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Aaleji 10-29-04 08:28 PM

Playing with ultra-tight players
Playing in a few home games I have run into some ultra-tight, Rock of Gibraltar type players that call with only high pairs or will only see rivers with the nuts. I have found that out of aggravation or just the sadistic desire to see these players lose, I have tried to outdraw these players even to the river.

I know that's what they're hoping for, but man even playing $1-$2 ... loosen up a bit and gamble!

lifescircle 11-01-04 04:26 PM

Fold, fold, fold...
I agree with you. You gotta play a hand, isn't that part of the fun. And then, they always give this big sigh when they see the flop "should've stayed in that one".

Let's gamble!

Chad 11-02-04 11:35 PM

Playing ultra tight...
Well, playing ultra tight is really the only way you can win limit games consistently. I, personally do not have the patience to play those kinds of games. Playing ultra tight in a no limit game usually relies on luck. Ultra tight players are usually pretty easy to bluff out in a no limit game. If they only call you, then it is usually pretty obvious that you are in for a nasty trap. It is hold to fold marginal hands at times, but you must do that around these kinds of players.

Personally, the thing that aggrivates me the most about poker is getting rivered. Seldom does the river flow the other way for me. But when it does, sweet revenge!

rock133 11-03-04 12:22 PM

I play that way to start game then loosen up so table can't get good read. Most of the time I get to bored to play to tight plus watching all the hands I would have won if I gamble a little.

Bkp 11-29-04 03:33 PM

I find that alot of home game players, if ultra tight only look at THEIR cards. They are not familiar with trying to read other players. Most people who only look at the math can't do both. So try to get a read on him (or her), if there are a few hands that can beat him re raise. That will make him second guess his hand, and also try to get a read on you.

Chad 11-30-04 03:57 PM

Don't re-raise a tight player!
You should never re-raise a tight player, unless you really feel that he loosened his game up. Otherwise, you are probably just donating to his stack.

Unregistered 12-10-04 09:23 PM

Tight agressive player
I tend to play a tight agressive game, but I do loosen up every now and then. The reason I play the way I do is the some of the regulars I play with are loose and very aggressive. They over bet their opening hand and I' muck my cards if they are marginal. I will pay for the flop if I'm one of the blinds. But, I have no problem dropping out after a flop. They win the blinds or the small pots and then they get froggy when I have a hand and I make them pay dearly for it. Then I can bluff a weaker hand out of fear.

Unregistered 12-29-04 02:16 AM

Raise the small/big more aggressivly. The tight players usually always moan when blinds raise and will do anything to slow down there raise...

If your playing against an ultra tight player just wait for the blinds to eat him/her alive. Motion at the start of the game to set aggrevise raising of the blinds.

These players cause me frustration too. But in heads up, even 3 left, you should eat them alive.

Chad 12-29-04 01:26 PM

I wouldn't...
If you raise the blinds they will likely call because they were in to begin with. Wait until you see a flop with no A or K in it, then you should bet reguardless of what position you are in if it is just you and a tight player. They only thing they
might call you with is a pair of Js-As or better or a pocket pair that hits a set. Anything other than that then the pot's yours. You should wait until the flop though.

Unregistered 12-29-04 04:52 PM

Being a pretty tight / aggressive player myself, I personally don't understand the philosophy of playing loose (those players are usually the most boisterous and the first to leave). Isn't the point of poker to make money? If you want to play loose and for fun, go to your local bar for one of those no buy-in fiascos they usually have. As for wanting to break a tight player, do you not find it aggravating to lose to them 70 - 80% of the time while paying them to aggravate you? I personally hate very loose players who "gamble". If you want to "gamble" play casino war or roulette or something where math, logic and probability have no affect on your play. Just my $.02

Unregistered 12-30-04 02:22 AM

I agree completely with the last post. Playing loose and gambling on hands that are not worth playing is a big mistake. Playing on the tighter end of the spectrum allows you to bet money on hands that have a good chance of winning. I have played in very loose tornaments where the loose players were donating chips to the tight guys with good hands.

Chad 12-30-04 12:09 PM

Well, there are times to bluff and times not to. I would say that I am a tight/ agressive player like you guys. The players who bluff constantly are obviously bluffing. I then find a time to raise his/her bluff (usually double the bet) and they fold immediatley, usually when I have worse nothing then they probably did. There are always certain pots and flops to bluff on and some that you should'nt. I'm not going to go into all that, because I could probably write a book on all of it.

Unregistered 01-02-05 01:12 AM

tight vs loose
Tight, early in tourney, then loose later, and noone suspects a thing. I mean if youre perceived as a rock, who will gamble with a rock? (the maniac? )
A license-to-steal is the true payoff for a rock player. Plus all the time sitting, waiting for a hand, lets a rock, if theyre a good player that is, see who is weak, who is strong, or will defend their blinds and whatnot. A rock can last until the end and the blinds are big enough then to do some "good" gambling. Plus the info, if theyve been paying attention, that the rock has learned, identifying the players and such, should pay off . Its still poker though, and nothings guaranteed.
But the percentages/odds count, and Rock's gettin his money in with some goods. Or else he's bluffing... who would know?
The maniac cant bluff as easily/effectively. (More inclined to call a maniac.) and when its shorthanded, noone gets great starters consistently, and if a rock is in it, are you gonna call and be out if wrong. maniacs got to go about it opposite though. A little tighter on the end if they make it, because by then the rocks are alive and gambling. At least they better be.

Unregistered 02-02-05 07:33 AM

You can't play the same way all the time
I think the key to winning is to play tight/agressive most of the time. Occasionally however you have to loosen up your game a bit. If I'm in a tourney and have a decent stack I will often take a look at hands like 10-8s 67s, number one because if I hit the straight on those hands I'm usually a winner and it shows the other players that I'm willing to gamble. It's alot easier to win a hand if your opponent can't read you.

Locohombre 02-02-05 11:08 AM

In agreement with the last poster.
That is correct.

CubsFanSean 02-02-05 06:59 PM

This is not the case
[QUOTE=Chad]Well, playing ultra tight is really the only way you can win limit games consistently. I, personally do not have the patience to play those kinds of games. Playing ultra tight in a no limit game usually relies on luck. Ultra tight players are usually pretty easy to bluff out in a no limit game. If they only call you, then it is usually pretty obvious that you are in for a nasty trap. It is hold to fold marginal hands at times, but you must do that around these kinds of players. [QUOTE]

You are wrong about making money in limit is only through playing ultra tight play. Let me give an example. Your in a 2 4 game and the pot is 12 small bets and your on an open ended straight draw. If you call the one small bet you are getting 6 to 1 on your money for a draw that will hit nearly 30 percent of the time or 4.75 to 1 break even odds. The right thing to do here is to call at the least and it may be better to raise depending on if your cards are overs or not. An "ultra tight" player may not even be in at this point. You make money by playing this right and thus you have positive expectation. The 70 percent you don't hit is less money than the 30 percent or so you do hit. Poker is gambling, pot odds, and expectation/probability. Not playing aces and/or kings. That's easy. I played this way and learned I could leave a 2 4 or 3 6 game up 20 bucks after 6 hours woopty doo. If you play the way I am describing above you make more money. I suggest reading Small Stakes Hold 'Em by Miller, Sklansky, and Malmuth as they explain these things much better than I do. The simple truth is ultratight is ultrawrong if you want to make a lot of money. If you want to win your buy in to the next home game go for ultra tight.


CubsFanSean 02-02-05 07:03 PM

12 to 1 on your money not 6 to 1. Sorry for the mixup. . Again, I suggest the book

Locohombre 02-03-05 07:27 PM

Good thinking, you still have to play somewhat tight to win limit games though. What I mean by that is that you can't bluff anyone out very often. You can't really outplay your opponents like you can in NL games. However, I really like that idea that you described for limit games.

Unregistered 03-15-05 01:18 PM

I like to play the rocks by raising alot of pots.no limping eventually hes gonna wanna see a flop. when he does hit its easy to let go of a hand against a player like this.cuz he only plays monsters.so most tight players dont get alot of action.I love raising low suited connectors against players like this .cuz when there ace hits and u catch the miracle two pair flop with
suited rags.he cant put u on that and u crack em .And then hes ther complaining about how could u raise with a 2,5 of hearts straight tilted .I LOVE this Game.

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