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Old 10-13-04, 06:06 AM
Irish88 Irish88 is offline
 
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Showing Cards

Playing in the early rounds of a 50+ person tournament, I raised w/ a pr of tens only to be re-raised by the button. I called. Flop comes KK8. I check, he bets all-in. I fold and show him only the TT.

Am I required to show the rest of the table if I don't want to?
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Old 10-13-04, 08:35 AM
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It is definitely courtious to show everyone. As far as a rule, i'm not sure but i would think you would be required to show or the dealer would be required to show them. If you show a hand to only 1 person then that person has an unfair information advantage.
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Old 10-13-04, 12:33 PM
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Yes

It gives the one opponent an unfair advantage of knowing your strategy. Personally, I wouldn't have shown that hand at all.
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Old 10-14-04, 10:10 AM
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Don't Show

Personally, I never show. But, I've found that in most games I've played in a general rule of "Show one, show all" exits.

Have othes found this general rule?

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Old 10-14-04, 10:59 AM
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I guess my question was is it a rule "Show one, show all" or just table etiquette?

You are right, I shouldn't have shown them to begin with.
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Old 10-14-04, 12:30 PM
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It actually depends on the house/casino rules because not everyone has the same rules. There are no universal poker rules. The generally acepted rule is to show everyone. But if you aren't made to show the whole table it's because the dealer doesnt care and the other players dont care enough to say something.
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Old 10-14-04, 01:47 PM
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If you show one person, it would be considered rude not to show anyone else. Personally, I only show the monster awesome hands that I get, so everyone is led to believe that I only play killer hands. Gives you more of a chance to buy the pot later. Just don't bluff immediately after you show a strong hand.
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Old 10-15-04, 10:27 AM
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Rule Or Etiquette?

Irish88:

I've seen both, and if memory serves, etiquette predominates.

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Old 11-18-04, 01:57 AM
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Showing cards sould be part of your strategy.. Newton's Law Applys to poker as well. "Every Action has an Equal and Opposite Reaction"

Think about it..

If you show your hands often i find people will tend to not pay to see your cards.. because they know you will show if you had the flush or what ever good hand they might of thought you to have.. is this good or bad? well if you do have the flush this is bad... but if you have 2 pair and the other guy has trips this is good... if you bluffing do you really want them to pay to see your cards?

so i don't think showing your cards will hurt your game.. i can hurt just as must as it can help..

One rule if follow is know which play pay to see card and which don't.. and learn a betting system for each.. also if a player has just folded to you in heads up match twice in a row they will want to see your cards.. so if you have something good you can milk them.. if your on a margin hand take it easy..

even the best players in the world and be out-smarted

peace
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Old 11-22-04, 10:14 PM
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You shouldn't have showed the tens, and since you showed him you should have shown the whole table. I believe in - "Show one, show all."

~Derek

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Old 11-26-04, 09:08 AM
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Showing Cards

I agree with G.....I will often show my hand as a weapon. If i mis a flush draw, and It didn't cost me much, I'll show, effectivly makeing my table image a "Fish". Later in the day, I will check trips when a flsuh draw is on the board and when it misses, raise which will almost always draw a call, becuase earlier i was a "fish".....Cheers
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Old 12-04-04, 01:51 AM
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I think Irish88 wasn't too dumb to show the tens. If the guy didn't have a king he might of showed, hoping to get Irish on tilt, but really he'd just give him info he might not of gotten otherwise. He might also project the image of being pretty tight, so he could come in guns blazing to steal a few pots later on.

But as far as etiquette I believe show one show all is fair. In my home game that is the practice. I don't like how some guys show their buddies a bluff and then snicker, I don't like finding out three hours later that a hard laydown occured that would of given me information on a player...had I seen it. Personally I just don't think its good manners to buddy up in a game, like showing your cards to one person and one person only over and over again would entail.

On the other side though I have been to some games where the practice is if you show one card you show all of them. This isn't during showdown, where I think you must always show both cards if you've been called or need to prove you have the winning hand, but when you're folding after a hand is through.

One of my favorite plays got spoiled by this at a home game. I walked in and was told the "show one show all" rule and I thought okay I have to show my hand to everyone. A couple hours into the night a hand comes off where I'm heads up against this aggressive Korean player that I'll call Lee. The guy is aggressive but he's predictable, so I love having him in the big blind when I'm on the button. A hand comes up where I have 6-4 of diamonds. I know the hands pretty much crap but I raise anyway, in an attempt to steal the blinds and get a free round. The small blind folds but Lee calls after a few seconds of reflection, but he stamps the chips in making me think he's trying to slow me down. The flop comes up 9-9-2. He bets out. Now I know he would not bet out with a set, so usually I would reraise, but Lee had shown he was able to lay down hands once he was involved, so I thought I could get some more bluffed chips off the turn. Also, a call here might look like a smooth call, adding more legitimacy to my represented trips. So I call. The turn comes an 8. He overbets the pot and now I'm sure he has nothing. He has a lot of chips left so I'm pretty sure I can get away with this gut-wrenching play, the all in with nothing. If he bet out with trips I'm prepared to pay for it just worked brilliantly. I move the chips in and he shakes his head pissed and folds.

Here's my play. I hold up my hand with one card - the 4, and ripping off John Juanda I say "I had you Lee." It looks like I'm hiding my 9 and that Lee made a good laydown. If I showed the bluff here Lee would have backed off every hand for the rest of the night because I had seen him do that before. I don't want him to do that. I want him to overplay a weak hand hoping my card rush has ended, not twist in his seat with anger hoping not to get humilated by a bluff again. He isn't the kind to try to catch you in a bluff every hand after that, knowing that if he runs into me with the chip lead (which I had after that pot) he will playing for all his chips...and he won't have a clue as to what I have. Doing this it looks like I just got lucky and he'll take the attitude that he will get me next time.

When someone said we need to see both of them I did, but I didn't like it. It had been one of the best bluffs of my short career but it probably lost me money because not only did Lee hold off for the rest of the night, but pretty much everyone else did. If I saw a guy do that too I'd try to stay out of pots with him (they didn't get to hear my heart beating like mad as my hand pushed the chips in - all the while the non-poker savvy part of the brain is screaming "you dumb shit!")

So, I think you should be able to show only one card and not get penalized, but you should half to show whatever cards you decide to show to everyone.
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Old 12-04-04, 02:14 PM
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When to show cards...

You show your cards to improve strategy. If you are a fairly, but not too aggressive player like me, you show only your really good hands, that way people will fold when you bet the same, but bluff next time. If you are a tight player, you should show a good bluff against an aggressive player every once in a while to screw with him. People would then get reeled in when you have the nuts.
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Old 01-22-05, 12:04 PM
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All I can say is this, I have played atleast one tournament in 95% of the casinos in Atlantic City and If you only show your cards to one player, the dealer takes it upon themselves to show the rest of the table. So even if it is not a rule, you wont get away with it in AC.
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Old 01-24-05, 12:46 PM
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Showing hands

I was in a tournament last night where I overbet the pot twice with the "nuts" best possible hand actaully I checked then raised with 3 ppl still in. I then went all in they folded and both times I showed. There were 80 ppl to start. We were down to 12 and one of the origional guys Ive played with all night check to me after the river I was in the big blind and has a pair of 2s. I bet all in. I then told him I would show him if he folded the blinds were 1k-2k and there was about 11k in the pot as I tried to steal it after the flop. He folded the 2nd best pair on the board I showed him only my 2. He then said I knew you had the king. He was on a short stack but he really helped me out by doing that. Ive noticed that peoples post say "In my opinion show one show all" Well ask for the rules on that before you start then there is NO CONFUSION. If you dont ask then you will be playing in the dark with these grey areas. I told the table last night show me the rules and Ill show you my cards otherwise next time pay to play.

Herb
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Old 01-24-05, 04:43 PM
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It is courteous to show all and you should only show for strategic purposes. However, in almost all casinos you can request to see any hand, regardless if you played the pot with them or not - you just have to ask the dealer. Again, there is an ettiquete issue here, but if you really want to know what someone had, tell the dealer to show you before the next shuffle starts.
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Old 01-25-05, 01:47 PM
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Showing Cards

I like to show if I have a hand, bet big and everyone folds. It set me up for the next time I bet big when I may be bluffing. I only do this in tournaments not cash games. Just my 2 cents worth.

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Old 01-25-05, 04:41 PM
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Thumbs down showing cards

What casino are you playing in? If you muck your hand, and I don't want you to see my cards, no casino in the world is turning my cards over. The way to become a successful player is to obtain as much information about the players without giving away your own. Why would any dealer just say, "OK well you just took a huge pot down, let's tell every one if you bet it with the nuts or with something else."
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Old 01-25-05, 08:57 PM
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I was gonna say the same thing! if that was the case every person would ask to see everybody elses cards and a 3 hour tourney would take 6 weeks!
That or we play with our cards face up. Where do you people come up with this junk!?
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Old 02-13-05, 02:19 AM
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Show one, show all

I'm a 20 year player (casino-style) and a former dealer (also casino), and I can tell you that in virtually all professional cardroom situations the "show one, show all" rule exists...and yes, it is a rule, not a "courtesy". Moreover (and this seems to be a little-known rule among players AND dealers, but it is a rule nevertheless), in Texas Hold'em, if, at the river, ANY player calls the final bet, then ANY PLAYER AT THE TABLE (regardless whether he's still in the hand or not) can ask to see (and by rule will be shown) the cards of ANY PLAYER who has met that final bet. In other words, if one person bets, two people call, and the original bettor shows "the nuts", the other two players may attempt to muck their hands, but anyone at the table can request to see either or both of the two remaining hands (and will be shown them, unless the dealer/floorperson is clueless). Of course on the internet, this doesn't hold true...though it should. And as for the "strategy" of showing cards, there are two distinct schools of thought, both with merit. The first (and this is the one I agree with) is that you never EVER give more information to your opponent than you absolutely must; therefore, if you don't have to show your cards, you don't. Personally, I don't want anyone knowing what I stayed with, what I played with, what I bet with, what I raised with, what cards I'll play in a certain position, etc. A good player will most definitely use that information against you later...and cost you far more than any perceived "gain" you might make by showing. The second is that there IS something to be gained by showing on occasion...you can put a player on tilt, set a player up for later by showing the opposite of what you'll do next time, etc. Again, while this has legitimate application, I look at this as being a bad idea, mathematically. The percentage "gain" is minimal compared to the potential percentage loss. But then I'm old school...and a lot of players a lot better than me show their cards routinely.

But even good players are just stupid sometimes.
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Old 02-14-05, 08:30 AM
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It is a Casino rule.

If you show cards to another player during or after a deal, any player at the table has the right to see those exposed cards. Cards shown during a deal to a player not in the pot should only be shown to all players when the deal is finished.

So if a home game or tournament states "Casino Rules", if you show one you are obligated to show all. "House Rules" would require a clarification.
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Old 03-15-05, 07:11 PM
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the casinoi rule is show one show all if u bluff and show only one card its perfectly legal .
 

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