The site is juiced/rigged!!! I can't believe anyone has any doubts about it still. All the BS propaganda they dish out about how we see more hands online and BLAH BLAH BLAH --- confuses some people. But remember since we see more hands online then we should also see more of a distribution of crap hands or non-monsters; i.e. K high or 10 high or a pair of 4s or Js winning the pot, etc.! You know how many times I have had Qs busted by crap starting hands of donks who stay in the pot, and get "lucky". This site is a joke. I would not blink if I haeard a few years from now an expose on this site and others about how they had players on the tables who were in conspiracy to steal monies from other legitimate players and could either see others' cards or were able to manipulate the RNG. Not saying it is happening buy I am just saying I would not be surprised to hear it someday like we hear about other corruption and fraud in the news years after it occurs.

THIS FLOP SUMS UP FULL TILT PERFECTLY.
On the Bubble in a 120 player tournament:
I have A8, button raises, gets one caller, I fold. The flop is A K 8. button goes all in, the other guy calls all in. The button has AK!!!!!. The other guy also has A8!!!! So if I had of called the all in, there would have been 3 of us with 2 pair on the flop and tell me who would have folded that???? The Ace that hit on the flop was a 1 outer. This is just a typical full tilt 'setup action hand' which occurs ALL THE TIME. Yeh, sure, this site is random.......

gonna start playing at Harrah's Horseshoe in Indiana. Will report back with comparisons to Full-Rigged-Tilt !

I think I'm going to have to make a habit of running up to Turning Stone one every week.
I went up there yesterday and played in a $75 buy-in tourney (You also have the option to get an extra 500 chips for $15. And everyone does that seeing as you only start with 1500)
Anyway, I sit down, and I get off to a slow start. Card dead and I lost one hand where I had KJ to a guy with KQ. Not a big deal. I got hot after a bit and again, it seemed like almost everytime I had the best hand it held up.
I lost a couple of coin flips here and there, but still, that's going to happen.
I finished 4th and walked off with $835. So I went down to the $100NL tables and played for a few hours. Didn't make much but I didn't lose any either.
Today I played for another 5 or 6 hours at the $100NL table and walked away with just over $500.

The last 2 times I've been to Turning Stone, I won just over $2000. I can honestly say I have NEVER come close to winning that online, and I've played online far more than live. Granted I play lower stakes on line but still. I think the most I ever cashed out was about $220 from Party Poker years ago. And then of course I couldn't catch anything afterward.

Online poker sucks. I HATE it, and I can honestly say after my last two trips to the casino I will NEVER play online poker again. I've proven to myself (despite what online advocates say) that I am a winning player. I'd rather see the cards come from the top of the deck, look at my opponents reactions to the cards hitting the board, and being able to see the dealer.

I may lose money the next time I play in a live game, but at least I know it's honest and I'm not relying on some "Random" number generator, that's anything but random.

I've continued to play once a week at Star City Casino in Sydney and I continue doing quite nicely with an ROI of about 170%. There are some bad beats at the casino, sure, but not as regularly and I also give out about the same amount of bad beats.

I played on Full Tilt this weekend and got bad beated out of 5 tournaments I played in. The majority of the time I go into a showdown with the best of it, but lose the majority of showdowns. My opponent always seem to catch their cards.

Hey ant8472 i didnt know you were from Sydney. I played at Star City about 2 months ago on the $1/$2 table 9 player and I went all in (about 2am - ready to sleep!) $80 with AJ suited. It was almost a family pot with 5 players in it and my jack hit on the flop and held up all the way for a nice collect. Sure one pair is not a strong hand but like someone on here alrady said we should see the weak hands hold up just as much as the monster ones do, which doesnt happen on full tilt. In my opinion that is the major difference between brick and mortar poker and online bingo poker.

It is just unbelievable. And every update they do it becomes even more outrageous.
Hand that is behind goes ahead 70% of the time.
There is just no denying it.

Hey all, i've been playing this joke of a site for a few years now (fake money though - originaly i had problems depositing then i saw what it was like) and was refered to sites like this 1. I have been watching these posts and laughing to myself at other peoples beat stories thinking that's EXACTLY my experience of this site. Its always the hotseat system on the tables in that some people will be able to always win and some will always lose on either the sngs or the ring games and its at the sites descression as to who it chosses (often lose players with big stacks get more than there fair share of the turn in the hot seat though). I have noticed that the designers have rigged the programming in a cunning way to so as not to make it overly suspicious though. I estimate that about 75% of a hands the average player recieves have true odd on them. However, it is the 25% of hands that are rigged like clockwork that decide if you have a winning or losing session. The most rediculous part of this site is the part of the programing that increases your opponants chances of hitting between about 5 fold because you have a big hand (top set, top 2p, the nut strait or flush, ect). Also in the specific example of a 3 handed post flop pot the hand that would conventionaly be the least likely to win is the most likely to win on this site. This kind of example illistrates the point clearly: I had 86o and folded to a raise pre flop. flop comes 723 with 2 suited cards (none of mine). it gets raises and there is a caller heads up at this point. Turn 4. river 5 with no possible flush to give me the runner runner nuts had i played. The original raiser ended up having 77 for top set and the caller had 45 for the draw. note that had i played i was the least likely to win and yet would have - a routine phenomenon on this site. Btw i have taken to playing at the cassino here and have noticed that alhough similarities exist the is a vast difference in the amount of suck outs that happen online vs live. To summarise: this site is a joke and should be treated as such.

I don't know if this will help anyone, but about a month or so ago I put a nother 50 bucks in on a night where i was really bored. I've basically made it a rule that I play no more then 2 games a night. And usually, if I money in the first, I don't even bother with a second.

I'm also limiting my games to ten dollar ones. Sure, you deal with more donks, but it seems to make it more enjoyable. I actually got a new laptop and broke my rule the other night, I went all the way down to 130 before rallying back over 200.

I still am torn a bit to if I think the sight is rigged. I know its not as it should be, but part of me believes its because there is no such thing as a random card/number generator. Patterns always emerge.

I don't know if this is Full Tilt is actively rigging, but it is flawed and nowhere near the real game.

The other night I kept getting A and Mid Card.... Flop twice came 2 aces and whatever. Now the odds of someone else having an ace are pretty rare, but every time someone not only had an ace, they hit their other card for a full house.

I was beginning to think along the same lines jaywepp. Maybe Full Tilt isnt rigging the deal, maybe there is no such thing as a true random number generator and what they are using is "close enough'. Close enough is good enough, right? If you read every post about every site on here there are plenty of people claiming that each site is rigged. Is every site risking their reputations by rigging the deal the EXACT same way as each other? Or is it just a conincidence because there is no such thing as a true RNG? I dont know what is more damaging to the reputation of full tilt or any online poker, a rigged rng or the fact that there is no such thing as a truly random number generator? Maybe Full Tilt isnt rigged, maybe the whole concept of online poker is flawed? Perhaps the US government know something we dont and that is why they do not classify it as a game of skill and have put such harsh restrictions on it?

played a tournament with 2700 players. So I am 88 of 230 and dealt 6s. Short stack is all in PF. BB = 1000Flop is 6 and Jc 8c with the all in and one donk left (who had been making terrible calls all day and sucking out cards from full rigged's RNG). So the turn is a club. 3 clubs on board. I bet all in (8000) and donk with 17000 chip stack calls. In other words he risks 1/2 his chips. He has a Kc and low kicker. FOUR clubs with ONE card to come and he calls my all in bet. Of coruse if the board pairs he is toast so some of his clubs are not even in play. GUESS WHAT THE Fking RIVER CARD WAS?! Yep FULL RIGGEd delivers the low probability river card. Yep he gets a 4th club on the board to win with Kc/4! It's not even fun to play on FriggedT. This was the first game in about 3 weeks and it was a freeroll tournament for a DVD. But the point is you can't play real poker or improve your game on this rigged donk site. I knew soon as the thrid club came out and we showed the cards this retard would suck out his LONG shot.

Fuck!!!! Is just sick.
Went to play for 5 minutes. 2nd hand I have pocket Ks. Lot of betting and guy w 10 10 catches 10 on river.
2 hands later - have AK - A on flop - guy w QQ keeps calling and catches Q on river.
Next hand!!! have QQ and guy w 7 9 catches gut shot on river.

I was working at the computer earlier today and decided to play a $1 tournament. 800 players and the I am dealt 4h5s at about the 12th hand. Three players see the flop which is 6s 7s 3h . Yep I flopped a straight. So how to I get paid for this hand. BB bets pot and I just call. Guy to my left calls. Turn is 6h. one player bets minimum and I raise to 900 chips and get a re-raise from player to my left, and I re-raise all in. He calls with Kh8h. So after the flop he had a 7% chance and he "improves" to 18% to beat my flopped straight on the river. Anyone have a guess what the f-uck this scam poker site dealt this donk on the river??!! Yep he gets the miracle 10 hearts and I am knocked out of tournament. This is the last hand I will ever play on this donk site. It's no fun even for a buck. I'd rather play another site for play chips when I can't get to Horseshoe casino. What a joke.

As ive saiid, no more full rigged tilt. I have started playing on PKR and have had to adjust my style of play yet again! Now I cant go all in pre flop with AK knowing 100% an ace will hit the board somewhere to bust someones KK. Furthermore i have had to learn how to slow play again because you can do that on this site without the river card bending you over! So far the players here have respect for their money and the game i have only seen one flush chaser who missed and an open ended chaser who hit. If I were to say the same about full tilt i would be saying 11 guys chased the flush and 10 hit it and 47 guys chased the straight and 58 hit it LOL. Maybe admin could do a review on PKR as i believe it is only a fairly new site. Last night at 11pm Australian time there were 5000 players online, whereas FRT had 20 odd thousand. Not bad for a new site.

Just finished playing a full rigged freeroll. . For a while i was chip leader, but when the field of 360 narrowed to about 80 my luck turned. Ended up encountering a guy who chipped up by sucking out and whos signiture move was to shove allin to any raise. After folding a few hands i get TT on the bb and it is limped to me so i pot raise. This guy goes allin (with AJ) for about half of my stack and i call and lose the flip. I continue seeing nothing after that whilst the other players continue to suck out (one play had there floped set sucked out by runner-runner bigger boat). It works out that even with my sizable stack and even though i was in the top half of the 28 player field i was the short stack at ~16000 on a table with 6 other players. I finally see AT utg and decide just to try to limp and see a flop. The agressive guy min raised and half the table - including myself- call. Flop - 2s3sTd giving me top fair top kicker. I check another player bets and this guy min raises again which gets called. I decide to find out where i stand and pot raise from the 400 bet to 4000. This guy calls at which point i put him on a draw. Turn 7c - blank i fiugre so i go alling for almost 12000 and this guy calls down again. He shows AH4H. I'm perfectly shore the 5s that came on the river was a perfectly random card and i just got unlucky. Not.

please someone tell me this is random poker >>> i am playing ONE time since June in a cash Omaha NL hi/lo game for about 30 f-ing minutes. I am dealt Ah2cKd6d. Flop is A72 rainbow! Ok I got a great low and probably the high hand after the flop with 2p. I bet the pot and guys calls. Turn is Qd. So now in a live game I would think "hmmm maybe he's got Qs up and I can nail him" but on full rigged I thnk "hmmmm maybe he has AQ but thats ok cause I got a great low working too"! Right? So the river is a 3d. WOW... in almost any game in the US I would win at least the Hi OR or the Lo hand. Right? Nope. Not at full fcking scam rigged tilt. Now get this for WHY it is rigged. The guy show AQs 10c 4d. So is it a coincindence that he just happened to have a hand dealt by full tilts RNG that mirrored my hand so that after the flop we both had to bet so full rigged could create more rake and then deliver one of the 3 cards he needed to create As up that were better than my flopped hand of As and 2s! I just cannot believe this crap is random. Its so bad that when I flop two pair I feel ike folding not betting cause I know each time full rigged gives u a decent hand after the flop you can get caught and trapped to lose more chips or cash. Sickening! How can you play poker on such a BS site. And yet I see so many players there night after night. Can anyone explain this to me.

I FOUND THIS GUY'S POST ON A FTP FORUM:


JayR101

Joined: 08 Feb 2007
Posts: -4

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:17 pm Post subject: Is Full Tilt Rigged?

The hands dealt are NOT random hands - NEVER. It's all about the rake and what FT makes on the hand. If a hand wins with less than a 3-of-a-kind at a FULL table, it is only because the person who would have normally won the hand previously folded. If all persons stayed in thru the course of the hand to completion, you would see a 3-of-a-kind or higher each time. Why? Because the hands are NOT random... they are all pre-determined before the hand is ever dealt. It's all about greed at FT... NOT accuracy. You want accuracy, drive to the nearest casino and plop your cash down and look into the eye of your opponents - not the cheesy fake crap here (or any online site). There is a huge difference between the hands you will see there (on a regular basis) and here. It's not REAL or ACCURATE.. never will be... but as long as you realize that and wish to throw your money at FT... please do and ENJOY! But remember this... the higher the potential of the hand being dealt... the higher the bet amount... THE HIGHER THE RAKE FOR FT... they know that... so should you. So, the site IS rigged in that the hands aren't random... they will attempt to generate as much $$$ for FT that they can. As for the 'pros' that come here or are seen in the commercials.. they make an appearance occasionally.. why??? Because they are paid by FT to be a walking billboard... so that FT can get national exposure. They know that FT isn't real poker you find in an actual tournament or casino. It's all about the money... NOT realism. Know it. Live it.

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So you know it, why do you keep coming back?

simo1981
August 18, 2008
So you know it, why do you keep coming back?


You are right mate !!Yesterday was the last day even though it was the first day I have played there in 2 months for cash. I wrote them to send me a check since I cannot withdraw with epassporte.

I just dont get how they have become so popular.

12-03-07

The online poker world tonight is buzzing about the revelation that there has been another cheater caught in a high profile online poker event.

Let's rewind about a month. Chris "BluffMagCV" Vaughn, an employee of Bluff Magazine, took down back to back Sunday Million tournaments. First he took down the Full Tilt $1 Million Guaranteed tournament, and then the very next week he took down the Sunday Millions tournament on Pokerstars playing as "SlippyJacks."

There were rumblings about possible shenanigans in the Full Tilt Poker tournament, but the story didn't really come to light until Soren "Kongsgaard" Kongsgaard posted that he had received an email from Full Tilt Poker stating that "BluffMagCV had been disqualified from the tournament and "Kongsgaard" would be awarded first place money.

The stated reason for the disqualification? Full Tilt Poker said that an already eliminated player had taken over "BluffMagCV"'s account late in the tournament. Apparently the player that took over the account was promised a % of the total profits in exchange for finishing out the tournament.

This player who took over the account is reportedly Sorel "Imper1um" Mizzi, and apparently he too has been banned from Full Tilt Poker.

If Mizzi did in fact participate in this scheme and he was in fact banned from Full Tilt Poker, it is obviously a huge deal, as Mizzi is one of the most popular and successful poker players online. Mizzi has been noticeably absent from Full Tilt Poker as of late, so it would certainly appear to be true.

Full Tilt has been tight-lipped on the matter. What we do know for sure is that "BluffMagCV" was 100% disqualified from that tournament and banned, and that a high profile player took over his account and was also banned. At this point, the evidence would certainly seem to point to Mizzi as the well-known player who took over the account, but we don't have 100% confirmation as of yet.

Was the "Slippyjacks" victory on Pokerstars tainted as well? Pokerstars closely scrutinizes every player who makes it to the final table of any major event on their site, so there is a good chance that they have already investigated and found nothing to be wrong with the victory on Pokerstars. The "SlippyJacks" account is currently not banned on Pokerstars.

You have to wonder how much of this stuff is going on that is never discovered. If the players who perpetrated this scam weren't so reckless, they probably never would have been caught.

This stuff is just horrible for online poker in general, and sites are going to have to come up with a better solution for dealing with this kind of cheating. I wish that the sites would band together, and if a person is caught cheating on one site, they are banned from them all.

Also, I believe that online poker sites need to stop shielding the identities of known cheaters, and start publicly naming people that have been caught cheating. Why shouldn't the public know about it? If you are caught trading stocks in the USA with insider knowledge, you are publicly named by the SEC. What's wrong with that? There has to be a stronger deterrent to cheating. Right now the reward is far greater than the risk of getting caught.

One of the big problems with online poker: The more popular the site, the more people there are that you will be playing that are prepared to chase even the smallest draw all the way to the river, and hence more potential for someone to suck out on you. For example if the % of these players is 3% then there are 1800 of these donkeys on full tilt at its peak time. Stick to the less popular sites with less traffic and do as I do and close your full tilt account, you are throwing good money after bad.

wow. thanx for this thread. i thought it was me. the experiences reported here are my experiences on ftp. luckily its only been play chips. but i have had stacks of up to 23M just vanish over the course of weeks of ridiculously bad beats. my hand history shows how unbelievably non-random this site is. 23x in a 1500 hands I had ak, aq, aj, at and flopped two pair. ridiculous in itself. but always up against an opponent playing ace-rag. and either rag showed up in flop and then another rag on turn or river. or no rag on flop but turn AND river are rag-rag.

it just got to the point that i was no longer playing poker but just guarding against bad beats. i have 9-10 suited. flop is k, 9, 10. i just know qj has been dealt so i fold. i watch the hand and qj has indeed been dealt. ftp finally resorted to the full house v better full house scenario to break me. and i will never be back.

ftp is all about dealing multiple players a hand or draw that can call an all-in bet. for anybody that's played live poker, its difficult to get paid even when you flop a set from a pocket pair. usually your opponents dont have anything to call with. on ftp they are raising you all-in.

when they get around to auditing their random number generator, audit this. the number of paired flops (flops, not boards) is ridiculously non-random. And with only 2 ranks, it would be typical for all players to miss. but on ftp, take 3,3, king. almost always a 3 and a king will have been dealt. and for more action two players will have a 3.

rake city.

ftp is a bad site to learn on because all it teaches you is that top pair/top kicker or top 2-pair is never good. it gives players such distorted views of the odds that you will either be fearful or broke. and the fearful are only delaying being broke by folding hands that should win.

basically ftp skips all the hands where ace-high or king-high would win. only the action hands are left.

Please someone enlighten me on how the chip leader ALWAYS wins! This is not some tilting rant about crushing beats. This is an honest question. How the F%$K does the chip leader alway win no matter what? No matter what garbage he/she has they always hit the GD miracle on the river, not sometimes ALWAYS. This is disgusting. I only see it at low levels 24$ and below. Why is that? I play the Sunday tourneys and have placed 18th in the Sunday Brawl and don't see it there so WTF gives. One of you online geniuses please explain this fascinating anomaly to me! I'm all ears. Is it the fact that they have so many chips they can call anything (and should in the right situation 10/1) if so why does this not hold true (every FN hand) at higher levels? They are for the most part much savvier players but they do not win every single pot just because of this factor. So all the idiots that swear online poker is on the up and up in all facets please explain this one to me. This also does not hold true live (at least in my experience). Between the threat of collusion, boiler rooms, and the F-ed up code I stay amazed people actually turn a profit. Maybe I just don't get it online, seems to be: start when your 16, play garbage in any position to any amount no matter what the circumstances and just WIN! WIN! WIN! If you try to improve and better yourself at the game it will only serve to make you crazy online. Live it works great, you can see an improvement in your play and in your bankroll but online just play like an idiot and the site will love you, reward you with amazing perfectly timed suck-outs and send you a little T-shirt. O.K. I'm done.

I never got a t-shirt

Just HAD to share this beat I just suffered in a FTP tourney. About 75% of the time on the luckfest of a site I bust out to horrible moves by bad players, but this one takes the cake. Hand history is posted below. I'm SoDak30, watch the brilliant play of slumz and his unreal suckout, Keep in mind this is late in a tourney with an over-11K first prize ... this donk play put him in 1st or 2d place:

Full Tilt Poker Game #7829989555: $35,000 Guarantee (58794938), Table 51 - 800/1600 Ante 200 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:58:45 ET - 2008/08/27
Seat 1: DonT11 (39,408)
Seat 2: slumz2000 (77,221)
Seat 3: msmemery (16,618)
Seat 5: kice32 (37,090)
Seat 6: SoDak30 (50,490)
Seat 7: Bertrand13 (26,154)
Seat 8: ToBlaeve (20,189)
Seat 9: FijiIslandQueen (7,223)
DonT11 antes 200
slumz2000 antes 200
msmemery antes 200
kice32 antes 200
SoDak30 antes 200
Bertrand13 antes 200
ToBlaeve antes 200
FijiIslandQueen antes 200
SoDak30 posts the small blind of 800
Bertrand13 posts the big blind of 1,600
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SoDak30 [Qd Qs]
ToBlaeve folds
FijiIslandQueen folds
DonT11 folds
slumz2000 has 15 seconds left to act
slumz2000 raises to 4,125
msmemery folds
kice32 folds
SoDak30 calls 3,325
Bertrand13 folds
*** FLOP *** [8h 7c 3h]
SoDak30 bets 8,000
slumz2000 raises to 72,896, and is all in
SoDak30 calls 38,165, and is all in
slumz2000 shows [5h Ac]
SoDak30 shows [Qd Qs]
Uncalled bet of 26,731 returned to slumz2000
*** TURN *** [8h 7c 3h] [2c]
*** RIVER *** [8h 7c 3h 2c] [4d]
slumz2000 shows a straight, Five high
SoDak30 shows a pair of Queens
slumz2000 wins the pot (103,780) with a straight, Five high
SoDak30 stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 103,780 | Rake 0
Board: [8h 7c 3h 2c 4d]
Seat 1: DonT11 folded before the Flop
Seat 2: slumz2000 showed [5h Ac] and won (103,780) with a straight, Five high
Seat 3: msmemery folded before the Flop
Seat 5: kice32 (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: SoDak30 (small blind) showed [Qd Qs] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 7: Bertrand13 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 8: ToBlaeve folded before the Flop
Seat 9: FijiIslandQueen folded before the Flop

Probably most typically of all, after the win slumz showed no humility, but rather cocked off with a "weeeeeeeeeeeee" and a "thanks for the chips." FTP is simply a joke. The hand above isn't some isolated incident ... horrible plays are constantly paid off there and nowhere else have I found my solid play to be more consistely shoved up my ass, especially when it counts.

that is fu**ing disgusting

I took a simlar beat the other day, but that was in a freeroll.

ajk193

that is a typical BS rigged hand on full rigged tilt bingo. Sure those things happen sometimes in poker. On full rigged tilt however that is the rule not the exception. Hand values and odds mean nothing to the crooks running that poker site. And beccause players can't mathematically "prove" that it is skewed/rigged etc. they continue to get people defending them, and playing there hoping to beat the rig.

As a counterpoint to my prior post and my overriding belief that FTP is "rigged">>>>

I just played (5) play-chip tournaments of HORSE on FRT. I won 3 tournaments and finished 3rd in another. This were both 9 and 18 player tournaments.

I did this due to a friend of mine who is a Ph.D. in math saying that "maybe if I didn't quit playing every time I had a "bad beat", i.e. felt the hand was rigged and kept playing what I claim to be solid experienced shrewed poker I would over the "long term" win more".

Well that is what a mathematician would say fter I repeatedly told him ad nauseum about anecdotal "evidence" of ridiculous and improbable beats. So I took his challenge and played in these tournies (and I must say honestly as a big-time critic of FRT that there were some really good players on these tables. Many of the hands did not involve 3-5 players like in the donk small cash games and tournies. Perhaps these were guys who like me had stopped playing cash but still wanted to see if they could compete online, and find legitimate play. Perhaps it was because I have played 20 years and thus am more familar with all games not just hold 'em than newer players. Maybe I got lucky.

how does counting works? i know how to count, but what is +1 +2...... what do we use it for?

I get a good laugh out of FTP support. I've asked them on mutiple occasions to share the results of the audits they have done that supposedly prove their software is random. They completely ignore the requests, but do assure me that they are "certain" their software is random. I've also asked them why, when I track hands in an admittedly statistically invalid way, not once have the numbers even approximated the odds. Variance is the answer. Uh-huh. So I ask if they think it's peculiar that, for example, never have I tracked KK to beat A rag more than what should be expected ... it's every time the case that A rag wins at an unbelievable high rate. Variance is a funny thing, they say.

Well, I must admit I'm a moron who keeps plugging away there. I intentionally played badly a couple months back and ended up 4/775 in a tourney. That was funny and revealing, I thought.

I have dreams of making some final table on TV sometime and wearing a shirt that say "f*ck online poker" or something like that. But, unlikely to happen.

Twenty Things I've Learned About Full Tilt
1) Nobody folds an ace. People would rather witness the death of their firstborn than throw an ace into the muck.
2) When you are shortstacked and looking at pocket ladies, somebody has aces or kings.
3) Every hand, there are at least two people playing suited cards, usually both below a ten.
4) Winning percentages do not matter to the bigger stack. You will win 85% of the time regardless of your cards.
5) Top pair after the flop generally means nothing.
6) You have to play hold ‘em like Omaha, meaning that two pair is the minimum to win a hand and when there are three suited cards, most of the time your opponent will have a flush.
7) If you are all-in on 4th street or sooner when playing Razz, expect to make pairs or draw face cards.
8) The opposite is true for stud.
9) Suited connectors win more than pocket aces.
10) Expect to be check-raised at least once a hand.
11) Most players play AK suited like they have already made a royal flush, regardless of the cards on the board.
12) When you think to yourself, “They can't possibly have, 4-6, 5-8, etc.,” they do.
13) The German players will keep hitting the raise button like meth addicts. Take their money as you see fit.
14) Most players do not know the definition of a value bet.
15) Nobody folds xxA2 pre-flop in Omaha Hi/Lo
16) If you want to get sucked out on the river every time, play limit hold ‘em.
17) Only play freerolls after you have been drinking, therefore you might find some humor in the play of your opponents and the beats you will take.
18) When playing in a freeroll, time out every third hand just to make things interesting.
19) 20% odds win 80% of the time.
20) After you make a withdrawal of your winnings, expect to go on a losing streak the likes of which you have never seen before.

I'll continue kdanwills' list. 21) Slow play gets you sucked out every time. 22) In a three handed pot the winning hand is usually the one least likely to win.

Hmmm
 

Those are pretty good, it's like Murphy's Law for FT. But #15 and #16 generally hold true a lot of places because of the nature of limit and hi/lo omaha. Other than that, those bring back a lot of memories!!!

mike

I agree with mike, playing xxA2 in omaha h/l is not a bad play, you cant get the low nuts without those cards. i play these cards most of the time unless there has been raising and reraising to the limit pre flop

Simo1981-you can get the low nuts with xx45 if the board is xxA23 (or any other combination that gives you the wheel). I just put that in the list because you run a serious risk of getting quartered by playing xxA2 on FTP.

Another classic full rigged tilt gem - I'm not stupid enough to play real money. Although i won this hand the principle is the same and if you play here you'll gt beat like this:
As is the norm on this site i limp along with 86 suited (flush boards are so common unsuited cards are worthless). Both blinds saw the flop but folded before the river making 4 player originaly.
Me: 86c
opponant: 63s
flop: 2d5h4s - bb bets half pot my and op call
turn: 3d - bb checks, i bet half pot, op calls, bb folds
river: 7h - i bet half pot again, op min raises, i reraise again and they call.

Floping the nut strait, as demonstrated by this hand, should be an extreemely stressful time for any FRT player as they are going to get sucked out about 100% of the time to ANYONE drawing to a better hand including the most rediculous runner -runner draws you will ever see.

whah whah whah....
what a bunch of crybabys, first off if fulltilt is really scamming people people like us we will never know...
it's like those crazies saying 9-11 was an inside job... these are things one will simply never know...
i was reading a comment that really made me laugh, it went something like this, ft is a scam, all the hands are predetermined, flop, turn and river... well duh, it's not like the cards are randomly spinning like a slot machine and then when it comes time, spits out a random card...
comon think about it... when your playing live the dealer shuffles the deck and then cuts it... that's it the deck is now locked in...
there is nothing that can change this...
the flop, turn, and river are still going to be the same...
so the person who is saying that all ft hands are predetermined is just simply agreeing with this example...
it seems to me that people are complaining more about the bad beats, like runner runner bs...
in this case it's more likely that a scam can be involved, if a sim or bot player is seated at a table and needs runner runner to make a winning hand they could "alter" the preset deck to have two rediculous "jacks" pop off the deck, but this theory doesn't hold up one bit, if whatever source that is in control of the hand can see that it's "player" is drawing dead than what's the plan?
i believe the deck is randomly shuffled just like a vegas slot and then is locked,that's it, say no more, whatever happens happens...they cant just plugin sumthin like this "oh this bot player needs all a 4 DIAMOND BOARD,lets just change the predetermined flop turn and river to give him what he needs?" i mean what if those cards are already in play or mucked? don't you think sumone would notice the ten of diamonds they mucked that buried some poor guy on the river, i mean there is a certian amount of outs one has in any given hand... if the program thats ripping people off takes the cards that are left in the deck and rearranges them to benefit one player than so be it...
we will never know...
but seriously all these people ranting and raving about how it's rigged are just looking like a bunch of whiners that don't understand the cosmic tendencies of poker...
but even then we will never know...
all poker sites run off of the same engine you dummies... so if fullilt is scamming people so is pokerstars and bodog, i've had my share of rediculous bad beats that made me wonder... and i'm not saying these sites aren't rigged...
i'm not saying they are...
i particulalrly like ft due to its fast paced action, the action on pokerstars is so slow, i'd rather see 100 bad beat crazy hands in an hour than say 50 boring ace high ones on pokerstars...
i mean comon, how many times have you flopped a nut flush on full tilt? plenty, so stop complaining... or how many times in a tournament have you been dealt a 9 2 offsuit? plenty...
there just bad beats... learn to deal with it, statistics don't mean anything because nothing is set in stone anyway when it comes to how many suited flops should appear and all that mumbo jumbo... hello? that's why we call it poker folks... there's no promises, stupid players are commonly rewarded in this game, ask the pros who play live games, it's no different, a bad beat is a bad beat, no matter where you play what you play or who is "playing" you,learn to deal with it, and move on... geez...people are acting like good cards never get beat by rags...

oh and one more thing...
the pattern that i can honestly say i find the most interesting, that makes me think the site could possibly be juiced way more than any bad beat... is this... this happens to me all the time i swear...whenever i pull off a really sick bluff...
i'm not talkin one of those semi bluff on a draw shts... like a real sick one... the ones that would got you shot in the wild west days bluff...
ok i'm getting carried away...anywayz after i pull these bluffs off they always shoot me a good hand like jj qq kk aa or ak the very next hand...
granted i don't make sick rediculous stone cold ice bets that often so... everytime i do tho it's like they reward me with kk it's great