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Old 02-27-05, 10:07 PM
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was i right?

i am playing 1/2 no limit. i am bb and sb raises me 15$ we each have about 100$ in chips in front of us. i call in bb. flop comes Jc 10c 4c. he bets 20 i raise 20 he goes all in. i call. he has As Kd i have Qc and 9c. was i right?
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Old 02-28-05, 03:01 PM
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How could you not be right? A flush on the nut flush draw? I'm sure they were pretty bitter that you called their bluff...
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Old 03-02-05, 08:44 AM
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Streaks

I can deal with bad beats. Bad beats happen and there is nothing you can do about it but move on to the next hand. The most aggravating thing for ME is a losing streak. I am at a real low point right now and it is very frustrating. I know I can play better than I am; and I don't let myself play on tilt, but I'm just losing anyway. All week long, someone has been one-up on me. I chase them down with A8, they have A9... I buy my way to a flush, they make a boat.

Ok... I'm contradicting my bad beats theory by including those examples... maybe no one will notice.
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Old 03-03-05, 04:29 PM
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i am playing 1/2 no limit. i am bb and sb raises me 15$ we each have about 100$ in chips in front of us. i call in bb. flop comes Jc 10c 4c. he bets 20 i raise 20 he goes all in. i call. he has As Kd i have Qc and 9c. was i right?
I'm not too sure about your play before the flop due to a lack of info on your opponent, but you definitely played it right after the flop. You busted his balls on a drawing dead semi-bluff. You can't fold a flush w/a double ended str8 flush draw with that flop.
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Old 03-07-05, 09:14 AM
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I can deal with bad beats. Bad beats happen and there is nothing you can do about it but move on to the next hand. The most aggravating thing for ME is a losing streak. I am at a real low point right now and it is very frustrating. I know I can play better than I am; and I don't let myself play on tilt, but I'm just losing anyway. All week long, someone has been one-up on me. I chase them down with A8, they have A9... I buy my way to a flush, they make a boat.

Ok... I'm contradicting my bad beats theory by including those examples... maybe no one will notice.

Do you really think that Ace 8 is a good starting hand. Look how many hands beat you and if you have callers in the pot you can bet there are other aces out there. Good chance with better kickers.


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Old 03-13-05, 12:38 PM
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for me, its sitting at at tourney with inexperienced players that you cannot bet enough to get them to lay down the flush and str8 draws. people who overvalue there cards and hands are the most dangerous to play against. Experienced players expect certain reactions from there opponents based on there reads. I was in a tourney looking to double up my stack. I raised preflop and every card there after. I had a crap hand, however. I knew my opponent had a very weak hand. the board showed A,K,3 on flop, 10 on turn and Q on river. This yahoo called a total of 5000 in chips with 5,10 down.

it wasn't a read he had on me, it was he was an idiot.

It easy to adjust your playing style to eliminate morons like this, but when you sit across from someone you haven't played before, beware of ignorance, I play large tourneys, very often, and this seems to be the trend. Most of these players have no idea what there doing, the only experience they have is what they see on TV.

Poker is about making correct decisions. when it all pans out, the better and more experienced players will float to the top, luck only gets ya so far.


My 2 cents.
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Old 03-28-05, 12:57 PM
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Last Sat nite, was at heads up (final 2) had about 60$ chips , other person had 80$, got pocket J's , bet all in he called me with 2C, 4D. Flop came 7D,
4S, 4H, ended losing to a set of 4's , now thats crazy!!!!! But again thats poker, right? It takes all kind, but would do the same call everytime!
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Old 03-31-05, 12:16 PM
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Those kind of hands make you wonder if there is any base dealing going on.
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Old 04-02-05, 05:44 AM
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Playing with idiots is part of poker and makes us better players. It's like blaming a black jack loss on the moron who hits 18 playing to your right. That's why there still exists a huge element of luck in poker and why even the best player will be beat by a newbie on a bad day. When playing with an idiot, you need to play that against him/her and take their money.












QUOTE=Unregistered]for me, its sitting at at tourney with inexperienced players that you cannot bet enough to get them to lay down the flush and str8 draws. people who overvalue there cards and hands are the most dangerous to play against. Experienced players expect certain reactions from there opponents based on there reads. I was in a tourney looking to double up my stack. I raised preflop and every card there after. I had a crap hand, however. I knew my opponent had a very weak hand. the board showed A,K,3 on flop, 10 on turn and Q on river. This yahoo called a total of 5000 in chips with 5,10 down.

it wasn't a read he had on me, it was he was an idiot.

It easy to adjust your playing style to eliminate morons like this, but when you sit across from someone you haven't played before, beware of ignorance, I play large tourneys, very often, and this seems to be the trend. Most of these players have no idea what there doing, the only experience they have is what they see on TV.

Poker is about making correct decisions. when it all pans out, the better and more experienced players will float to the top, luck only gets ya so far.


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Old 04-02-05, 05:47 AM
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Do you really think that Ace 8 is a good starting hand. Look how many hands beat you and if you have callers in the pot you can bet there are other aces out there. Good chance with better kickers.


Herb
Depending on position A-8 might or might not be worth a bet. A-8 suited is obviously more playable. I stick with A-9 as long as there isn't a raise in front of me but I typically lay it down in positions 1-4.
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Old 04-02-05, 05:49 AM
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i am playing 1/2 no limit. i am bb and sb raises me 15$ we each have about 100$ in chips in front of us. i call in bb. flop comes Jc 10c 4c. he bets 20 i raise 20 he goes all in. i call. he has As Kd i have Qc and 9c. was i right?

you're kidding right?
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Old 04-04-05, 01:04 PM
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you're kidding right?
I would say you were right, you had an open ended straight draw, he didn't.
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Old 04-05-05, 11:19 AM
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I would say you were right, you had an open ended straight draw, he didn't.
An open ended straight draw? I guess if the straight falls through he can always fall on back on his GUARANTEED flush, right?
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Old 04-06-05, 10:32 PM
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Thumbs down Kings Suck

Bad beats, especially if you caught the guy bluffing, one time i had jacks full of kings, and my opponent catches a king of clubs on the river to make kings full of jacks, and i have actually considered slitting my own throat with that exact card!!!
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Old 04-07-05, 01:00 PM
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Well I for one hate the bad beats....and they come all to often. I dont play pocket Jacks as hard as some.....to much out there to beat me. But I love to get big slick....he is my man!
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Old 04-07-05, 08:42 PM
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Hate to burst your bubble...

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Well I for one hate the bad beats....and they come all to often. I dont play pocket Jacks as hard as some.....to much out there to beat me. But I love to get big slick....he is my man!

But JJ and AK have almost the exact same chance of winning. JJ is actually a slight favorite.
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Old 05-10-05, 09:09 PM
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How everybody thinks they are a shark!
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Old 05-15-05, 09:26 AM
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Blackhawk, you said you don't like how everybody thinks they are a shark. I think many will agree with me that these players (who think they're sharks, but aren't) are where the most money comes from. They always keep coming back, because they convince themselves they are always better, but unlucky. However, I must agree, that I HATE those players that talk at a table about pot odds and position plays that they made, using poker terminology to make others think they are good. These ppl are just annoying.
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Old 05-15-05, 11:28 AM
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you're better off acting as if you dont know how to play at all, the dumn ones are who I pay closer attention too, not the talkers.
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Old 05-16-05, 06:30 PM
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Smile Well,

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Blackhawk, you said you don't like how everybody thinks they are a shark. I think many will agree with me that these players (who think they're sharks, but aren't) are where the most money comes from. They always keep coming back, because they convince themselves they are always better, but unlucky. However, I must agree, that I HATE those players that talk at a table about pot odds and position plays that they made, using poker terminology to make others think they are good. These ppl are just annoying.
Well, it's nice that you are trying to be cute, but you don't even have enough balls to post even an alias with that post. I'm slightly better than your average 5 or 10 tourney player. I'm pretty average when it comes to tournaments with 3 digit buy-ins. Learning concepts such as pot odds and betting position certaintly makes the game easier, but I guess an idiot like you surely would not understand. There is still a lot of luck involved in poker, but knowing these concepts gives you a better chance of winning (that an a lot of patience that take time to develop. you also need the ability not to go on tilt after you take a bad beat). Hey, but that's cool. go ahead and rip on me because I know more about how to play than you.
Who knows? You may actually have a better strategy that no one has heard of yet. If you do, please let me know.

Also, I was commenting on the post from neo above, because he is obviously the type to take a lot of bad beats because he puts all of his chips in when he is only a slight favorite too many times. You can only win so many coinflips. I used to have the same problem.
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Old 10-13-05, 11:53 PM
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Players not involved in the pot telling thier cards before the hand is over. Either the plain tells, or the "oh damn!", when 555 comes on the board.

People underestimating the likelyhood of bad beats, especially all-iners. You get AA a 100 times, go all-in against bigger stacks everytime, you are certain to end up with nothing.

"This site is rigged", apart from everything else, having a online poker site and rigging it, would be killing the goose that laid the golden egg if ever there was such a situation.
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Old 10-15-05, 11:24 PM
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U R An Idiot

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The most aggravating thing for me in poker has always been the bad beats. Seeing that one damn card out of three that could beat me out of all the chips I've worked for five hours to accumulate simply hurts like hell. But there is a special kind of bad beat that really kills me - when that one guy gets it on me.

My one guy is a guy named Nate. Nate is a decent guy, albeit a little shallow, outside of the poker table. When he sits down at that felt though he turns into his real self. Nate is an angry white suburban boy who wants everyone to know he's there. He does this by coming in every single hand. If I'm lucky, he just calls the big blind and whatever raises come preflop. On a day where he's really pissed or when he's getting a rush of cards he begins to bet preflop, flop, turn, and river with ANYTHING. The bets are astronomical, usually four or five times the size of the pot, and he will not fold if you try to put a move on him.

Now I don't mind this much because Nate's kind is extremely profitable to me. There are many like him in the underaged home games around Seattle, deeply angered children in young men's bodies with money to waste and a gambling addiction to appease. As such, Nate is at many of the games I attend. The biggest pots I have ever won have been from Nate, but also the biggest pot I have ever lost was to Nate. Nate is a player I don't like much as a person (you should carry yourself better than Nate) but also I realize he is essential to my survival.

Guys like Nate wouldn't keep playing though if they didn't have a lucky night once in a while, and unfortunately a lot of Nate's lucky nights have come at my expense. THIS IS THE MOST AGGRAVATING THING ABOUT POKER FOR ME.

The stupid aggression thing can wear you down. I am patient, but watching my A-K flop nothing for the seventh time in a row while Nate pounds away at me can get grating. If Nate were a good aggressive player I'd know I'd have to make a stand sometime soon, with either a move or a disguised monster. With Nate I know I just need to wait for something solid (because he'll call with all manners of drawing crap) and then I let all the chips go in like he so desires.

What aggravates me are those nights where Nate outdraws me simply in every way, and I try to bite my tongue and not say anything. Last week was my greatest test with Nate. Within fifteen minutes I had:

1) My two pair off the flop lose to a set on the river
2) My Q-Q run into K-K (plus a slowroll...gack!)
3) My top pair run into a backdoor straight
4) Another two pair off the turn running into a set on the river
5) My 6s full run into 8s full...on the river

Nate was on the short stack at the beginning, and gradually he took 60% off of my winnings for the night. The lack of class too bugged me - slowrolling, taunting, going over the hand I lost the most on again and again and again...but I kept quiet somehow.


And really, I shouldn't be angry, I should be laughing. Nate pays for the bulk of my bankroll, the expensive gifts I buy my girlfriend, the music equipment my band needs, the two or three times I eat out every week, the expensive sunglasses I wear at games, the movies I rent, and the food I serve to my friends at my own home games.

My poker buddy and I had come from hardworking but poor families before poker, and now we can treat our girlfriends to something nice whenever we like. When we're hanging out and we've got a friend who doesn't have enough to see a movie we can help him out now.

I live extremely well for a high school student and its because of guys that aggravate the shit out of me.

Once again, poker teases...


To tell u the truth my friend u r not a winning poker player if u cant beat "Nate" because if u cant beat an idiot like that then u r the idiot. Learn to play agressive players and stop complaining about it. According to your story "Nate" is just out playing the shit out of u.
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Old 10-17-05, 03:37 AM
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A bit harsh Unregistered but I take your point. Most people would kill to have a fish like 'Nate' playing at their table - occasionally he'll occasionally win a big pot from you by chasing down shit to the river but if you can't turn a serious profit against this chump then you need to look at your own game.
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Old 10-17-05, 07:03 PM
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Getting Bored and not paying attension. How many times I missed players that where still in and not paying attension to them.

Just cause your out, Does not mean you don't stop playing.
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Rigged Poker Sites

All the rigged online poker sites by far the most frustrating.
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Old 05-26-08, 02:07 PM
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I agree with Chad -- last night at a home tourney I was sitting on A-K and came in for 4 times the size of the big blind hoping to get a couple of people out (it was later in the game and blinds were pretty big on top of it). The flop A-4-5 I'm thinking who would call such a big preflop raise with a 2-3 3-6 or 6-7? I should be pretty safe. Turn card is an 8 I bet and get reraised. I think to myself, could it be? I look across at the novice I'm playing and lay down my big slick -- correctly, at least. Yup she called the pre-flop raise with 6-7 off suit. Why bother to raise the pot if folks think 6-7 os is such a premium hand?


Oh well. In the long run, loose players that over-value their hands make you money than cost you money but that is soooo aggravating to me!

Jen
Well in response to that. Different people like to play different hands. Some don't care they will bet anyway. I know people who will bet or raise anything just to push if they are up. Also you need to take into account how the cards are falling, what kind of flops your getting. If your getting a certain kind of flop consistently with low cards. 6-7 could be gold. It comes down to people and how they play their hand. With low blinds I would play 6-7 off and see a flop. but I would not call a raise with it. I like seeing flops, sometimes you get lucky and hit big.
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Old 11-12-08, 09:41 AM
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Bad beats are part of poker. Some days I am the bug and some days I am the windshield. Whether online or live, poker is gambling. If you can consistently put someone on only HIGH cards, then that is the 'tell'. There are two ways to play poker - 1st, Win the Hand - 2nd, Win the Game/Money. The toughest thing in poker is to lay-down a perceived great hand when you know you've been 'sucked out'. There are a couple of chapters in Super System 2 that are excellent for understanding the 'new player'; the donkey who calls everything and wins some big pots by drawing out. If 'any two cards' is not your style of poker, then just learn to spot this type of player and avoid getting in hands with them, they will race you to the river more often than not. If you are in a cash game, pick your battles wisely - it's not just about your position, it's about who is 'in' or 'out' of the hand too. A lot of new players have never read any poker therory books, they don't know about 'position', preflop raises, etc... they just want to get their chips in the pot so they can 'maybe' pull it off.
I played in a cash game (at a casino) with a guy that absolutely irritated EVERYONE, even the dealer. He called every hand, he raised (pot builder) every hand. He was borderline rude to everyone and just a jerk of a person. But he knew what he was doing - he was pissing off the table so he could get people into pots to try and knock him off. He made more than 700 dollars in the 30 minutes I was at the table with him. He even took about 50 bucks from me (and I am a tight player). He made people at the table play his game, rather than playing their own. I sat out and watched for another 30 minutes, and he cracked AA, KK, QQ - at that point I couldn't watch the train-wreck anymore.
Bottom line - bad beats suck, whether I am getting the beating or giving it. I try to be a good sport about it, say 'nice hand' and just make a mental note of who is a calling machine.
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Old 01-20-09, 01:22 AM
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I just joined this site and seems awesome. I cant get enough poker. I completely agree with the Administrator. Bad beats are part of the game and what goes around comes around. It's cold cards that kill you, especially when its only 4-6 handed, because you put in blinds every couple hands. That's why you gotta bluff :-) Btw i left a post in the Introduce yourself section concerning card dealing. If anyone is a professional or knows how/where to get employed/trained or whatever, please contact me.
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Old 02-10-09, 08:06 PM
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when you can not find a game win or lose its a good time if its not fixed and do not play poker online going to play some real poker tonight i wish me luck but good players do not need luck all we need are some good hands and ppl to think we are full of shi- well i am off to the game party long and hard live free or die
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Old 03-10-09, 02:40 PM
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Myself, ultimately. There are things generally that aggrevate players, but poker is perfect, its the players that need to change. If there were no bad beats noone would play you. If there were no calling stations that flopped flush would never get paid off. If there were no donkeys, everyone would lose money. The only thing that really stirs me up in poker is when i am out-played.
 

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