All the bad beats come from magic river cards.... so ignore the shills posting

Trust me! Do not spend one dime on this site UNTIL you have at least played for a week or so on the free money tables first!Then you can judge for yourself if the near CONSTANT bad beats are unrealistic and improbable enough to be almost impossible and completely laughable!PARTYPOKER.COM is a digrace to poker!Who's getting rich!????????????Seriously, before you make your first deposit on this site, play on the free money tables for a while.Play "tight" and try to play as best as you possibly can.Keep notes!Figure out what the odds are for you and your opponent to make their draws , who's the favorite, who's the underdog etc.THE BOTTOM LINE IS:THE ODDS ARE ALMOST CONSTANTLY DEFIED ON PARTY POKER.COMDon't believe me. See for yourself.Again, my reasonable suggestion is: Play on the play money tables for a while (At least a week or 2)and then, only they decide for yourself if you want to play there for real money!!WILL even 1 person who's even played on there a lot even disagree with me about what I've just said?To summarize briefly: "The ODDS of underdogs vs favorites (Preflop AND after the flop), making draws etc, etc are in complete defiance of statistical probibility"Correct me if I am wrong BUT this is just my opinion!I'm not offering any proof of what I am saying!Go see for yourself! GOOD LUCK AND HAVE FUN!If you've never played on there before and then you happen to read this and go there and play, I would really like to hear from you in a couple of weeks!Don't let what I have said here cause you to have a biased opinion or a pre-conceived notion.Again: See for yourself and you decide!I'm not claiming anything!I'm just expressing my honest opinion after playing many, many fun and exciting and unbelievable hands there! POKER SHOULD BE FUN AND EXCITING BUT BELIEVABLE TOO!THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS, LADIES AND GENTLEMAN? THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS?

As far as programming goes, it's very stable and works well with my computer. Now, everybody wants to hear about how rigged this site is... well I can say I cashed out and for 2 months had nothing but just one long, depressing losing streak. I don't know how real that is, I have only cashed out a few times, I'm losing that bad lately, haha. OKAY OKAY BUT HERE GOES, here is the one thing i can attest to is being totally valid. THE PROBLEM IS WITH POCKET PAIRS. DON'T GET ALL EXCITED IF YOU HAVE A POCKET PAIR, WATCH THE GAME, AND YOU WILL SEE HOW MANY TIMES, HOW MANY TIMES, ***NEARLY ALL*** of the time someone else will have a pocket pair, if not 2 and sometimes even 3 others on that one round!!!!!!! That is my only gripe, but I have come to learn to fold my QQ's and JJ's and 44's when the flop doesn't support it, it is hard to do, but every time I just watch and in the end, realize that yes, it was a good fold, that was just a bait, A BAIT. not a bad site though, once you figure out how to handle this tidbit. =)

You people are very sad. Party poker isn't rigged. I don't need to offer any reasoning why becuase none of you will listen. If it's rigged, surely someone somewhere would be able to bring the entire company down. That is my challenge to you. Expose Party Poker with cold hard evidence and bring them to their knees.

Well, here's a simple test!Go to PARTYPOKER.COM.Play 100 hands on the play money tables.Record the results of each hand. Let us know what your Hole cards were and what your opponents hole cards were and what the odds were for each of you pre-flop, after the flop, after the turn and then after the river.Then put a star beside each bad beat and each "Miracle Card"!Also, of particular interest, put 2 BIG STARS next to each hand in which it would make sense to go all in but you loose any way!!See how many STARS you come up with and on how many hand the odds are "ROUTINELY" defied!How many stars should you have in 100 hands?How many bad beats should some one suffer or how many miracle cards should some one get?It would probably take less than 3 hours to play 100 hands on PARTYPOKER.COM on the play money tables...I've been there. I've seen it with my own two eyes.If some one wants to find out for themselves,Go there and play!IT WILL BE PERFECTLY OBVIOUS! CRYSTAL CLEAR!IT WILL SMELL LIKE YOU'RE WALKING THROUGH A FISH MARKET ON A HOT SUMMER DAY!

Here are some typical scenerios on pp, that happen on a consistant basis** Dealing down cards ** I am aaaaa and raise the ante, with AA only 1 player stays in.Dealt to aaaaa [ Ad As ]aaaaa raises [$4].bbbbb calls [$4].** Dealing Flop ** [ 4d, Td, Qd ]aaaaa bets [$2].bbbbb calls [$2].** Dealing Turn ** [ Js ]aaaaa bets [$4].bbbbb calls [$4].** Dealing River ** [ Ah ]aaaaa bets [$4].bbbbb raises [$8].aaaaa is all-In [$1.5]bbbbb shows [ Kh, Th ] a straight, ten to ace.aaaaa doesn't show [ Ad, As ] three of a kind, aces.I had the same thing happen with a set of 8's on the flop, and another player had pp j's, the turn and river gave them a str using the jjVarious other times I had top 2 pair and reraised the better to be raised back, he had a pair of 4's I had k's and 9', the river is anA and he ends up with A/4'sThese scenerios hapen over and over, you can say bad luck, yes, I agree,but on PP this is what happens 1000 times over, if you hit a set or top 2 pair, or a str or flush on the flop, you might as well fold because the river card will beat it. They should be closed down.

This is only a test!Try this on the PARTYPOKER.COM's play money tables:Only play strong starting hands!Fold everytime you have a marginal or weak hand ONLY play:*Pocket pairs that are 7 or higher (Or pocket 9's or 10's on up depending on your starting hand strength criterea).*A,9 through A,K.*K,10 through K,Q.*Q,10 and Q,J's.J,10's just out of curiosity!Each time you get one of these hands, simply go all in!Someone will more than likely call you with "Non-playable hands" such as 8,4 or J,2 etc. You'll be amazed at how many times people will call you pre-flop all in with hands like these and flat out bust you when they manage to flop or draw 2 pair, 3 of a kind or get lucky enough to somehow get a straight, a flush or even a boat! It seems like whenever you go all in, even with a legitimate starting hand, you are actually commiting suicide most of the time! See for youeself if you don't believe. (DON'T BELIEVE ME OR PEOPLE LIKE "YOU PEOPLE ARE SAD". SEE FOR YOURSELF CAUSE SEEING IS BELIEVING!)Again here's a better idea: Go all in PREFLOP for one hundred hands with the hands mentioned above! Record the results. Post them here please. Please let us know what your starting hands were, what the community cards were and what the hole cards were of the callers and of course what your odds to win the hands were preflop. It would be nice if several people did this and posted the results here! Good Luck!

i have played poker for 40 years quite successfully in brick and mortar and home games i started playing at pp 15/30 held my own then lost 4k after cash out same results as i see stated here. i quit for a bit and decided i would play 3/6 had success and won 1500 took a shot in 15/30 again and won 3k entered 30 tourney placed 3rd win 1900 cashed out 4k and then i got more aa kk qq beat over the next 4 days then you could ever imagine and i played 8 to 10 hours a day everyday the only one i recoginize posting is eagle scout whom i have played with and i will say is a excellent player and i believe he has been successful he is one of the few people i see left over the past 1 year the point is BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT PLAYING ONLINE I HONESTLY BELIEVE YOUR NOT GETTING THE BEST OF IT THERE ARE WAY TO MANY WAYS TO CHEAT DONT MAKE A COSTLY MISTAKE LOL PAUL

I've never claimed to be an expert at poker or a killer player, else I'd be playing more casinos and makeing rounds at WSOP. However, I do well for myself at the end of my week. When I first started online it was Paridise and Stars. I didn't care for the layout so I didn't stick around for more than a few months. I've been at Party for a little over three weeks and have been doing terrible. Now I admit, at first I could only throw my hands in the air and entertain some paranoid idea about forced hands for the house rake. I was seeing more boats, flushes and straights in one night than I saw all week. And watching some of these catches on the river really made me raise an eyebrow. But, I just told myself that the ego talking from too many bad beats. It happens. It's natural to remember more of your bad beats than your best take downs. And of course you see almost ten times as many hands online than you will at land based games per hour. Even takeing all this into consideration I'm at my wits end here. I play for an hourly rate an my home games and a weekly rate at the casinos. Depending on the stakes, my ratio stays pretty consistant. Not online. Whether I have it or not, I have to shake my head in disgust at seeing the same thing over and over. You've all seen it. The things that are caught on the river, the constant flush wars that are always one overcard higher than the other and two pair against trips. Now, again, you see more hands online bc the game is much faster, but the ratio in the real world just doesn't work out like this. You can get "cold hands" or go on tilt just as easily. But, doesn't it strike you as odd to hit a slump everytime you cash out here? Now don't call me paraniod or a sore loser just yet. When you go to enough casino's, you find the fixed tables and the shady pit lords. It happens to all of us when we start out as fish. They can do it bc there's always more fish out there. It's the rake that bothers me about this site and the others. That's where the money is generated. Remember that. Now think back to the ratio of made hands that go up against each other. That rake goes up higher and faster the bigger the pot is. Now maybe you're doing well. I'm not dead here, but I'm not makeing any money. Nothing signifigant at least. It's always up and down. And no offense, but the hand selection I see makes me cringe. But then I noticed something. Nobody was makeing any real money. Aside from the tournaments, at every table the money was just being passed around from player to player. The only real winner I saw was, you guessed it, the dealer and his rake. Now out of, let's just say 30 catagories there are about 100 table in each. Each table pulls a minimum of $1 a minute for the rake. That's 3000 tables. All makeing a dollar a minute. You do that math. I'm not trying to spread propaganda here. Just this, if you want to play online, don't play anything less than the 5/10 table or stick to the tournaments. All you have to do is watch a table for half an hour to notice. It's uncanny to see the difference in the winning hands from the 2/4 table to the 15/30. -end-

i agree that it certainly is not in pp best interest in do anything wrong and i am sure that they do all they can to prevent any kind of wrong doing the golden goose is at stake but this is the justification i think everyone has that wants to play i myself moved down from 15/30 to 3/6 thinking it was less advantagious for collusion but it is also no good for a full time player because of the rake the time put opposed to your profitability is very small the tournaments 30 and up seem your best option because a multipel team of entrants would have to last long enought to get to the same table to do damage. which is possible but harder to do. their security has to be just as vigilant about their own people as much as the general public because it is a fact that most stealing in retail and the corporate world comes from a few bad employees. REMEMBER WHAT MAN CAN PUT TOGETHER MAN CAN TAKE APART. THIS COULD BE A 60 MINUTES SHOW WAITING TO HAPPEN

Next on Sixty Minutes, thousands of bad poker players lose to better players on-line. Details after the football game.

harry i totally agree bad poker players will lose to solid players over the long run on a level playing field but with bots and collusion things you cannot control is where problem lies. online poker is a great concept but there are just to many ways to cheat as i stated and i am postive the site dose not want it to happen either. the 60 minute story will not come good players beating bad ones it will come from the cheating side. enjoy the football game hope they are not shaving points ha ha

I originally made a post a few months back defending partypoker. After taking a little more time to investigate, I must admit I was wrong. Now dont get me wrong, My beef isn't with game play. Getting your brains beat in at the river more times than not has mainly to do with the schools of fish who learn bad playing habits while playing for play money. Where my beef stands is with the cards that are dealt and nothing to do with gameplay. Try this sometime: Take a deck of cards and deal Texas Hold Em like there were 10 people playing. How many times do three players have pocket pairs in the same hand? Very rarely. This is a constant happening with PP. Now heres the kicker. On the day I decided to leave, I played a $20 sit-n-go and saw trips on the flop ON THREE STRAIGHT HANDS! For anyone interested, the odds on this is 424*424*424 (424/1 on trips happening one time) Exactly 76,225,024 to 1! And its not the first time I've seen it! My advice to you is to come to the Gaming Club. THeres only a tenth of the traffic as PP but that means less collusion, very few cheaters, and many tables you will see the same faces making it easier to pick up their playing styles. You can still get a respectable ring game at nearly any limit you choose (as high as $200/$400) They also have multi-table sit-n-go's. And with 6 FREEROLLS every day, you'll be playing a lot of free poker for real cash. A solid player will clean up over here.

I deleted Party Poker for a second time and never intend to go back. I thought I would give them a 2nd chance after not playing there for a couple of months. They by far have the best tournament structure out there, but when the games are "programmed" or "predetermined" to make certain seats/players win, it creates major suspicion in my mind. I have played at numerous other sites and find Pacific Poker to be the most realistic and fair. The best hands win and are very rarely beat by the miracle 1-outer. Of course it happens occassionally, but not with the same over and over again repitition as Party Poker. I base this on simple facts. If you still play at Party Poker, keep track of this and you will see what I am talking about. We all love bad players at our tables, you know the ones who call with little or no outs, but it seems on Party Poker that these guys are hitting those outs at an alarming rate. You could be winning with the best hand against 6 or 7 people at the table, but are constantly losing to 1 or 2 players. That would be fine if they had the best of it, but they don't. They are literally hitting their miracle card time and time again on the river, against you only. It is like it is programmed to pay off that way almost like playing video poker instead of true randomness against an inferior opponent. How is it that possible? It's like OK seat 3 will lose to seat 1 when in the same hand, but will beat seats 8, 9 and 10. But seat 1 will lose to all seats except seat 3, even if their hand is far inferior, then the 2 perfect cards seat 1 needs to beat seat 3 will hit. You know what I'm saying? I truly feel there is no randomness to the play at Party, but predetermination of who will beat who. Give the bad player just enough of the hand knowing he will play it out, and put out the cards he needs to win when up against certain players. Seriously, watch for this. When you are taking bad beat after bad beat when going in with the best of it, you will see that it is the same person tha tis putting the bad beats on you with far inferior hands. Like some of the other posts have said, maybe they do this to "hook" or "reward" new or bad players to keep them coming back, but once they do, the same beats will be happening to them. By the way, I am not some disgruntled recreational player, I am a Floor Supervisor in poker at a Major SOuthern California Casino as well as a 40 hour a week player. I watch thousands of hands played every week and never see the severity of bad beats that I do on Party Poker. I honestly feel they are not legitimate and they do things to increase their amount of play and players without any regard to fairness, only to their bottom line. Their is no regulation of online poker, no gaming commission to ensure fairness, and Party Poker exploits that fact.

pokergenius is right on the money ! I would either rate the site a 0, because thats what you will leave with, or a 69, because thats what they are doing to you. The minute I get a full house at this site, I know I should just fold, because there is going to be a magic river card, that will give someone else a better full house, and it happens over and over. THe really amazing thing is when you flop top 2 pair, and bet, next thing you know, you are being reraised by 1 person, so you reraise them back, then the turn and more reraising, then comes the river, and bingo, you had k's and 9's, the person rerasing you had a pair of 4's, and guess what he has now, A's and 4's, happens over and over again, was this just luck ? Nope, what it is, they plant house players, set up the hands, and whack you on the river, Plain and simple, PP is rigged, there is no other explanation for the consistant bad beats by people reraising you with nothing, and then rivering you time and time again. PP will tell you its either a bad run of luck for you, or its a bad player getting lucky, I would buy that story if this was a freak incident, but this is the norm here, I had pp AA and flopped a set of aces, 1 person stayed in with a 5 7 off, and he reraised the preflop, he reraised the post flop, he reraised the turn, and at this point he had nothing, on the river, was the magic card, a 6 which gave him an INSIDE straight, what a miracle, he had nothing preflop, he had nothing post flop, got 1 card on the turn for an inside straight, and caught an inside straight on the river, I can see if this was an idiot just chasing and getting lucky, and just calling the bets, but this guy reraised all the way through the hand to the max limit, now, PP shills, how do you explain your way out of a hand like that.I have asked PP to investigate several players and several hands, but they do not, of course not, they know the why this is happening, its because they are cheating and prerigging the hands to their planted players. I have requested a refund from them, for their dishonesty and they refuse. I would like to create a website, for other people who agree with this and go after them with a class action lawsuit.

one very simple reason why i rank this site a 1 on a scale of one to 10. PARTY POKER has absolutely no integrity! Switch to poker stars if you are playing on party poker...you'll see what i mean. POKERSTARS is the best online poker room the net has to offer.

made thousands playing on POKERSTARS...lost thousands on party poker...i hate party poker...i lover POKER STARS...and to ppl that defend pp...play on pokerstars where there are better players...u'll find ur not as good as u think u r

pokerstars is better, pokerstars is better, pokerstars is better, pokerstars is better!

Party Poker is a great site, support is good, bonuses are great and the players are loose. I am amazed at how some players who take a bad beat believe there must be some sort of cheating going on, well, we all take bad beats, its part of the game, so get over it.

Hehe PP is rigged...riiiiiiiight.Personally, I prefer PokerStars, but if you think a site is rigged then you are genuinely an idiot.What are the cons of the managing director or PartyPoker deciding to rig the cards? He could go to jail, lose everything and more and the site don't actually make any more money from making it rigged.And what are the pros? It gives good players something to bitch about.Poker sites aren't rigged, just because your aces got cracked doesn't mean the site is rigged. Period.

Way Way too many fake players. They seem to work on teams. I found out the hard way how they get you.... they out draw you by calling bull with multiple player. If you fold they almost never run them to the end. You might as well call this site a racket. ***This is coming from an honest player!

Are these "Fake Players" real people or are they just screen ID's that are just planted there and then run on the computer software program? Why assume that all these "people" who call with BS or who catch their magic card on the river are just "BAD PLAYERS" simply getting lucky?Maybe they are planted there by the hou$e. Maybe they are players who don't even exist. Just think: 1 or 2 plants could do per table. They could play so unpredicatably and so "Poorly" and get so lucky that almo$t alway$ they would be unbeatable!Why would a HUMAN PLAYER call an all in pre-flop bet wQ7 against a player with about $800 who has only played 1 hand in a tournament so far after about 20 hands? Why? You can probably figured out what happened that's why.Just ask yourself why sometimes! Scratch you chin, shake you head in PURE DISBELIEF! $imply $hocking. Don't a$$ume that all these bad beats that happen when your "POCKET ACES GET CRACKED" are just due to someone calling you out of $TUPIDITY. Maybe the person who called you isn't even a person at all. I'm not any allegations. I'm just simply asking questions. Just out of curisity. Everyone should ask themselves "WHY?" once in a while. A few days ago, I was wondering this myself when some one went in all in and I called them pre flop with pocket Kings! (WHY not I got the 2nd best starting hand, right!!??) Gue$$ what? They had deuce seven offsuit and caught there card on the river to make a $traight! Needeless to say, I was very suprised. But even more importantly, I wa$ bu$ted!

Well, it $eems like people are finally figuring out why they are rigging the hands. I have seen so many preflop ante raises with 5,7 off and 46 off, were these players always hit a straight that its sickening. PP would like you to believe that these are bad players getting lucky, but its house players playing out prerigged hands.And if you watch even closer, when they have AK and raise the ante, the flop will be AKK, never fails, no matter what they have, thats what the flop is, and when you do it with AK the flop will be 567, then comes either the 89 or 4, for the old 1 card str, or a 1 card flush. If you really want to get a good eye full, take the top money players, and do a table search on them, and you will see they are playing 4 tables at the same time, non stop, with no breaks, and they are the top money winners on all 4 tables, with the same nonsense, take it a step further, and you will see these people on all the time, and always winning, and a lot of times you will see them at th same tables together, Hmmmm, what a coincidence ! Believe me, pp is a non stop bad beat site, if you have a solid set on the flop, watch it get clobbered after the turn and river. When you complain to PP, they tell you its very bad players getting a fluke lucky hand, well if thats what it is, than a solid player should be cleaning up on PP, but, every hand is a bad player getting lucky. Another thing to watch for is this, when you get Ax, the flop is always K, when you play Kx, the flop is always Awhen you have suited red cards, the flop is all black and vice a versa. I've seen so many people do a preflop raise with JQ off and the flop will be 10,K,A. Or a 4,6 off and the flop is 75K, and of course a 3 on the turn. If you want to have a good laugh, just watch the play on 1 of their tables, my best guess is they have 2-3 house players and sometimes as many as 5-6.

You people basically do not understand that poker is not about the cards but about the players... You "great" tight players are so tight that you can be bluffed out by a couple of check-turns when there are overcards or flush/straight draw on your pocket pair. You are too passive to bluff out people after raising with AJ, AQ and not hitting a pair. And guess what. Sometimes you actually hit a hand and call my check-raises without reraising hoping to get more money out of me and on river sometimes magic happens. I actually hit my gutshot or flush and then your set is toast. But you do not notice the 8 other times when you had the same hand and i folded to your bet on river so you didnt see my cards. And its all your fault for being way too passive, too conservative. Your lack of aggression allows me to bluff you out enough to compensate me for those times when you do have a hand. So when I river your hand with a gutshot draw thats just pure fun and profit, especially cause you start thinking that the software is rigged or that i can see your cards. I dont have to see your cards to know how to play your type using a general strategy. PP is great! Its full of rocks like you guys to be bluffed out and loose aggressive fish who chase and raise like madmen with lowest pair. Learn to play with fish who watched too much WSOP and rocks who read too much lederer and helmuth and don't know how to play heads-up and you can consistently make money....

how can so many different players from so many different regions and so many different styles of play have such similar comments? i was floored to read over these posts, as i relate to each and every bbeat listed. pointless to list arguments, as there are diehards on both sides of the fence. i am on the 'rigged site' side, just wanted to pipe up.btw: consistAnt=consistent your=you're,youre to=toohow can you make a solid point if you cant pay attention to your grammar?the fix is on, face it. if you touch a hot stovetop, you get burned. if you touch it again, its on you. you take your chances, cuz you cant get away from the game. me either. i hate PP, but its like coke. it gets a 5 cuz its the most user friendly. pacific poker has better sit and go tourneys by far though...more to come

Well as a newbie I put $50 in and busted out.They put $20 in my account and I started playing SnG's with it.I got it up to $500 (about 300 SnG's) and stated playing Ring 6 months ago.I just hit $2000 bankroll (all profit).I play lots of sites and shift money around for redeposit bonuses.Party's is the easiest and quickest bonus to release at the 25c/50c NL tables.I have almost 70,000 hands in PokerTracker from Pary/Empire. The distribution and expected winning hands are fine. Well within standard deviation.I can track 14 different types of player with PT. All the expected results are seen. The Fish and Calling Stations lose the most, the Tight and slightly lose Agrressives win, the Maniacs lose less than the CS/Fish but still lose overall and have the highest variation so include big winners.Stop whining - Party makes $2bn in rake/year entirely legitimately - do you really think they would fix it so the a flush-chaser hits too often at your 50c/$1 limit table or in your 10 $ SnG.Play well (and within your bankroll) and win money. Play badly (or outside your bankroll and lose).Part of the problem is that human beings don't really understand true randomness as they have evolved to spot patterns very well and are always looking for them. And random doesn't mean evenly spaced. If I get AA twice in a row then KK it isn't Party fixing the cards in my favor -it's just how true randomness works..

Party used to be "almost" fun. I started out on Party my first site just learning. Went to cash, went up and down as expected for newbie. Kicker was though in 20 dollar tourney, me and only one other stack in hand, me short stack, (of course), I had AA pockets, flopped AQQ, I got all in, he turns over pocket queens. I got the gist of it. After depo depo depo just gave up. This site is a joke. I'll concur with the preponderance of magical river bad beats with a8 a9 all ins and runner runners. I just play the play chips now they wont get another nickle out of me. Its always the same, the 3 that get lucky out of hundred, say "oh its just good play". The 50 who got screwed who know how to play well and flop what appears to be nut then bad beat are never heard from. The rest are just amateurs who dont know what a bad hand is and call anything all the time all the way to river. Why do you think they have to advertise? Need new fresh meat but you depo and win DO NOT CASH OUT all the sites are like that you cash out you are screwed. I played at Desert Poker ran 20 bucks up in a hurry then lost lost lost. Put another 10 bucks in ran up to 120. Dropped to 100 cashed out. The beats were unbelievable. Paradise has same gig. Once you reach 120 off 50 depo the bad beats are unbelievable good go ins zero flops. They get it all back. The secret to online poker is to never win....

Sorry last comment should read "turns over pocket queens, turn queen" for quads.

I got attached to internet poker after seeing a Party Poker television advertisement. I DLed the software and played for awhile. For the first 2-3 weeks, i won like crazy. I would have great starting hands, get behind on the flop and pull it out on the river. I loved it, and then all of a sudden it disappeared. Maybe it was because I sat down in a 5-10 and cleaned up and then processed a cashout for over 2-grand. It took Party Poker 19 days to process that, and then the Middle-eastern support techs called me 4 times to verify my name, address, and bank information. After the cashout I left 200 in my account and had NOTHING!! My QQ would go up against J-6off...I'd lose to two pair on the river...or 4 of the same suit would come out, none of which I was holding. It was AWFUL!!! After the 200 I lost, I was done. It is definitely obvious that they support poor players to keep them winning, so they can lose it all on a binge. It is also obvious that once they see you take money out, they "red-card" you and well...you don't win much for a long time. I also noticed, and agree with a previous post that I could win well one day, and lose the next. It was a pattern...never did I win 2 days in a row. I even waited a few days after I would win...and still, the next time I would play, snapped by awful players, playing awful cards. I wouldnt play or recommend Party Poker to ANYONE even for fun. The players are rude and foul, the support is rude and you can barely understand a word they say. I think they have it all laid out who is to win, and its all just a crap shoot so to speak. Party Poker is a 1 out of 10,000,000 on my scale. I started playing Pokerroom.com after a short hiatus to get my head on straight and LOVE it...support is GREAT. Most people are nice...and the play money tournaments are fun when you don't want, or can't afford the real action. POKERROOM.com...check it out, I GUARANTEE you'll love it. Let me know what you think of it at [email]PokrBowl@hotmail.com[/email]... GOOD LUCK ALL!

Ok I'm not a pro but I don't think I'm terrible either. If I was a lousy player maybe I'd win some money on this crooked site. Of course bad beats are a part of poker that's why it's called gambling, but let's be reasonable. There are way too many examples of absolutely ridiculous hands that win on this site. Good example playing tonight, throwing my last $22 into a $20 SNG NL hold em tourney. 4 people/bots left. I have 1912 chips I'm dealt pocket kings. I raise all-in 2 people fold, one calls with their last 1700. Cards are turned over he/bot has 2,9os I'm thinking are u kidding me. I knew I was in trouble. Flop comes 2,2,9 now if that isn't some BS I have no idead what is. What person in their right mind would make that call? One more example last night I was playing at a 25NL Omaha table and no lie I saw one person/bot win 8 hands in a row with 6-8 people at the table during that span. What are the odds of that happening? If this site isn't crooked I have no idea what is.