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V.I.P. Vegas Host 05-06-05 06:00 PM

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Mike the flash 05-06-05 06:00 PM

anyone know how good romano mentioned in that article was??? was he better than unger and did he ever play in WSP

Pete H 05-06-05 06:00 PM

Stephanie, Your dad without a doubt was the greatest NL player ever. Thanks for giving me the gift of being able to read your post. It's real cool. Looking forward to the book and will get it the first day it becomes available. It's great to know that your dad accepted Jesus. God Bless

Pete 05-07-05 06:00 PM

The internet is full of sickos, so we just ignore them and read the post of decent people and of the real Stephanie Ungar. Don't worry about trying to save pedophiles, their days are numbered.

CA. 05-08-05 06:00 PM

I don't know how people can talk about Stu's personal life like they are one to judge. I would like to consider myself a very good player, and yes i party a lil too much. But whos business is it but mine what i do? Same with stu, ussually the best poker players are the people who like the rush, the money and his personality and life MADE him such a good player, for those of you that said anyone can hold a candle to him....your welcome to your opinons but as a player you can hope to achieve 1/1000 of what he did in a weekend in our whole lives.

bibblybat 05-08-05 06:00 PM

Yes Stephanie,I am the guy you met at the Gold Coast with your father.Tell the jerkoff who's trying to manipulate your mind that I said to go fuck himself.Forget about the restaurant we ate at the Gold Coast,remember the night in the room when it was just you,your father,and myself when you were in the room and you accidentally hit him in the eye just playing around and we laughed because your father kept bringing it up all night.The next day your father asked me to take you to the mall.I dropped you off at the mall and it was the last time I saw you.By the way,at the restaurant that night it was Stu and I on one side and you and your girlfriend on the other. I wont talk about the conversation we had that night but I remember it well.Miss your father much Stephanie!Good luck to you.

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Darren 05-08-05 06:00 PM

billyrat, your just another WANNABE. If you live in vegas still let me know cause I will meet to to find out the truth

billybat 05-09-05 06:00 PM

Your mother was a fuckin rat cuz, I know your real name isn't Darren but I expect that from a lowlife. Now the only truth you should be worrying about is the money Stu left you to take care of his daughter which I know she never received. Don't worry though when I see her I will make sure she knows who you are. By the way is your asshole puckering up yet?

Stefanie Ungar 05-09-05 06:00 PM

OK, what are you both talking about? Billy where did you go? It was like you were there one day and gone the next. I was surprised not to see you at his funeral. Anyway, I was suprised by alot of things after he died. People who claimed to be his friends whom I've known my WHOLE life and have been M.I.A. since the day he died. But I've learned to let that stuff go a long time ago. He wasn't exactally friends with people who were model citzens. I guess I couldn't have expected too much. It's ok Billy. I know about money that was suppose to come to me and never did (not one penny) but God has been looking out for me and I am doing just fine. Takecare. Stefanie

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Mike the Flash 05-09-05 06:00 PM

Guess no one knows anything about Romano. What about tataglia, the guy mentioned in those articles

tiny tim 05-09-05 06:00 PM

where is he buried.

Drewby 05-09-05 06:00 PM

The man had to be a genius to do what he did he knew how to do everything poker demanded to win. R.I.P ps.Would love to see him tear up Chris Moneymaker, and Greg Raymer

Wyatt Earp 1 05-09-05 06:00 PM

Raymer and Moneymaker's names shouldn't even be mentioned in the same paragraph with Stu, only player I've seen close to Stu lately is Danny.

Wyatt Earp 1 05-09-05 06:00 PM

Stu Ungar The Tortured Champion Ungar, who was born in New York City and raised on the city's Lower East Side, became a professional gambler at age 14, a year after his father, who was a bookmaker and bar operator, had died. Stu was an incredible gin rummy player. At age 10 in '63, he won his first gin rummy tournament in a Catskill Mountain Resort while vacationing with his parents. At age 14, he was regularly playing and beating the best players in New York. At 15 he dropped out of school when a well known bookie staked Stu to the $500 buy-in in a big gin rummy tournament. Stu won the $10,000 first prize without ever loosing a hand, a record still held in the card rooms of New York City. A week later, after giving his parents $1,000, he lost the rest on horses at the Aqueduct racetrack. It was a sign of things to come. Ungar moved to Miami where the juiciest Gin games were. He did well but his weakness for sports and track betting drained him of any success. In 1976 Stu reached Las Vegas, broke and just about beaten. Somehow he found the money to enter a $50,000 tournament. On the last two hands he forecast the losing player's cards - correctly. This bravado was another bad career move as it meant other players feared his skills. As a result, he could no longer find any games outside the tournaments. It wasn't long before he decided to try his luck at blackjack. He'd cleaned up on poker tables from Nevada to New Jersey and the time was right to move on. One night at Caesars Palace he won $83,000 but the manager stopped the play. Stu retaliated by correctly forecasting the last 18 cards left in the single-deck shoe. That was the beginning of the end for single deck blackjack tables. They were removed from Caesars and later from other casinos, and Stu's picture was posted up in the security rooms of dozens of casinos. Result: Stu was banned for life. His next feat was to bet any takers $10,000 that he could perform yet another memory miracle: he offered to count down the last two decks in a six-deck shoe! There were no takers. Then in January 1977 a former owner of Vegas World and designer of the Stratosphere Tower stepped into his life. Stu Ungar met Bob Stupak. The new taker offered Stu $100,000 to count down the last three decks, half-way through a six-deck shoe. If Stu lost he'd owe Bob $10,000. Memories of this amazing feat still linger on today in Las Vegas. To the astonishment of onlookers, and Bob, Stu didn't miss a single call from a total of 156 cards. When Bob handed him a check for $100,000, it marked the beginning of a lasting friendship between them. In 1980 at 24, Ungar entered his first world championship. He won and to silence the critics of his "fluke" he won the next year as well. He wasn't done with pure gambling though and he lost $900,000 in RAZZ game in an afternoon, $1m in a craps session and picked up $5m from Larry Flint (the porn king) over many heads-up sessions. Ultimately his fever for action took everything in the physical world and his drug addiction was close to taking his life. By the 1997 WSOP tournament in Las Vegas, Ungar hadn't been in the frame for over 7 years. He was seen around the gambling Mecca playing in small games but was pretty much written off by the poker world. He didn't have the money to enter the Championship event but an hour before play an anonymous benefactor produced the $10,000 entry. Four days later the greatest comeback in poker history had occurred and the record of three victories established. In all he won 10 major No limit Hold'em tournaments out of the 30 he entered! Two months later he was broke again. Another year of oblivion and Stu was on the comeback trail again with his old friend Bob Stupak offering to cancel his debts and signing him up for commissioned card play. With $2000 of Stupak's money in his pocket (spending money) he checked into a cheap downtown hotel. Two days later he was dead. He left behind a 15 year old daughter. He once said although he could conceive of a better poker player than himself, not in the next 50 years of the world would there be a better Gin player. Nov 22nd, 1998 - Oasis Motel, 1731 S. Las Vegas Blvd - Stu Ungar found dead. The Clark County Coroner's office on Monday ruled Ungar's death accidental based on the results of toxicology tests that came back from the lab Friday. A mixture of narcotics and pain killers triggered a heart condition that killed him. The drugs found in Ungar's system were cocaine, methadone and the pain-killer Percodan, Clark County Coroner Ron Flud said. No one drug by itself was enough to cause Ungar's death. "The cause is accidental death by coronary atherosclerosis". "The heart condition developed over a period of time. The attack was brought on by his life-style." Coronary atherosclerosis occurs when not enough blood can be pumped through the heart muscle. It is not uncommon to find a mixture of cocaine, Percodan and methadone in an autopsy of a drug user. Percodan is often used to bring a person down from his cocaine high so he can sleep. Methadone is given to heroine addicts to get them off the drug. It is not known when Ungar, a three-time world poker champion, took the drugs that contributed to his death. Police investigating the scene said they found no drug paraphernalia at that location. . Known for poker prowess, Ungar had deeper sideBy Ed Koch <koch@lasvegassun.com>LAS VEGAS SUNStu Ungar was a high-stakes gambler who made millions of dollars playing poker and lost millions more at the tables and betting on sports games and horses.He was an admitted drug addict who did cocaine and partied with friends until the wee hours of the morning.Yet, even such a man had the unconditional love of at least one person -- his 16-year-old daughter, Stefanie Ungar."There was nothing phony about my dad. What you saw was what you got," said the Bishop Gorman High sophomore. "He never pretended to be something he was not."A lot of people knew my dad only as a great poker player. But he also was a generous man who did not have a mean bone in his body. He was funny and he was the gentlest man I knew."Ungar's destructive lifestyle caught up with him last Sunday, when he was found in a room at the Oasis Motel, 1731 S. Las Vegas Blvd. The man who was once nicknamed "The Kid" because of his youthful appearance was dead at 45. An autopsy conducted this week was inconclusive with toxicology tests pending.Services for Ungar, who won the 1980, '81 and '97 Binion's World Series of Poker, were scheduled for earlier today at Palm Mortuary Eastern. Interment will be in Palm Valley View Cemetery.On Thanksgiving Eve, Stefanie talked about her father to show another side of one of the most colorful Las Vegas characters of the last quarter century."I don't want to talk about his poker and gambling, because a lot of people have already done that," she said. "I want to talk about the man who would call me 20 times a day just to tell me he loved me and to make sure I was taking care of myself."Stefanie, who lived in Florida from 1989 to '97 before moving back to Las Vegas, lives with her mother and Ungar's ex-wife, Madeline Ungar, a Forum Shops clothing clerk, at the Las Vegas Country Club."My dad would ask me things like are you eating? If I said no, he would say he was coming over to take me out to eat. If I needed something, he'd give me his last $200 without me knowing it was all he had. Then he would walk around broke for days."At the 1997 World Series of Poker, Stu "The Kid" became known as Stu "The Comeback Kid" for his incredible performance. That day, he carried in his shirt pocket a photo of Stefanie for inspiration. He would occasionally look at it between hands en route to winning the $1 million first prize."He'd call at every break in the tournament and tell me there are only 18 players left, then six left and so on," Stefanie said. "When he won, he called and said they were opening a bottle of champagne in his room. My dad couldn't drink alcohol."But he did take drugs, something that was no secret in the poker world. Nor was it something Ungar tried to hide from his daughter."I talked to him about it all the time and encouraged him to check into a rehab program," Stefanie said. "But he told me people don't understand what it's like when you have money -- you can't get away from it. People who claimed to be his friends would come up to him and push it on him."He told me the only way he would be able to get away from that lifestyle was to move away from Las Vegas. I told him maybe you can move away and just come back every year to win the World Series of Poker. He laughed at that."Stefanie says she has no interest in even trying cocaine. In Florida, she said, she dumped a boyfriend who snorted it in front of her.A week before Stu died, Stefanie recalled, they were able to share a tender moment."We were watching TV and I told him how proud I was that he was my dad," she said. "He told me he was not proud about some of the things he had done, and he said that maybe if he had spent more time with me, his life would have been different."On one visit to Las Vegas several years ago, Stefanie saw a discarded letter written to Ungar from then-president George Bush, inviting her father to the White House."I asked my dad if he was going to go and he said no," Stefanie said. "I said, 'Dad, you know how rare it is to get an invitation to the White House?' He said: 'What am I going to talk to the president about? We have nothing in common.' Dad said he wouldn't even know which fork to use at dinner."Former Las Vegas hotel-casino owner Bob Stupak, who in recent weeks was forming a business partnership with Ungar to sponsor him at major poker tournaments, said his longtime friend indeed was not a sophisticated man."He did not understand much about anything other than poker," Stupak, himself a world-class poker player, said."For example, in 1980, Stu got invited to Ireland to play in a poker tournament but did not have a passport. He went to get one and was told it would take a while to process. Stu asked if there was a way to get it quicker, and the clerk said for 'a few extra dollars' it could be ready in a couple of days."The clerk was referring to an additional processing fee for a rush job, but, said Stupak, "Stu looked to his right, then to his left and then tried to slip the guy $300. That's what Stu thought the guy meant by a few extra dollars."Ungar was born Sept. 8, 1953, in New York City, and was raised on the Lower East Side. His father, a bookmaker and bar operator, died when Ungar was 13. Three years before that, he had taken Stu to the Catskills on vacation, where his son learned to play gin rummy and began hustling waiters in card games.At age 14, Ungar quit school and became a professional gambler, winning thousands of dollars from seasoned players four or five times his age. He became one of the world's top gin rummy players.Ungar came to Las Vegas in 1978 and learned how to play Texas hold 'em. He set the poker world on its ear in 1980, when he won the coveted $10,000 buy-in no-limit Texas hold 'em World Series of Poker title.When he repeated as champion of the granddaddy of all gaming tournaments the next year, Ungar secured a place for himself in poker annals and in gambling folklore.But 16 years and millions of won and lost dollars later, Ungar was broke. A friend paid his way into the 1997 World Series main event, where he made history. But the million-dollar purse he won did not last long. After paying off gambling debts and suffering heavy losses on horse and sports wagers, Ungar was broke two months later.On Friday, he signed a contract with Stupak, who paid off Ungar's gambling debts around town, giving him a fresh start."I felt he was a good investment," Stupak said, referring to Ungar's ability to overcome major odds and at times make incredible amounts of money for his backers.After signing the contract, Ungar asked Stupak for some "walking around money," and Stupak gave him $2,000.Stupak said Ungar called him Friday and left a message on Stupak's answering machine. Stupak tried to call Ungar all day Saturday but couldn't reach him, he said.The next morning, Ungar was found lying face up in his motel bed. The motel manager said he had about $800 in his pocket. Ungar had spent about $120 for the two-night stay in the motel. What happened to the rest of the money is unknown.

Stefanie Ungar 05-09-05 06:00 PM

The above comment came from 2 newspaper articles that came out around the week he died. Most of it is true but there are still some facts that arn't exactally right on. So many people think he was broke 2 month's after winning the last WSOP but that wasn't true. He wasn't even broke when he died. And that was 18 months later. Just a little info for you all.

Darren 05-10-05 06:00 PM

WOW. Then there must be alot of rong things said. Whats billy talking about? Im only 19 I have none of Ungars money lmao.

Stefanie Ungar 05-10-05 06:00 PM

I don't know what you both are talking about. You told him you wanted to know the truth. What truth?

V.I.P. HOST 05-10-05 06:00 PM

STEF:Email me via my website [url]www.davidnigh.com[/url]. THX GIRL!

anthony 05-10-05 06:00 PM

Stef, All I want to say is be careful. Hard to distinguish between all the fact from fiction on a board like this and with the poker craze now going the way it is you have to stay sharp.

Darren 05-11-05 06:00 PM

I ment to see if he was who he said he was. I know im a big headed jerk though.

Stefanie Ungar 05-11-05 06:00 PM

I do know what you mean Anthony. I think about that stuff all the time. Lately, I've been feeling like I shouldn't write on here as often anymore. And especially now I have people posting comments on here and saying they are me. Anyways, I would like to say thank you to all the people who come on here for the right reasons, which I believe is to keep my dad's momory alive. Alot of you have said some really touching things and It's been really nice reading them all. I'll check in on this website once in a while if anyone has questions about my dad. Keep an Eye out this summer on ESPN they are putting together a feature on my dad. They told me it is simular to the piece that was done almost a year ago but in this one it's going to be more in depth . My mom is going to be interviewed too. Takecare everyone and God Bless you. Stefanie

pete 05-12-05 06:00 PM

thanks for let me share in your dad's memory. His story touches my heart and pray for nothing but the best for you.

rolly 05-12-05 06:00 PM

no one will ever touch 3 WSOP wins...EVER...RIP Stu

bobby 05-14-05 06:00 PM

this guy was the best. he won more tournaments than anyone. he cant be beat. RIP.

glorification of Ungar 05-14-05 06:00 PM

Yah well he never met Robert Varkoni heads up. Ungar would have forfeited instead of taking a humiliating beating.

Stefanie Ungar 05-15-05 06:00 PM

Pete you really seem like a great guy. It is people like you that keep me writing on this website. Thanks for your thoughtful words and prayers. Stefanie

bibblybat 05-16-05 06:00 PM

Stephanie, I apologize for not coming to your father's funeral. I actually did not find out till a couple of day's after the fact when someone had placed a newspaper clipping on the windshield of my car. Without going into too much detail, Stu and I had a heated conversation one night where we basically told one another off. After that night, I remember he was over Don's and I did not get to see him for at least two months. Realistically,we had no way of communicating with each other after that night unless we ran into each other in a casino.Anyway saddened to know you did not get your just due, but am glad to know that you knew your father tried to do what was right. Honestly Stephanie, when I knew your father he didn't care about money, poker, or any other segment in life, the only thing he ever cared about was you. That was the one thing that put a smile on his face.

Kix, UK 05-16-05 06:00 PM

Watched the film. Gotta say it's terrible and does the man no justice. Way to many cliches from gangster films and the kid who played young Stu was annoying.My favourite poker player of all time (but I'm only 22) and not old enough to remember the other greats and don't care much for Phil "Big Mouth" Hellmuth. I've read some messages saying that Stu's bad points are always mentioned i.e. his addiction but this is the case for all major athletes/actors/whatever that have gone off the rails. Here in the UK, we have George Best and Paul Gascoigne who are probably the the most talented British soccer players of all time - there isn't an article that does not mention their problems with alcohol. I think that it SHOULD be mentioned, as an example, but it also makes the people seem more human and likeable (Best and Gazza are immensely popular here). That's my view anyway.


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