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Joshua Akers, 20, Indiana 05-16-05 06:00 PM

Straight up, I watched the movie "High Roller" and I thought it was a pretty decent movie, so i went out and bought it. Unlike some people, I didn't buy it to learn every detail about Stuey Ungar, if i wanted to do that I would read a biography or something of that sort. I added it to my collection of other "man movies", i guess you could call it that (Scarface, Rounders, Pulp Fiction) stuff like that. It may be accurate, it may not, but i looked at it as a fictonal movie based on a real man. Second of all, I actually started reading all of these postings from like the last year, and most of the questions the majority of you all are asking, are somewhere on this page, just take the time to read through it. From what I have heard of Stu Ungar from articles and from different slots on ESPN, I believe he was a great in card playing. But I don't think most of you actually stop and think that he was a man. A normal man that had a normal family. He was very gifted when it came to cards, and he was awfully blessed to be able to do something he loved and enjoyed for a living, most of us aren't able to do that. About the drug thing, that was just something he did. The only reason people want to make a big deal about it is because he was so famous. There are millions of people that die every year over drugs, and people trash talk them like they are so horrible because they died from them. But what about the one's that did just as many drugs, but they happened to die from something eles (car accident, murder, etc.) They are classified differently just because they died from a different reason, but the habit was still there. I know i'm kind of clashing things together here, mostly because i'm not used to posting responses to forums, but when i type the word "Poker" into a search engine and the very first site that comes up is this one, and I read the things people have said on here, it kind of got me rowled up. Bottom line, every person is responsible for they're own life. And what they do is nobody's business but their's and God's. And i believe that every man's true purpose is to take care of their wife and kids, as long as they die doing that, and giving them all they love that they possible can, then I give them a tremendous amount of respect, poker player or not. To Stefanie Ungar, her family, and any other person out there that had the pleasure of knowing this "man" my prayers go out to you. Thanks for reading.

V.I.P. HOST 05-17-05 06:00 PM

Stefanie, thanks for the recent emails & calls, very sorry that Candice did NOT believe you were whom you said you were........If you still need Suite @ RIO for W.S.O.P. all you need to do is Email me via [url]www.davidnigh.com[/url] & I will Personally get it handled for you......Aplogize for any inconvienence.....D. Nigh

dirk diggler 05-17-05 06:00 PM

Poker God! Stu Is The Man! He Is My Hero!

Stefanie Ungar 05-17-05 06:00 PM

Dear David, I never called you or Emailed you. People have been Pretending to be me lately. So just beware. I would never need a suite at the Rio and I wouldn't need you to get it for me either. I have my own connections especially with my Dad's book being released at that time it wouldn't be any problem. But sorry I can't help you out with the pictures of my dad for your website. Takecare, Stefanie

kent in atl 05-17-05 06:00 PM

Stephanie, I just want to say that I admire you for being the kind of daughter anyone would be proud to have. I have played cards "Gin" and Poker for a long time 24yrs regular and with the extreme highs and lows comes the rush and let downs that adrenaline addicts only understand. I do understand the demons of addiction and the way you explain it gives your father and others like me a sense of human frailty. I stayed clean for 18 years (I am 42 yr old) only to fall back into the fast life and replace one addiction for another. I became a Nurse after recovery and hate the "grind" of life and often chase after the thrill that I feel your father chased or as I feel was born too (and even more scary he obtained it). My 12 yr old son was taken to another State by his mom (kidnapped) and I rarely even get to talk to him. I am still clean but miserable (you speak of this feeling I have now well when describing your father). You were lucky to get to know him and I hope and pray I will get to see my son more some day (his Mother obviously is not as nice as yours). I am sucessful but unhappy except for the one thing in life that gives me joy and that is my Son. I know your Father must have felt the same way about you and he is looking down... or better yet... through your eyes and reaching others like me. Please keep it up... not everyone understands the way you do. I did not like the movie and I do look forward to reading your Father's book and seeing a true story about his genius and what drove him. He was blessed to have you and I am sure your Mother played a major major role in your excellent nature as well. God bless. [email]kentrn@bellsouth.net[/email]

Mike/Mike/junior1308 05-19-05 06:00 PM

Like many of the other postings here in this forum in the beginning I want say, that Stu Ungar in his prime time was the best NL-Holdem player ever alive! There is no doubt about this. And he was the best gin rummy player in the world as well. But .... once you know, that your are best and once you know, that you can earn money as often and as much you want, the problems will arise. For him and for anybody else. I'm 100% sure about that. Everybody else would fall in those traps as well. It could begin with women, parties and sportsbetting and it might end with drugs and other bad things. Nobody in the whole world (IMO) has so much discipline to stand all these dangers and traps, once he knows that his abilities will probably get him back out of this easily by playing cards again or whatever he is mastering. But then the devil circle begins slowly and sooner or later you lose your game a little bit and you feel attracted even more to those traps (eg. drugs) and you'll reach the point, where there is no return to the right and straight way, where you originally came from. In the beginning of the 90's I have been living in Las Vegas and I was playing Poker for living. I was playing every day. Day in and day out @ Binion's Horseshoe downtown. Allthough I have never been sitting on the same table with Stu Ungar (while he was playing high stakes, I was playing baby limits), at those times he was there every day as well. He was winning a lot by playing cards and he was losing a lot by betting sports. I have seen him betting more money on one quarter of a NBA game at the Golden Nugget than many people will ever have in their entired life. I've seen it with my own eyes!For Stefanie: At those times your father has been playing a lot with/against the following guys and for collecting details for the book or a film those guys would definitely be able to add some stories: Doyle Brunson, Jonny Chan, Chip Reese, Bobby Baldwin. Another guy, who was hanging around with your dad a lot in those days was Micky Appleman. He probably could give you the most input.

fabian 05-20-05 06:00 PM

hi stefanie yea frogs and shirley are still together even engaged hahaha had to see it comin anyways yea i am a fan of your fathers i also found out when your dad used to play at the dunes along time ago my when we owened the barber shop my dad used to cut his hair just a funny story anyways i hope everythings good with ya and dont listen to these people that are jerks well later

zakstar 05-22-05 06:00 PM

It's obvious why the guy was the best ever NL player. When you have a great poker mind, great intuition and total disregard for money this spells trouble for any opponent.

pocketrockets 05-22-05 06:00 PM

When it comes to Poker and the possibilities of the human mind, Stuey will always be one of my heros. I love the stories, the slick moves, the awesome calls and the unrivaled confidence. Stuey showed us the possibilities for excellence in the human mind and the tragedy of human weakness. Thanks Stu. Wish you were still with us. Look'n forward to the biography.Respectfully,Jamie Reeves TorontoCanada

Hurricane_Ivan 05-23-05 06:00 PM

Hi Stefanie, its nice to see you take time out of your life and respond to everyone that has a comment. My question to you Stefanie is how and when did you become so close with Christ? You seem like such a down to earth and old fashion type girl Stef. heres my e-mail address ivan_the_hurricane@yahoo

Cyberjesus 05-23-05 06:00 PM

Hey i wonder who gives a fuck about christ and religion? These fucks are responsible for the millions ofbrainwashed degenerates in the world today.

tim 05-24-05 06:00 PM

What many people seem to forget or maybe don't know is that Amirillo Slim used to hold events known as the Superbowl of Poker, which was also a $10,000 buy-in event that all the top players used to participate in. Stu won that event 3 times!! not to mention his 3 World Series wins. A feat that was never duplicated - so it amazes me that people would not put this man in a class of his own. I just can't even imagine how many more tournaments he would have won if he was still alive. Stef, please keep us updated on the release date of the book.

gmctruckman1951 05-24-05 06:00 PM

I went to Barnes and Noble book store in my home town and they said publication of your book is delayed because Simon and Schuster set the date for release to May 2006 becase they were publishing books on the dead pope

Stefanie Ungar 05-25-05 06:00 PM

It was changed. The new release date is June 28th. No longer June 19th. If it happens to change again (which I doubt) I'll keep you posted.

stylistic 05-27-05 06:00 PM

[url]http://i.imdb.com/mptv1.gif[/url] perfect guy to play the kid ungar ;)

Peter Alson 05-27-05 06:00 PM

Hello everyone. My name is Peter Alson and I am the co-author, along with Nolan Dalla, of Stuey Ungar's biography, One of a Kind, The Rise and Fall of Stuey "The Kid" Ungar, the World's Greatest Poker Player. The book will be released on June 28th, and Nolan Dalla and I will both be in Las Vegas, at the World Series of Poker, a fitting place and occasion to mark the publication of the book. I am happy to answer any questions I can about the book and about anything else having to do with Stuey. Hello, Stefanie. Say hi to your mom, and I'll see you both soon in Las Vegas.

marciej13 05-28-05 06:00 PM

stefanie, my son is to do a report about history of las vegas, to tell you the truth, I had no idea whom your father was until my 13 yr old told me, anyways,I haven't mentioned it to him, but can you email me, I'd like to ask a couple of questions. I'd really appreciate it. Thanks, Marcie

Unregistered 05-30-05 06:00 PM

I think Greg Raymer and Chris Moneymaker are the new Stu Ungers of the this generation.....go Greg and Chris!!!! Who Ya!!

Unregistered 05-30-05 06:00 PM

How Greg Raymer and Chris Moneymaker mud wrestling for cash? Wouldn't that be a site to see? Both wearing their matching batman underwear with goldfish on them....how cool.

Douche Bag Boyd 05-30-05 06:00 PM

Stupid fuck. Gaymer and MoneyFaker the next Stu???? Both were last seen spending their entire wsop winnings at the gay buffet.-----Who Ya! Shove another corn cob up my ass Chris!

jensenst1d 06-01-05 06:00 PM

hey sweety. and by that i mean stueys daughter. i just barey read about ur father. but i want to say that i strive to be like the card pla yer he was. i had a mother addict for most of the years of my life so i know what u went through. i have to say that just from what i have read that ur daddy was the best player ever. without a doubt. i know u loved him but believe him when he said that his disease ha d him stringer then u can think. i wanna be ur daddy. he gives me so much inspiration. i feel like i can be him. the way he played anyways. sorry dont mean to hurt ur feelings or bring up any bad memories but ur daddy was the best

gerry. 06-02-05 06:00 PM

Stefanie,I never met your dad, or played with him. But as a poker player I sure heard of him plenty. I used to sit back and listen to stories of how he could perform amazing feats at the poker table. One that amazed me the most is how he called an all in bet with a Ten high, because he read his opponents play so well. For your sake, I hope that you take comfort in the knowledge that so many people, all over the world loved him. Yes, we all know about his vices, and we have all had our vices. But let me tell you a short story. I was playing poker in eastern Europe once, in Slovenia. I recall the conversation moved onto who the worlds best tournament players were, and as soon as it did that, your Dad's name came up. Amazing. A place so far away, and yet even there I heard people speaking admirably of your father. My parents passed away when I was young also, and just remember, they are not completely gone if they are alive in your heart and memories. Nevermind the bad times, just remember the brilliance that your dad showed the world for the short time he was with us. God bless you.I look forward to reading your book about your dad Stephanie. Gerry

Frank-da-bank 06-02-05 06:00 PM

to the guy saying he is author of book, i was wondering if there will be anything in book about rumers of stu being bisexual. I heard about it from a few people, he had a guy he called uncle phil, who he was involved with, a big bald older guy. Is it true and is it in boook. also is release date definite. thanks

gulfport@gmail.com 06-02-05 06:00 PM

Hey Stefanie.

I just realized that you might have this thread bookmarked instead of the open Stu Ungar forum, thus might not have seen my message. I posted a thread regarding an upcoming project I am doing involving Mr Ungar.

[url]http://www.homepokergames.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=37263[/url]

Link There, hope to hear from ya either way.

rhenzo 06-03-05 06:00 PM

Unger bi??? He was great player, but if around now, he would have tougher time. In past five years participation in Poker has probably tripled, way more competition, new guyentering every year, and they are good.I hope book has something new, instead of: Unger was a geniousunger was math expertunger did drugsetc., etc.,....His daughter hardly knew him, and authors only knew him in his final years. an't see anything new in book, maybe some minor stuff added to things already repeated a thousand times. The bi-sexual thing is news though.

debona314 06-04-05 06:00 PM

Stefanie,I am a SAG actor and I have worked on law and order and Sopranos shows that Michael Imperioli has been on. I know that you are not behind the movie that he starred in as your father and you have your own movie in the works to go along with the book that is going to be release at this years WSOP. Question for you - What actor do you want to see portray your father? Why? I would love to audition for that movie, the movie that you support. Maybe you could even have some of it filmed in New York. e-mail me

jj 06-04-05 06:00 PM

talent and ability stand up over all things. as proved by the late, great stu ungar. truly a genius, you are sorely missed. stay strong stefanie,kind regards, jj

Frank-Da-Bank 06-04-05 06:00 PM

No answer on the bi question, I found release date.guess bi sexual nature of ungar is off limits here. Bald phil, or uncle phil, or whatever you will call him in book was chased out of New York by mob in 1985 cause of being gay, rumours of him and stuey circulated. It may not be true, both dated madaline stueys wife, before she ,married ungar.I liked the movie that was out on him, they still show it on STARz network.

flash37flash 06-05-05 06:00 PM

His name is Tartaglia not taglia. I am talking about stus friend boyfriend or whatever. he has been identified in articles as being with genovese crime family, but book called the vatican connection by former detective joe coffey says he is member of bonnano family. anyone know about this??

sy. 06-05-05 06:00 PM

Ungar was known in vegas as being bi-sexual, why it's being kept a secret is beyond me, it's not a big deal

Stefanie Ungar 06-06-05 06:00 PM

I really don't care to write you back brooklyn aveN. You have the same IP # as the one who is writting saing my dad was bisexual. And by the way my dad never left at anytime in my life, that is until he passed away.

marciej13 06-06-05 06:00 PM

Stefanie, I am not sure if you read me message above, but can you email me so we can communicate me privately. I'd rather not have everybody "talk mess" about our conversation. marciej13@yahoo

Wanabe 06-06-05 06:00 PM

ROFLMAO Greg Raymer and Moneymaker the best!?!? HAHAH moneymaker is in last place in the tournament with all the top players playing against eachother on TV. Greg got lucky... Anyone can get a lucky streak of cards. When one of them wins as many big tournaments as stu did in the amount of tournaments stu won them in than you might be able to say they are great players. until than i hope they write some books for you to read and than you come and sit down at the poker table so i can take your money. thanks have a good one !!

tim 06-06-05 06:00 PM

I can't even believe people are discussing Raymer and Moneymaker on Stuy's board, its a joke! You can ask any of the most respected players in the game today and both of those guys won't even be in their top 50. GUARANTEED.

Stefanie Ungar 06-06-05 06:00 PM

It is kind of hiliarious reading this stuff sometimes. I have to tell you you that. Me and my mom stated cracking up when I told her what was being talked about on this website. Anyway, please don't speak for me and say I "hardly knew my dad" because you all only know what you know from reading articles written on my dad. And in those articles ( 9 out of 10 of them) talks about how close were anyway. Kent, I got your message. I've been meaning to write you back sooner. You ask how I am the way that I am. I have to give all the credit to God for keeping his hand on me especially the past 5 years of my life. I have gone through some pretty tough times (not even mentioning my dad's death) after I realized that I had to invite Jesus into my life to help me work through my problems and everydays struggles that we all deal with that is when I saw my WHOLE life change. Trust me, I am not some (as they say) Jesus Freak but all I am telling you is what truly worked for me. I am only speaking for myself before some of you come at me with some crazy comments (which has been happening lately). But oh well what can I do. Hope you all are talking good care of yourselves. Kent I just wanted to say I think that's really cool you have been clean so long. Don't worry about falling from the last time. The most important thing is that you had a choice to stay in that lifestyle and you choose not to and you got bach up. That is the most important thing of all. Everything will work out with you and your son. Just give it to God and you'll see. Takecare. Stefanie

Kent 06-06-05 06:00 PM

Thanks Stefanie, Some live like Christians and others talk about it. My X is one of those PK (Preachers Kid) literally who have God as their reason for doing what they do. It can make it hard sometimes to trust in the same or whatever...znother fourm...anyway... Thank you for your response. I am sure you have been kept well grounded and sound like a very mature Christian for your age. Most of all from your writing I know you loved and do love your father which gives me hope... All I can say is I can understand a little from his perspective and he was lucky to have you and an ex wife like your mother. Thanks again and please keep writing in this column. Your Father was a fascinating and gifted person people should know the truth. I can't wait to read the book and hope they make a "Good...True" movie about him. Hug your Mom for me I am sure she had a lot to do with the wonderful peson you seem to be. Kent

Kent to Peter Alson 06-06-05 06:00 PM

Peter, Thank you for what I believe will be a Fascinating book. My question is how much of it comes from Stu's own writing prior to his passing and how much came from "credible" witness acounts like Stephanie's and "true" friends that were not out to take from his talent and continue to spin yarns to profit from him at his expense? As you can see from this website a lot of things get made up and I was truly disappointed by the recent movie which I now know had no credibility. Also, has the WSOP recognized any formal intro or link to this years WSOP and recognition of the greatest WSOP champ of all time? Thanks for taking time to write here. Can't wait for the book. a link to where we can pre-order would be nice as well. Kent

Kent P.S. Peter Alson 06-06-05 06:00 PM

If you do not want to post links in this forum you can forward them to my e-mail at [email]kentrn@bellsouth.net[/email] Wish I could be in Vegas to get an autographed copy. Thanks again

Unregistered 06-06-05 06:00 PM

Greg Raymer and Moneymaker are the Gods of Poker...that's why they have their own website PokerStars.com. I can't see anyone playing better than these two players...they are the best I've seen. I feel that they are excellent role models for up and coming players.

jj. 06-06-05 06:00 PM

raymer and moneymaker gods of poker? haha. you imbecile. raymer is good but as for moneymaker. answer me this. where did moneymaker finish in the 2004 main event? clue; he wasnt in the second day.


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