What is the most aggravating thing about poker?

[HPG ADMIN]

What is the most aggravating things about poker? For most people it is the bad beats. Getting sucked out on is always something that can send you on tilt. But for me it is the times when you sit down at a table (especially a $10/$20 table or something) and get bad cards for 3 hours straight. If you get a bad beat, at least you were in a hand and had a chance of winning the hand. But when you get bad hands you feel hopeless because you have no chance of even winning a hand. Especially when you get the hands like J-10o in middle position because after getting hands like 7-2o for an hour, J-10o looks like a monster. So it is especially hard to lay it down. Or when you get KQo in late position and someone riases in middle position and you are dying to call because you haven't played a hand in 45 minutes but you know you can't call because you know the guys has a strong Ace and you are behind. Then you end up losing $200 just because of all the blinds you posted (especially the big blinds oyu had to fold when people raised and re-raised). Those nites suck the most for me.

People who call a large bet with an inside straight draw and catch it.

[Gocko1525]

i hate poor sportmans ship. it's so wrong when someone gets up and gets out of line. throwing chips and all that kind of stuff. bad beats are part of the game, getting bad cards sucks, but it could happen everyone once and awhile, you can't control the cards, but you can control your behavior.

Originally Posted by HomePokerGames Admin

What is the most aggravating things about poker? For most people it is the bad beats. Getting sucked out on is always something that can send you on tilt. But for me it is the times when you sit down at a table (especially a $10/$20 table or something) and get bad cards for 3 hours straight. If you get a bad beat, at least you were in a hand and had a chance of winning the hand. But when you get bad hands you feel hopeless because you have no chance of even winning a hand. Especially when you get the hands like J-10o in middle position because after getting hands like 7-2o for an hour, J-10o looks like a monster. So it is especially hard to lay it down. Or when you get KQo in late position and someone riases in middle position and you are dying to call because you haven't played a hand in 45 minutes but you know you can't call because you know the guys has a strong Ace and you are behind. Then you end up losing $200 just because of all the blinds you posted (especially the big blinds oyu had to fold when people raised and re-raised). Those nites suck the most for me.

You hit the nail on the head for me.

I agree with Chad -- last night at a home tourney I was sitting on A-K and came in for 4 times the size of the big blind hoping to get a couple of people out (it was later in the game and blinds were pretty big on top of it). The flop A-4-5 I'm thinking who would call such a big preflop raise with a 2-3 3-6 or 6-7? I should be pretty safe. Turn card is an 8 I bet and get reraised. I think to myself, could it be? I look across at the novice I'm playing and lay down my big slick -- correctly, at least. Yup she called the pre-flop raise with 6-7 off suit. Why bother to raise the pot if folks think 6-7 os is such a premium hand?


Oh well. In the long run, loose players that over-value their hands make you money than cost you money but that is soooo aggravating to me!

Jen

[Alaskan]

The most aggravating thing for me in poker has always been the bad beats. Seeing that one damn card out of three that could beat me out of all the chips I've worked for five hours to accumulate simply hurts like hell. But there is a special kind of bad beat that really kills me - when that one guy gets it on me.

My one guy is a guy named Nate. Nate is a decent guy, albeit a little shallow, outside of the poker table. When he sits down at that felt though he turns into his real self. Nate is an angry white suburban boy who wants everyone to know he's there. He does this by coming in every single hand. If I'm lucky, he just calls the big blind and whatever raises come preflop. On a day where he's really pissed or when he's getting a rush of cards he begins to bet preflop, flop, turn, and river with ANYTHING. The bets are astronomical, usually four or five times the size of the pot, and he will not fold if you try to put a move on him.

Now I don't mind this much because Nate's kind is extremely profitable to me. There are many like him in the underaged home games around Seattle, deeply angered children in young men's bodies with money to waste and a gambling addiction to appease. As such, Nate is at many of the games I attend. The biggest pots I have ever won have been from Nate, but also the biggest pot I have ever lost was to Nate. Nate is a player I don't like much as a person (you should carry yourself better than Nate) but also I realize he is essential to my survival.

Guys like Nate wouldn't keep playing though if they didn't have a lucky night once in a while, and unfortunately a lot of Nate's lucky nights have come at my expense. THIS IS THE MOST AGGRAVATING THING ABOUT POKER FOR ME.

The stupid aggression thing can wear you down. I am patient, but watching my A-K flop nothing for the seventh time in a row while Nate pounds away at me can get grating. If Nate were a good aggressive player I'd know I'd have to make a stand sometime soon, with either a move or a disguised monster. With Nate I know I just need to wait for something solid (because he'll call with all manners of drawing crap) and then I let all the chips go in like he so desires.

What aggravates me are those nights where Nate outdraws me simply in every way, and I try to bite my tongue and not say anything. Last week was my greatest test with Nate. Within fifteen minutes I had:

1) My two pair off the flop lose to a set on the river
2) My Q-Q run into K-K (plus a slowroll...gack!)
3) My top pair run into a backdoor straight
4) Another two pair off the turn running into a set on the river
5) My 6s full run into 8s full...on the river

Nate was on the short stack at the beginning, and gradually he took 60% off of my winnings for the night. The lack of class too bugged me - slowrolling, taunting, going over the hand I lost the most on again and again and again...but I kept quiet somehow.


And really, I shouldn't be angry, I should be laughing. Nate pays for the bulk of my bankroll, the expensive gifts I buy my girlfriend, the music equipment my band needs, the two or three times I eat out every week, the expensive sunglasses I wear at games, the movies I rent, and the food I serve to my friends at my own home games.

My poker buddy and I had come from hardworking but poor families before poker, and now we can treat our girlfriends to something nice whenever we like. When we're hanging out and we've got a friend who doesn't have enough to see a movie we can help him out now.

I live extremely well for a high school student and its because of guys that aggravate the shit out of me.

Once again, poker teases...

I caught trapped a guy for an all in with his inside draw against my 2 pair on the turn, and he caught on the river. The guy was betting on everything.

[Alaskan]

I trapped with aces up and he got runner-runner flush.

But...you gotta take the bad beats otherwise no bad players would ever play.

Originally Posted by Alaskan

The most aggravating thing for me in poker has always been the bad beats. Seeing that one damn card out of three that could beat me out of all the chips I've worked for five hours to accumulate simply hurts like hell. But there is a special kind of bad beat that really kills me - when that one guy gets it on me.

My one guy is a guy named Nate. Nate is a decent guy, albeit a little shallow, outside of the poker table. When he sits down at that felt though he turns into his real self. Nate is an angry white suburban boy who wants everyone to know he's there. He does this by coming in every single hand. If I'm lucky, he just calls the big blind and whatever raises come preflop. On a day where he's really pissed or when he's getting a rush of cards he begins to bet preflop, flop, turn, and river with ANYTHING. The bets are astronomical, usually four or five times the size of the pot, and he will not fold if you try to put a move on him.

Now I don't mind this much because Nate's kind is extremely profitable to me. There are many like him in the underaged home games around Seattle, deeply angered children in young men's bodies with money to waste and a gambling addiction to appease. As such, Nate is at many of the games I attend. The biggest pots I have ever won have been from Nate, but also the biggest pot I have ever lost was to Nate. Nate is a player I don't like much as a person (you should carry yourself better than Nate) but also I realize he is essential to my survival.

Guys like Nate wouldn't keep playing though if they didn't have a lucky night once in a while, and unfortunately a lot of Nate's lucky nights have come at my expense. THIS IS THE MOST AGGRAVATING THING ABOUT POKER FOR ME.

The stupid aggression thing can wear you down. I am patient, but watching my A-K flop nothing for the seventh time in a row while Nate pounds away at me can get grating. If Nate were a good aggressive player I'd know I'd have to make a stand sometime soon, with either a move or a disguised monster. With Nate I know I just need to wait for something solid (because he'll call with all manners of drawing crap) and then I let all the chips go in like he so desires.

What aggravates me are those nights where Nate outdraws me simply in every way, and I try to bite my tongue and not say anything. Last week was my greatest test with Nate. Within fifteen minutes I had:

1) My two pair off the flop lose to a set on the river
2) My Q-Q run into K-K (plus a slowroll...gack!)
3) My top pair run into a backdoor straight
4) Another two pair off the turn running into a set on the river
5) My 6s full run into 8s full...on the river

Nate was on the short stack at the beginning, and gradually he took 60% off of my winnings for the night. The lack of class too bugged me - slowrolling, taunting, going over the hand I lost the most on again and again and again...but I kept quiet somehow.


And really, I shouldn't be angry, I should be laughing. Nate pays for the bulk of my bankroll, the expensive gifts I buy my girlfriend, the music equipment my band needs, the two or three times I eat out every week, the expensive sunglasses I wear at games, the movies I rent, and the food I serve to my friends at my own home games.

My poker buddy and I had come from hardworking but poor families before poker, and now we can treat our girlfriends to something nice whenever we like. When we're hanging out and we've got a friend who doesn't have enough to see a movie we can help him out now.

I live extremely well for a high school student and its because of guys that aggravate the shit out of me.

Once again, poker teases...

To tell u the truth my friend u r not a winning poker player if u cant beat "Nate" because if u cant beat an idiot like that then u r the idiot. Learn to play agressive players and stop complaining about it. According to your story "Nate" is just out playing the shit out of u.

[cdjackson]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I agree with Chad -- last night at a home tourney I was sitting on A-K and came in for 4 times the size of the big blind hoping to get a couple of people out (it was later in the game and blinds were pretty big on top of it). The flop A-4-5 I'm thinking who would call such a big preflop raise with a 2-3 3-6 or 6-7? I should be pretty safe. Turn card is an 8 I bet and get reraised. I think to myself, could it be? I look across at the novice I'm playing and lay down my big slick -- correctly, at least. Yup she called the pre-flop raise with 6-7 off suit. Why bother to raise the pot if folks think 6-7 os is such a premium hand?


Oh well. In the long run, loose players that over-value their hands make you money than cost you money but that is soooo aggravating to me!

Jen

Q4T

I agree, It's hard to play with people who don't know the "proper" way to play.....lol

For me, it was at the final table of a tourney on PokerStars. Grrrrrr.........

Sitting in 2nd chip position with just 5 people left in the tourney, I am dealt A7o, and I raise in position to $65,000. The chip leader calls me. Makes me nervous holding a moderately weak ace, but I still feel ok. The flop comes AA7. He checks to me. I bet another $65,000. He goes all in. I can't get my chips in fast enough. The cards get turned over and I'm proud when he sees aces full. He shows JJ. I know I'm golden, and will be the new chip leader

Turn comes a J. I figured, whatever. I've got a boat, he's got a set of jacks. The is only one card left in the deck he can catch to win. WHAM! There's the fourth jack on the river!!!!!!!!!!! I could not believe it. I've flopped a set plenty of times and lost, hell even flushes and straights, but I had never, and still havent, flopped aces full and lost! Not only that, it knocked me out of the tourney in 5th place. ARGH!!!!!!!!! I still shake my head every time I think about that hand. Thats as close to winning one of those tourneys as I've come

[cdjackson]

^^^^^^ tough loss

You have to look at a real-life example. Mr. Huckseed is a professional player and him as well as Daniel Negreanu will call with those kind of hands because they know they may get a large chunk of your stack when you get married to your hand. It's not a bad play, loose, but not bad. When you know it's limits it's a good play.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

You have to look at a real-life example. Mr. Huckseed is a professional player and him as well as Daniel Negreanu will call with those kind of hands because they know they may get a large chunk of your stack when you get married to your hand. It's not a bad play, loose, but not bad. When you know it's limits it's a good play.

Every once in a while I will hang on to a 9 10 off or a 67suited to see a flop for a limp. If there are no face cards on the flop, you could have a winner. If everyone else is in the hand, the chances are that most of them have an A or some other overcards, so you probably won't see any come to the flop. Playing only overcards in the pocket will never win you the game consistently, (unless you can bluff really well.) Having 2 overcards in your hand is a rare occurance. Having them hit the flop could be even more rare. While everyone else only plays aces, I'll play most cards (8-K), but not the A. That way if there is no A on the community, I can either hit a hand of bluff because no one else got the A that they were hoping for.

[Ace Mahoney]

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I agree with Chad -- last night at a home tourney I was sitting on A-K and came in for 4 times the size of the big blind hoping to get a couple of people out (it was later in the game and blinds were pretty big on top of it). The flop A-4-5 I'm thinking who would call such a big preflop raise with a 2-3 3-6 or 6-7? I should be pretty safe. Turn card is an 8 I bet and get reraised. I think to myself, could it be? I look across at the novice I'm playing and lay down my big slick -- correctly, at least. Yup she called the pre-flop raise with 6-7 off suit. Why bother to raise the pot if folks think 6-7 os is such a premium hand?


Oh well. In the long run, loose players that over-value their hands make you money than cost you money but that is soooo aggravating to me!

Jen

Well in response to that. Different people like to play different hands. Some don't care they will bet anyway. I know people who will bet or raise anything just to push if they are up. Also you need to take into account how the cards are falling, what kind of flops your getting. If your getting a certain kind of flop consistently with low cards. 6-7 could be gold. It comes down to people and how they play their hand. With low blinds I would play 6-7 off and see a flop. but I would not call a raise with it. I like seeing flops, sometimes you get lucky and hit big.

[MeanSon]

I can deal with bad beats. Bad beats happen and there is nothing you can do about it but move on to the next hand. The most aggravating thing for ME is a losing streak. I am at a real low point right now and it is very frustrating. I know I can play better than I am; and I don't let myself play on tilt, but I'm just losing anyway. All week long, someone has been one-up on me. I chase them down with A8, they have A9... I buy my way to a flush, they make a boat.

Ok... I'm contradicting my bad beats theory by including those examples... maybe no one will notice.

[herbiedeals]

Originally Posted by MeanSon

I can deal with bad beats. Bad beats happen and there is nothing you can do about it but move on to the next hand. The most aggravating thing for ME is a losing streak. I am at a real low point right now and it is very frustrating. I know I can play better than I am; and I don't let myself play on tilt, but I'm just losing anyway. All week long, someone has been one-up on me. I chase them down with A8, they have A9... I buy my way to a flush, they make a boat.

Ok... I'm contradicting my bad beats theory by including those examples... maybe no one will notice.

Do you really think that Ace 8 is a good starting hand. Look how many hands beat you and if you have callers in the pot you can bet there are other aces out there. Good chance with better kickers.


Herb

for me, its sitting at at tourney with inexperienced players that you cannot bet enough to get them to lay down the flush and str8 draws. people who overvalue there cards and hands are the most dangerous to play against. Experienced players expect certain reactions from there opponents based on there reads. I was in a tourney looking to double up my stack. I raised preflop and every card there after. I had a crap hand, however. I knew my opponent had a very weak hand. the board showed A,K,3 on flop, 10 on turn and Q on river. This yahoo called a total of 5000 in chips with 5,10 down.

it wasn't a read he had on me, it was he was an idiot.

It easy to adjust your playing style to eliminate morons like this, but when you sit across from someone you haven't played before, beware of ignorance, I play large tourneys, very often, and this seems to be the trend. Most of these players have no idea what there doing, the only experience they have is what they see on TV.

Poker is about making correct decisions. when it all pans out, the better and more experienced players will float to the top, luck only gets ya so far.


My 2 cents.

Playing with idiots is part of poker and makes us better players. It's like blaming a black jack loss on the moron who hits 18 playing to your right. That's why there still exists a huge element of luck in poker and why even the best player will be beat by a newbie on a bad day. When playing with an idiot, you need to play that against him/her and take their money.












QUOTE=Unregistered]for me, its sitting at at tourney with inexperienced players that you cannot bet enough to get them to lay down the flush and str8 draws. people who overvalue there cards and hands are the most dangerous to play against. Experienced players expect certain reactions from there opponents based on there reads. I was in a tourney looking to double up my stack. I raised preflop and every card there after. I had a crap hand, however. I knew my opponent had a very weak hand. the board showed A,K,3 on flop, 10 on turn and Q on river. This yahoo called a total of 5000 in chips with 5,10 down.

it wasn't a read he had on me, it was he was an idiot.

It easy to adjust your playing style to eliminate morons like this, but when you sit across from someone you haven't played before, beware of ignorance, I play large tourneys, very often, and this seems to be the trend. Most of these players have no idea what there doing, the only experience they have is what they see on TV.

Poker is about making correct decisions. when it all pans out, the better and more experienced players will float to the top, luck only gets ya so far.


My 2 cents.[/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by herbiedeals

Do you really think that Ace 8 is a good starting hand. Look how many hands beat you and if you have callers in the pot you can bet there are other aces out there. Good chance with better kickers.


Herb

Depending on position A-8 might or might not be worth a bet. A-8 suited is obviously more playable. I stick with A-9 as long as there isn't a raise in front of me but I typically lay it down in positions 1-4.

[Hafa0]

Last Sat nite, was at heads up (final 2) had about 60$ chips , other person had 80$, got pocket J's , bet all in he called me with 2C, 4D. Flop came 7D,
4S, 4H, ended losing to a set of 4's , now thats crazy!!!!! But again thats poker, right? It takes all kind, but would do the same call everytime!

Those kind of hands make you wonder if there is any base dealing going on.

[Soyuz]

A bit harsh Unregistered but I take your point. Most people would kill to have a fish like 'Nate' playing at their table - occasionally he'll occasionally win a big pot from you by chasing down shit to the river but if you can't turn a serious profit against this chump then you need to look at your own game.

Getting Bored and not paying attension. How many times I missed players that where still in and not paying attension to them.

Just cause your out, Does not mean you don't stop playing.

[lollipop]

Bad beats are part of poker. Some days I am the bug and some days I am the windshield. Whether online or live, poker is gambling. If you can consistently put someone on only HIGH cards, then that is the 'tell'. There are two ways to play poker - 1st, Win the Hand - 2nd, Win the Game/Money. The toughest thing in poker is to lay-down a perceived great hand when you know you've been 'sucked out'. There are a couple of chapters in Super System 2 that are excellent for understanding the 'new player'; the donkey who calls everything and wins some big pots by drawing out. If 'any two cards' is not your style of poker, then just learn to spot this type of player and avoid getting in hands with them, they will race you to the river more often than not. If you are in a cash game, pick your battles wisely - it's not just about your position, it's about who is 'in' or 'out' of the hand too. A lot of new players have never read any poker therory books, they don't know about 'position', preflop raises, etc... they just want to get their chips in the pot so they can 'maybe' pull it off.
I played in a cash game (at a casino) with a guy that absolutely irritated EVERYONE, even the dealer. He called every hand, he raised (pot builder) every hand. He was borderline rude to everyone and just a jerk of a person. But he knew what he was doing - he was pissing off the table so he could get people into pots to try and knock him off. He made more than 700 dollars in the 30 minutes I was at the table with him. He even took about 50 bucks from me (and I am a tight player). He made people at the table play his game, rather than playing their own. I sat out and watched for another 30 minutes, and he cracked AA, KK, QQ - at that point I couldn't watch the train-wreck anymore.
Bottom line - bad beats suck, whether I am getting the beating or giving it. I try to be a good sport about it, say 'nice hand' and just make a mental note of who is a calling machine.

[Dlock09]

I just joined this site and seems awesome. I cant get enough poker. I completely agree with the Administrator. Bad beats are part of the game and what goes around comes around. It's cold cards that kill you, especially when its only 4-6 handed, because you put in blinds every couple hands. That's why you gotta bluff :-) Btw i left a post in the Introduce yourself section concerning card dealing. If anyone is a professional or knows how/where to get employed/trained or whatever, please contact me.

[mikethegod]

when you can not find a game win or lose its a good time if its not fixed and do not play poker online going to play some real poker tonight i wish me luck but good players do not need luck all we need are some good hands and ppl to think we are full of shi- well i am off to the game party long and hard live free or die

[buck22]

Myself, ultimately. There are things generally that aggrevate players, but poker is perfect, its the players that need to change. If there were no bad beats noone would play you. If there were no calling stations that flopped flush would never get paid off. If there were no donkeys, everyone would lose money. The only thing that really stirs me up in poker is when i am out-played.

[lytstephen]

I understand perfectly that bad beats are exactly the reason we get paid - cause if they can't bad beat on us they'll never play. Moreover, a bad beat means it was +EV for us to start with. But...

4tables on Absolute Poker:

AA PF 4bet raised and got shoved by KK, called, K came on the turn
KK PF 3bet raised and got shoved by 99, called, K99 is the flop. go figure.
hit 2 pairs on the flop, shoved on the turn got called by A2s no pair, flushed the river.
hit nut str8 on the turn, got shoved by A8s no pair, called, flushed the river.

All in a less than one hour stretch.

When the first one happened, I laughed. The second one happened, I laughed even harder. Third one happened, I started steaming a little. By the fourth one, I had to take a break.

Funny enough, I still managed to get up one BI for the day after 3 hours with no bad beats from me. Go figure fish are too plenty, so don't tap the aquarium no matter what. Suck it up like a man.

[Palmer1287]

The thing that aggravates me the most is making crafty plays against blind players.. and then not learn from the mistake. My biggest weakness in a game is realizing a player doesn't look at the texture of the flop. Just how it relates to his hand, you can't bluff that. I get angry with the player for making calls that he had no buisness calling, in my mind, to him he didn't even register my bet ponder on what I had, if it could beat his bottom pair. No he had a piece and he came to play. My aggravation is throwing good money after bad. Ends up ruining the whole session for me. The only thing that pisses me off more.... Two of these types on a table whipsawing the bet so fast that you lay your hand down, only to see q high win.