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Stefanie Ungar 02-14-05 06:00 PM

Dear HP, Thank you so much for thoughts. I have often felt the same way. When people talk about ALL the other poker players they never mention what they battled in their personal lives they just talk about their poker skills and acomplishments. I guess it's human nature to want to know the dirt in peoples lives. My dad never kept anything a secret to begin with. He was an open book to begin with so I can't get mad when people always highlight his drug problem. But thanks again for showing your human side to me. So many people do act as if they have never made mistakes in life or had any problems. It's funny because now I see what celebrities go through. The book will be out in the UK. Take care.

Unregistered 02-15-05 06:00 PM

Stu was the greatest. He physical and mentaly should not have played in the last WSOP event that he won. He always had his daughter on his mind during the whole time. And you know what? I remember watching that finals game. He looked like a zombie...but I will say this. He still won the whole enchilada. He must be god to win despite of the fatigue and demons he had to fight. Stu is in heaven and I would go all in on that bet!

bender2004 02-16-05 06:00 PM

I am just curious since I am relativly new to poker. I started just a year ago. 2 questions, If Stu Ungar were to enter an online site such as UltimateBet or Full Tilt poker Could he be as successful as in a live game (I mean completely torch the field) Secondly, with all the new online amateurs who play, would Stu still have domination over someone who will just call on anything and catch. Just curious.

uk defender 02-16-05 06:00 PM

Well i reckon for a start he would probably be playing in the biggest online game possible so you would have to be rich or stupid(or both) to "call on anything".As far as his maths skills...they will obviously be the same,perhaps become even more important online with RE value betting etc.Also his fantastc memory would also come into play alot remembering different players styles of play and deducing what hand his opponent holds from betting pattens over a number of hands.Its probably a very good guess that he would be a big winner at internet poker IMO!!

bender2004 02-16-05 06:00 PM

Okay that does make sense. Stu Probably wouldn't have a great deal of success in a micro limit game .05/.10 NL holdem or play chips simply because people play any 2 cards like aces. However in a big game say $25/$50 NL,betting patterns, bluffs, reading players more of that comes into play. I'm just curious about online reads because there are no facial jestures, no card or chip placement. Only the cards.

uk defender 02-17-05 06:00 PM

from what i understand of top level pro poker,alot less is learnt about an opponent from physical tells than you would think.The staring an opponent down and trying to make it look as if they can see into your sole is more to intimidate than anything else.Much more is learnt from betting pattens and the story of how a pot develops than someones tick!

vampyre 02-18-05 06:00 PM

im pretty sure the more intelligent u r the more averse u r naturally to irrational thoughts and beliefs which is what believing in god is. obviously there are exceptions but its pretty easy to see there is no god. u can actually just about prove it, i know i can. thats not to say that there is no higher intelligence that created the universe but certainly the judeo-christian-muslim beliefs are total bs. by the way stu was awesome and i wish u all the best. peace

pumpkinhead 02-19-05 06:00 PM

Dear Stefanie, I applaud your courage and am deeply moved by your devotion to your father. Every father should be so fortunate and I'm sure he now is as happy as any dad could be. I never knew your dad, just caught the end of his poker career. From what I can see he was the best, simply the best, as Mr. Stupak out it. I look at your dad as a tortured genius (maybe that wouldn't be a bad title :-). He certainly was a genius, and most geniuses not only find it nearly impossible to teach what they know, but many have trouble outside their comfort zone. Many also have addictive personalities, which can be a curse that counteracts the blessed genius. The bottom line is I believe what I read and hear about him being the best and I am pleased most of all that you have great memories of him. It's sad he won't get to see grandchildren in person (he will, however, from above), as I'm sure he'd love that. I hope the book works out well for you (and for his memory). Just a fan and a caring voice. Good luck to you and let me know if you'd like to e-mail chat sometime.

Anthony Martinenko 02-22-05 06:00 PM

Dear Vampyre, I usually do not respond to posts focusing on religion but yours caught my eye for one particular reason. When you mentioned intelligence making one more adverse to irrational thoughts I found myself remembering relating strongly to that statement when I was in a profession that always required analytical thought and proof. I actually did not change my thinking until I saw a documentory on Stephen Hawkins ( one of the most brilliant scientists of our time ) come to an analytical conclusion that was based on math that there was a God. I by the way am not a person who believes in any one particular religion as I believe they are some how all linked aathough I can never prove that lol. I guess my point in a nut shell is that I don't believe you have to be based in a particular religion to believe in God and I feel that if one of the most intellectual minds of our time changed his views based on math and probabilities then maybe you might reconsider the possibility. And I agree, Stu was awesome and I wish you all the best also.

uk defender 02-24-05 06:00 PM

Mike, What is the fascination with Stefanie Ungar????....youv'e never met her...don't know her...youv'e only heard of her father through his famous poker skills.Like ive said before on here,its great that she comes on here to answer questions and talk about her dad etc.But anything apart from discussions on her dad and poker is irrelevant to any topic.To be honest no matter how many times you assure us your'e not a weirdo the fact that you are so desperate for contact with this girl you dont know ANYTHING about is abit strange.The reason im saying this is I dont want her to leave these msg boards through some stalker because it is interesting hearing her talk about her dad.Take it easy.

nvflag 02-24-05 06:00 PM

Stephanie - The greatest single event and acheivement in your dad's life was when he accepted Jesus into his life. Jesus did not come to walk the earth 2000 years ago to condem all of us sinners, but to Save us. I am so glad to hear that your Dad was saved and is spending eternity in Heaven. And yes, his life and your book will probably help save many others from a life of addiction. I really hope you mention in your book about your dad accepting Jesus. That alone is worth more then any WSOP victories. Before all of you respond that I am some sort of Jesus freak. I am a former abuser of alcohol and drugs that has since turned his life around over the past 4 years by accepting and asking for Jesus help. And it worked !

Stefanie Ungar 02-24-05 06:00 PM

I definitely agree with you. I am so glad to hear that you have been clean for four years. You are one of the many, many people I know who has the same story as you do. I want his whole life story told in the book and movie so I have to figure out how to add that in there. Good luck to you and God Bless!

Mike L. 02-24-05 06:00 PM

Stefanie,I know there are lots of weirdos out there as you said, but I assure you I am not one of them, you would see that the moment you saw and hung out with me. as I said I am planning a move in the very near future to Las Vegas and would love a friend who knows the city a bit, restaurants, apt's etc.. I would really appreciate it if you discuss this with me via my email(jmaguire11@yahoo.com). I asked if you practice Judaism at all cause I am jewish myself from New jersey, living in Arizona now. I am very gifted at cards too, though I do not play poker or Gin rummy, only Blackjack actually, leaves the element of risk and luck out of the equation usually. I hope you can tell that I am super normal stefanie and a great guy. lets's get better acquainted, email me if you can please, nothing tried nothing gained. If you cant take the risk you cant reep the benefits :) later Mike

The Kid 02-25-05 06:00 PM

stefanie ur daddy was backed by bob stupak and not billy baxter before you get on here claiming to be someone your not get your facts together. R.I.P kid

Stefanie Ungar 02-25-05 06:00 PM

If you don't think my facts are straight then you could actually watch the ESNP piece that was done on my dad and you will see Billy Baxter telling the story from his own mouth. By the way, my dad was backed by just about everyone in town but on the last WSOP he entered he was backed by Billy. He had a thing about being backed. Don't ask me why!!

Bender2004 02-26-05 06:00 PM

It's pretty undisputed Stu was the best NL Holdem player ever. However how did Stu do in other games. Did he have the same domination in say Limit Holdem, 7 card Stud, Razz, Omaha, so on and so forth. Also yes Baxter bankrolled Stu for the 97' WSOP. Would love to see Stu in these mega fields and torch people half to death. I just hope that in my lifetime we see another king of the poker moutain.

Amir/Tus 02-26-05 06:00 PM

You know what hurts most?! To here some people judge stu or even talk about who he was , or where did he go wrong. it really hurts. Guys don't waste your time , the man was a legend and always Have been one. Thats a fact. And in the gambling world and specially poker his name will never be forgotten. The true poker players( the ones you love and idolised) even don't dare to talk about him.And don't you guys worried he has been blessed.you people who criticize him, please go and make something out of your own life.In the game he loved and in the world he chose to walke it, he did grave his name, and it will stay for ever. god bless your soul stu and million of us love you for ever.

Mike L.(Jmaguire11) 02-27-05 06:00 PM

stefanie, can you at least please email me (Jmaguire11@yahoo.com). I promise you I am not crazy at all, I am 26 and very educated, classy and normal actually. also, I only asked about Judaism cause I am jewish and I knew your dad was as well.. But as I said I may be moving to the Las vegas area real soon and would love a friend to meet up with there and know. someone who can show me around a bit and make the transition a little easier.. I think through all your experiences and situations and knowledge about your Dad can also help me out and make it so I benefit from his experiences and keep the mistakes to a minimum... knowledge is power and we all need all the help we can get. stefanie please have the courage to email so we can talk, you wont be disappointed or regret it at all, I promise you.thanks Mike

iveyfan05 02-27-05 06:00 PM

stalk much?

Stefanie Ungar 02-27-05 06:00 PM

I am not going to get together with you. That's nice to know you might be moving to Vegas, I am sure you'll like it. You don't even know if I still live in Vegas so how could I show you around. Plus that wouldn't be smart anyway. I am glad your a fan of my dad's but I can't hang out with everyone who say's they want to know more about him. So maybe when the book comes out that can help you in some of the areas you say you need more info on. Just to let you know, my dad didn't recomend becoming a prof gambler to anyone. He said it's a hard lifestyle that most people don't realize.

bklyn 02-27-05 06:00 PM

Its good to see we are acting like adults here!!! Stu was one of the greatest. Good to see some recognition!Leave the girl alone. if she is, she is if shes not, shes not. Who cares!!! To the stalker:dude get a life! you may want to call a service. or just go out and meet someone... you'll be in jail in 3 years for stalking i am sure!Great movie. Was informative!!

TommyT 02-28-05 06:00 PM

Ok first let me say that u guys should take it easy on Mike L. So what if he wants to meet the girl. Maybe he is lonely. Its not the best way to go about it but at least he tried. Sorry but that dont make him a stalker. Anyways i want to say that im looking forward to this book or movie or whatever to come out. Ur father was like a role model to me. And im sure he is in a better place now. I agree with ur father about the lifestyle also cause i live it. Well i mean the gambling part. Its not for everyone. U have to have the mind for it and it has to make u happy. Im 21 and i started gambling at the same age as ur father. And i remember reading a article about what happened and about his love for u and i think thats great. and like Mike L. i also think it would be cool to meet u. Anyways im out.

TommyT 02-28-05 06:00 PM

Oh and by the way Dutch Boyd is not the next greatest player in poker.(let me repeat IS NOT) He just doesnt have it period.

Unregistered 02-28-05 06:00 PM

Please Mr Stalker stop it!!...don't know about stef ungar but your'e a scarey bloke!. If you were as classy,educated as you keep saying you would abandon your futile request for contact with this girl. 1-she cant help you with your poker. 2-How do you know she even lives in Vegas. 3-How can stu ungar,help you with your life?...he had a raw natural talent for poker. You have an unhealthy fixation with him and his daughter. Get help....and stop saying she will regret it if she doesnt meet you.

TommyT 02-28-05 06:00 PM

Yes i agree, she is not going to help with ur poker game lol.

Unregistered 02-28-05 06:00 PM

crazy man needs to get a life and stop stalking the poor girl! BTW stu was the man!!

Dirk Diggler 03-01-05 06:00 PM

Poker God!!!!!!!!! 3 World Series Main Event Titles.... Incredible!!!!!!!!

jbare 03-02-05 06:00 PM

It seems to get lost in the shuffle: Stu won the 1981 Deuce to Seven Draw and 1983 Seven Card Stud at the World Series of Poker.

The Kid 03-05-05 06:00 PM

anyone got a torrent site for the movie

jake bullet 03-07-05 06:00 PM

hi stefanie. i like reading your post about your father you talk about him with great passion.you mention about a piece on espn any idea how to buy footage of your father playing the game, good luck with the book

Stefanie Ungar 03-08-05 06:00 PM

Somebody else told me that I talk about him with great passion too. I wonder what it is that I say or how I say it that you all can feel my love for him. I guess when you truly love someone it just shows. Sorry, I don't want to get all mushy with all. Honestly, I don't know where you can get that footage from my dad playing. I know the earliest footage there is of him playing is at the 1981 WSOP. The thing that was done for ESPN was a profile of his life. I am sure you can contact ESPN for that. Stefanie

Pravda 03-09-05 06:00 PM

I watched the movie High Roller a few times on cable already, who is the guy talking to Stu in the room? The guy Stu leaves with? Stefanie, my heart feels for you sweetheart. You dad lived a wonderful life, you should be very proud of him. It's not about how long your here, it's about what you do with your life while your here.

Don 03-09-05 06:00 PM

Hey Steph, any word on the book or movie. I was trying to do a little research on both but couldn't find out many details. Seems as though others are trying to make another movie on your fathers life. Saw a picture of you in a hotel room with your fathers picture. Pretty kool. I just would like to find the 1997 WSOP and get a copy of that. I can't imagine what would have been if your father tried to compete in all the WSOP. I think of him as a legend of the game. Hope all is well.

Stefanie Ungar 03-09-05 06:00 PM

I have told you guys before that the movie that came out already is not accurate AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!! That was MOSTLY ALL fiction. Yes they got it right that he won 3 World Series championships but the rest of it was ridiculious. If you noticed my name wasn't even "Stefanie" in the movie it was "Nicole." So when I get questions about the movie I can't even answer them because the movie wasn't even based on his true life and I have no clue who these other characters were either. The book my dad was in the middle of writing before he passed away will be out at the next WSOP. That is in June/July. They might be holding the championship in honor of my dad this year but that's not for sure yet. And the movie can't start being filmed until the book is released first so I'll keep you posted on the movie "REAL MOVIE" as time goes on. That picture you saw of me was right after my dad died when I was 16. It was actually in my bedroom. Talk to you all later. Stefanie

Pravda 03-10-05 06:00 PM

Stef, I obviously posted my question in the wrong forum. Which is my mistake. All these questions and comments seem to be directed towards you. I thought this was a regular open forum. My question was about the movie High Roller. Not about how accurate the movie is. The question was, who was the guy in the hotel room w/Stu suppose to be? Or symbolize? You came back w/ it's not accurate and mostly fiction. Which is fine but had absolutely nothing to do w/ my question. The question was for anybody who has seen the movie.

Jay V 03-10-05 06:00 PM

Dear Stefanie,I am anxiously awaiting the movie on your father coming out next week. I have read in many numerous places that a book by Nolan Dalla called "Behind The Shades" would be coming out, but I could never find an exact date or even timetable, but now I see that it will be out around WSOP 2005 so that is great news. I am looking forward to reading that book.Like many others, I first started watching poker in 2003 when ESPN began showing constant repeats of WSOP (not a bad thing), and I bought a book called Poker for Dummies. In this book, it had a section of the 10 greatest players of all time, and your father was obviously listed as one. It was the first time I had ever heard of your father, and I was so fascinated with his story, that I immediately had to google anything and everything on him that I could. What an amazing talent! I have ordered WSOP videos of the years your father won, so I can see exactly what it looks like to see a genius at work. You should be very proud of everything he accomplished, as he truly seemed like a special person that you only meet once in a lifetime. God bless you and your family.

Wanabe 03-10-05 06:00 PM

Damn, who moderates this? They're not doing a very good job just leaving thoughs comments up there. I bet it's people who lost alot of money to stu or wish they could have been blessed with his talents but there not. how can you compare phil helmuth (however u spell it) to stu? lol phil is a joke.. anyways i was all excited about the movie high roller until i came here and read all the comments.. now i probably wont even waist my money on that dvd... you book is called "One of a kind" right? Next WSOP? Meaning only sold at WSOP? Or will i be able to purchase it at amazon.com or something? I can't wait for your real movie to come out please keep us posted. I too have lost my father when I was 18... So I know how you feel keep your head up and be strong...

Wanabe 03-10-05 06:00 PM

I know why u talk about your father so much... Because It makes you feel good... It's like he's still there when you talk about him... At least thats how I feel.. Sorry for the double post... Peace

Stefanie Ungar 03-10-05 06:00 PM

It definitely is an open forum. I mostly only answer questions directed to me. But if I do have answers to some of the other question asked about my dad then I will answer those sometimes as well. But anyway the guy in the room is suppose to be a demon comming to take my dad's life after my dad tells the demon his life story. Yes my dad's book will be released everywhere and on amazon.com as well. Who's your connection Wanabe?

Wanabe 03-10-05 06:00 PM

Stef... not really sure what u mean by who's my connection... Please explain more...


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