c. GUESS WHAT THE RIVER WAS?? THE 8!! BULL§HIT!! One outers every fµcking hand. All these ßitches can blow my fat Diçk. If I saw them in real life I would beat the fµçking shi† out of their fuçkin åss. The owner of the site is a puss¥ for not meeting me face to face... if he did i would shove my çock in his åss. Fµck FullShἱtPoker.

mrkromer
August 11, 2007
I wish everyone would quit bitching on here about someone taking a chance on a gutshot straight for $10!!! This isn't the same game that pros play! Of course people make different choices when there's a substantial amount of money on the line; there's just not many people that are affected by losing $10. Enjoy poker everyone; quit complaining about other people's decisions.

jaywepp
August 10, 2007
Okay.. this has me on "Tilt" so to speak. I might be coming over to your guys side... Was playing in a $10.00 $15K guarantee rebuy last night. I didn't realize it was a rebuy until I got in. I say that because I hate rebuys and don't waste my time with em because of the blind luck needed just to survive the first break most of the time. So... Not only do I manage to survive, but I do pretty well and have around 8K at the break, which was about middle of the road. We keep going after the break for awhile and I get ACE QUEEN Off. I raise it to 1000 pre flop and get one caller. Flop comes something like Ten Nine Four... Guy checks in front of me so I take a chance and go all in for about 6K, he calls and we turn over cards... he has Jack SEVEN! I hit my queen on the turn and am feeling pretty good.. well of course an eight pops on the river to give him a straight. The guy did have around 20K in chips to start the hand, but that probably didn't even put him ine top 20 at this point in the tourney. In what world would you call the pre-flop raise, let alone calling a 6K raise when you had nothing more then a gutshot straight draw. So who knows anymore. I'll just keep plugging along.

jaywepp
August 6, 2007
I'm a little torn when it comes to this. I started with $50.00 on FullTilt about 3 months ago and have turned it into $900. So while I have had success on the site (mostly play $10.00 $20.00 Sit and Gos), I would be lying if I said there wasn't some degree of "rigging" on the site. Sure, you play about 5 times the amount of hands in any hour then you would if you played at a casino. However, even with that said, I think I see more then 5 times the amount of bad beats in any given hour. Take last weekend for an example... I had Ace King 15 times in 2 days. I won exactly twice with that hand the entire weekend and one of those times I pushed my opponent out early with my betting. Who knows what they would hae caught if I let them get past the flop! However, while I do think the card/number generator at FullTilt is a little screwey, the one thing we should all keep in mind is there is no such thing as a random number generator. Patters will always develop! To be honest it would be impossible for FullTilt or any of the other poker sites to comit the fraud of rigging the site for the same reason it is pretty much impossible to pull any such large level fraud, there are too many people who would need to be involved. The truth would come out somewhere and the company would be exposed. Especially what has to be a billion dollar entity like fulltilt. Again, I don't trust the site completely and have had my share of times where i questioned what happened, but overall, it's a pretty safe site. I guess the one thing I would advise players to do when it comes to online poker is don't try to "walk the dog" or slowplay strong hands. Save that for the Dominant a miracle would have to happen after the flop (2 outer or less) for you to lose. Don't know about you, but i'll flop 3 pair and every darn time I have a flush draw staring me straight in the face=)

un666
August 2, 2007
yes the playchip tables are RIGGED because its the same software AS THE REAL MONEY. I can sum up fulltilt poker in one sentence THE WORST HAND ALWAYS WINS. I used to play for real money and got tired of losing my hard earned money with the best hand to donks everyday so i recently started playing for playchips and nothing changed. example just 10 min ago i went all in with a-q vs some donk who called with q-9. preflop im going to win 7 out of 10 time because im a 70% fav preflop. long story short the flop hits nether of us the turn same thing only one card to come the river im a 95% fav to be exact and what a surprise he hits a 9 on the river. hahahahah this gay ass site is so rigged its not funny. And when i say rigged here's what i mean. Anyone who thins a guy is sitting there looking to screw you is wrong. whoever desighed there software made it so losing hands will draw more then winning hands so donks will keep coming back. let me end by saying this anyone who thinks im wrong please try this out i did and it is very convincing. go play some platchip table and purposely go all in with shit hands 7-2 3-6 j-4 and so on any hand that you know is garbage and i guarantee you will win more hands then you will believe ive done it several times and it is sad tom watch a-a lose to your 4-2 offsuit. IF YOU THINK IM BLUFFING TRY IT ON PLAYCHIPS YOU WILL WIN WHEN YOU SHOULD'NT MANY TIMES OVER.

whatsgood
August 1, 2007
I found this forum/site by searching for "full tilt rigged" in my search engine. So as you have probably guessed I've been burned by Full Tilt in a suspicious way more than once. There are some things I wanted to bring up. On one hand, there are some of you that complain about going all in preflop with a premium pocket pair and losing to a higher pair very often. At the same time, the same person complains about going in with a higher pocket pair against a lower pair and losing to a set. While I've seen my share of both on this site, making both of these arguments in the same breath does not make sense to me. Also, people compare playing multiple tables (or even one table) online to playing live games. Live games move significantly slower than even 1 online table, which means you will see a larger number of hands and of course an increased number of bad beats or improbable combinations. I have probably played over a million hands of online poker on multiple sites over the last few years. There is no cardroom player that can make a similar claim in their lifetime without playing online. So as much as they think they've seen, their sample is not really relevant. On the other hand, I've suffered a lot on this site due to bad beats and am too scared to go all in with the nuts on the flop because I have a feeling my opponent will improve to beat me on the turn and river. This is the feeling that brought me to reading this forum. I play mostly $2/$4, but also have a scale of limits according to my bankroll - so I do drop down to lower limits. I have tried all limits below 2/4 out of curiousity for a period of time as well. There is an alarming number of bad beats that happen on this site, where your opponents happen to his improbably draws to beat you. I've tested this with really small limits .05/.10 to .25/.5 by playing recklessly hoping for underpairs to turn sets and for improbable gutshot draws or runner runner flushes to hit. Although I was not turning a profit this way, I was able to stay alive for a pretty long time. The way it worked is, I would consistently lose pot after pot until I hit a hu