i agree that party poker is INCREDIBLY shady. I cashed out like 300 in 2 days and havent cashed out more than 75 in the last 3 months the bad beats happen all the time and are sometimes the biggest BS u have ever seen (guys making runner runner flushes to beat trip aces and such)mayb im imagining it but pp has a lot more river suckouts than pokerstars, pacificpoker or ultimatebet. on the flip side, limit .5-1 is often a place where $ can b made cuz even if u get sucked out on u can only lose a limited amount and the playrs there suck. i think pp IS rigged but also if u play the right limits and tables, u can win

At first I was weary of THIS website, thinking there were just a bunch of crappy players talking about how they didnt win with AceKing all the time. HOWEVER, after playing quite frequently these past two months; it is quite obvious that something serious is going on with PartyPoker. I first opened an account with PP last summer, and had fun with it as well as making a reasonable amount of money with it. I cashed out everything, and didnt play again until last month. At first everything seemed all right, but after I cashed out twice, and had some disputes with them about verifying my account, things started to seem very very odd. It's not just the crappy players making a flush on the river with 10c 2c, when the flop is Ad Qs 7c. It's the fact that newly signed up players seem to win more often; it seems like PP is trying to sucker them in, making them think they can win, and after a while, just shutting them down. I tried this myself, I created a new account, and deposited some money, and after playing the cards the same way I did with my other real money account, I actually won a fair bit of money. Not so with my first real money account, this past week has been amazingly awful, I never seemed to get any cards to help me or anything, and other players always get their impossible draws. Its crazy. And unbelieveable. I definitely agree with steve, the cards in playmoney are amazingly different and relatively more realistic than the real money tables seem to be. PP seems to want to lure people in, and then kill them. All in all, PP is like a heroin drug dealer, at first they seem cool and the drugs are good. Then after a while, when your money is gone and you are diagnosed with AIDs, you realize you've been swindled. Screw PP though, I'm just going to keep opeing new accounts :)PS. never play pocket pairs unless you have AA, cause someone always has a better pkt pair!

youre comparing poker to acquiring AIDS? thats a little drastic. i know pp is rigged, and i keep playing. you guys have to think long term, you will not be millionaires in two weeks with a 200 dollar deposit. it sthe same with me in that i have been on two week dry streaks, two week badbeat streaks, etc. i just got done emailing them, asking them to control their system, as i went thru a string of improbable (not impossible)badbeats. their cardplay is not fair, but i keep playing. if you guys play good cards, and make the correct moves, in the long run it will pay off. im not high level, since november, ive deposited 675 bucks. with cashouts, and current acct, im at 581 bucks. i was down nearly all of my deposits, but i am working it the right way now. you guys need to realize that poker is a game of patience. you can fold nearly all the way to the money most times, so if you just played proper hands, you could score everytime. poker is also a game of capitalizing off of your opponents mistakes. if you play a winning style of poker, you will win. stop crying, and realize that sometimes, your pocket nines arent so good....

its also a strategy. if the player count is low (in tourney play), and theres an allin with a call, fold the pocket 7s, or the A10. sometimes stepping out of the way pays too...

Hi Guys Paul Again,As a gambler we all no doubt recognize and accept the "laws of average" factor.It cannot and will not be denied. I play Blackjack at a local casino. I usually play at the $25 minimumtable for hours at a time. I have seen dealers go on fantastic streaks of luck as well as players. Suddenly a reversal of fortunes surfaces and it goes vice versa. The same trends occur when I play in the casino's poker room, I can go an hour, sometimes more without getting involved in a hand, no viable pockets to even play loose with. While online I experience the same trends. I go bad and then suddenly I get a rush of winning pockets. As for the droughts occurring after money withdrawals from online poker rooms, it's just a coincidence. I would love to blame my droughts on rigged software. The other night there were over 80,000 players online at one time. Now just how in the world do you figure they singled you out? Out of the entire population of "players currently online" do you suppose any software can do that?!!!They can deliver weak pockets which I refer to as a "lags" because they delay your game as any good poker player will bide his time and wait, wait, wait and wait some more if need be for a viable hand.The community board may be a tad juiced as well, but then again it is going to lose for you and win for you in turn, as the "laws of average" kicks in again! Same thing at a Blackjack table when a player does the opposite move with his/her hand as he should and then the dealer instead of making a solid hand, BUSTS! Nobody wants to kick the lame player unless the dealer makes a 21. Same thing in online poker rooms. You seem to remember the "bad beats" more predominantly than the hands you committed the bad beat on yourself. Human nature, we are basically negative creatures. Some more than others, thus the constant complaining and finger pointing. A decent comparison for the online community boards would be looking back to when you were learning poker as a kid, remember when deuces were wild? That creates excitement and more possibilities for everyone's hand involved. Again, it works for you and against you within the guidelines of the "laws of average". It's how you play the winning hands that differs the winners from losers.Maximize your wins and minimize your losses. It's just that simple. Rigging? Yes. But not individual conspiracies! Well guys/gals that's the way I see it.

I Play At This Site Only When A Reload Is Offered.i Play Internet Poker Professionally.is It Rigged, No Idea. But When I Put My Numbers Along Side The 9 Other Sites I Play At For Bonus Purposes It Isn't Even Close, This Site Ranks Dead Last In My Profit/hr Category. I Am A Very Tight Player. Can This Site Be Beat, Of Course. Can Others Sites Be Beat For More Per Hour, For A Tight Player Like Me, No Question.unless I'm Being Paid I Never Log On This Site.

XXxxoVoxxXXWhere do you feel a good semi-passive player like myself can make the most per hour? Do you like sits?Thanks!

I haven't been playing for long but Party Poker seems fishy. When I first started playing the real money tables, I was winning like crazy. Tripled my 50$ in 2 days playing like a complete fish. Then I lost it all over the next two weeks. Lost on 7 bad beats in a row once, three of them were cracked pocket Aces. Caught a flush on the flop, was called with top pair and a 2 kicker. He caught runners for the full house. I played raked hands for the bonus they offered me and I made $60 in an hour on the $.50 tables! Won another $50 the next day. Then I started losing like crazy once again. I recently swithched to the $10 tables. I made $200 in 3 days. I was finishing in the money 85% of the time. Over the course of the next week, I could not catch a hand. I played most tournaments without ever seeing better than a Jack. And if I did get something I went down on a bad beat. Every time I try something new, I catch whatever card I'm looking for, and then it's followed by a tremendous drought. I know bad beats and streaks happen, but they happen all the time on Party Poker. I don't play for money. I play for fun. But when the hands are stacked against you, it quits being fun. I have noticed that I'm rewarded for loose play. If I start going all in like crazy, I start winning. But that's not fun either.

Much better site than PokerStars. Cashouts are prompt. Customer service is prompt. Good play is generally rewarded the majority of the time, unlike "RiverStars". The Multi Tables could have better structure (I prefer Ultimate Bet for those) but on the whole, this is the most popular site for a reason. I've never had a cashout or deposit problem and never had a reason to suspect the software. Recommended.

Nice bonus promotion, the best in the world. The game is rigged but if you play well in the distance you win, shure!! The game is rigged because the lucky is simulated, the card are not random.

Generally happy w/ PP with the following exceptions;1) customer service is deplorable2) redemption of points for merchandise is a joke...I entered an order about 3 months ago....no merchandise, no response from customer service, no nothing3) too many players in the cash games can "sit out" for extended periods which ruins the game...I think if you are gone more than 5 minutes you should be booted off. If you are the 3rd player "sitting out" you should be booted off. I've seen players sit out for 20 to 30 minutes at a time. It's not fair to the other players.4) Yes, it does seem that too many bad hands are rewarded with their 3-out river card...but I haven't documented it to seeif the odds stand up. It's just an opinion.5) Too much rude behavior is tolerated...some of the lunatics on PP should have their IM privileges revoked.BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S A GREAT SITE!

Unreal is all I can say about it. The amount of people that call and hit two outers is unreal. It is like the bots know when its coming. I reload the bonuses and then take off. Have no use for this site

PP is rigged. If you cash out you get targeted! They will make u lose so you reload your account! Been playing here for years and win after deposits and lose to unbelievable hands when I cash out! It is unrealistic to see what people call with and then river you! Looking for a new site that is more realistic! lost with a full house on the flopp A/k and the guy calls my all in with a pair of 2s and gets a two at the turn and a two at the river. Come on now what kind of bologna is that? Have an 87 on the big blind flop is 8 A 8 turn card is a 7 all in A at the river to beat me.... they will pit two players against eachother and wait for the action to fly. Especially in tournament play, they will pit you against players with the same amount of chips to get rid of one of you. Go play lotto, chances are bettter and more fair!!!!!!!

Party poker along with several online poker sites are rigged. But they aren't doing it to make you lose large pots, they're doing it to collect a large rake... Try an experiment... if you ever wind up a shortstack at a 1 on 1 table at any poker site, watch how you will suddenly get a good run of cards.. this is just to keep the balance of chips flowing back and forth so they grate in the rake.

yet another method to loot u dumb americans LOOOL

I have only played PP for online poker play. With that being said I have to agree with a lot of what is said here. At first I won a lot. Then after cashing out a couple of times the "Amazingly Long" losing streaks would occur. I would get beat by the most incredible hands that would always come ON THE RIVER. This same scenario also has happened to several of my friends as well. It didn't matter what I had pocket Aces, Pocket Kings, Three of a kind. Several players stay in with low hands that should never call the healthy raises myself and others I know put in. It is also amazing how many straights there are. What are the odds of being dealt the same 3,4 hand in a row?? It happened to me 8 times in a row. Quite questionable in my book. I recommend playing the play money tables as it is fun and won't cost your pocket book and you can still see all the BS bad beats and straights.

Party Poker totally rigged site. After initially winning then losing on single tables (Like most people) thought I would small cash tournaments. I have played in four over the last week. 3 times I went all in after getting short stacked got 3 outragious beats and 1 where I was marginal favourite 55% to win but lost. The first was Tourney was a classic, short stacked went all in after the flop was 98.1% favourite to win (checked with card calculator afterwards) but opponent found two miracle cards on forth and fifth street. Ridiculous Site. Of course the site is going to cheat everyone, so it makes me laugh when I see people on this board thinking they are poker gods because they win and think they think the rest of us are fish. Not so, get a grip and find the truth.

Follow up to the above. Made a couple of spelling errors and typos in my comments above. Line should read (Of course the site is Not going to cheat everyone)I have about 7 $ left in my account. Will play a very small money tournament when I get chance for the comedy value. Will post my bad beat when it comes.

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I'm writing to tell a brief story and to admit that I can't prove cheating takes place, but hear me out. I received these starting hands in order(5 / 10 holdem) - QQ, 77, JJ, Q3, 10/10, AK, JJ, 8/8, Q9, 10/10. Now, I won some of these hands, but I lost 2 of them to pocket aces. How is it possible to get 7 pocket pairs and one AK out of ten hands and match two of them up against AA? I've been playing casino poker for 12 years and online for about 6 years at 4 different sites. Party Poker has to have some problems wtih it's ability to deal cards randomly. I've won substantial money at other sites and only lost a little here, but I don't think I'll continue. Can anyone explain or refute my claim, logically? Please use logic, not a ridiculous assumption that the site has "no" reason to cheat. More money is reason enough to cheat. Please respond with some other arguement.

i GOT THE SOLUTION FOR YOU AllPartypoker duped me nicely, so what did i do, go play at a caisno where I can actually see the dealers, CASINO WEBCAM, you can actually see the cards being dealt live on a webcam, and play poker and all other casino games interactively! 100% signup bonus!

So many of the complaints about PP echo my experience with the site. One thing that has not been mentioned which I have noticed and question is the mouse over giving your location and what does "Not Available" mean. Well, I found out what it means one night as another player demanded to know if the N/A player was an employee of Empire or Party Poker. The N/A player at first stalled on the response and finally when the other player told him to "Answer me". The PP employee responded "Yes, Sir." The table soon broke up. Many tables now have N/A players that are more than likely fielded bots with a human overseer to respond to chat. Anyway, I am done with PP after reading the comments here that have re-inforced my own experiences.

Never seen such a lier. In my whole expierience playing here, and all my friends, too, no one has seen an "n/a" player.

I have seen the N/A player/bots.....and to my recollection only in the SNGs. Now everything makes more sense with the all postings here.

I play a lot live in the UK and the US, and have seen a lot of strange things. BUT online poker is definately stranger. Flushes and str8s are classed high hands because they dont happen often. And yet once I had withdrawn a large win from a UK site (ladbrokes) I start losing despite playing in the exact same style as before. pocket kings, flop 597, all in, three opponents call... they all have ace high... two cards to come... A on the river... had to be.... next 5 games.. beaten in the exact same way.. solid cards defeated by lesser cards, against the odds.... ok, so thats poker right.... except.. I switched and used my GF's account who hadnt played much, and immediately started winning.. no change in play style... dipped back to my account again, axed out of that game with pocket king's, flop 2k3 , two players called one with ace high, the other with 3's and an ace kicker.....guess the turn, guess the river. The odds of that happening are immense. and had it been a one off, I could beleive it bad luck... The interesting thing is, that my GF's account is still lucky.... now I wonder what happens if I withdraw that cash?

Do Not Play On This Site!!!! Beware!!! You Will Have Extremely Good Luck At First, But Then You Will Go On A Losing Streak No Matter What You Do! Do Not Try To Withdraw Money And Keep Playing Because You Will Lose The Remaining Balance. I Have Run Into The Same Problem Along With 4 Other Friends Of Mine That Play Nl Holdem Poker!!! Poker Stars And Absolute Poker Are Pretty Good Sites But The Hands Seem A Little Fishy Sometimes. I Feel That Full Tilt Poker Has The Most Honest Software Program!!!!! Do Not Play Party Poker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dude take a deck of cards and deal out 10 two card hands and deal out a flop, turn and a river. You WILL find that 99% of the time the best "pre-flop" hand will not be the winner. If alot of players go to the river every time, same is true with online poker. doesn't mean it's rigged..

Bad Players+bad Beats+bad Cards After A Cash Out+bad Customer Service=one Heck Of A Great Party Poker Experience..........not!good Luck To All Believe Me.......it Won't Be Enough

nice tourneys lots of players loads of ring games available, nice jackpots available for bad beat and high hand, cant think of anything bad to say about this site

Sorry fellas, no doubt about it, party poker and paradise are complete rip-offs. Collusion abounds, and that's not the bad part.I interviewed 2 designers and ex-employees. They independently verified that there are phantom players, employees for whom part of their compensation is playing when they can see everyone's cards.It's not in the tourneys or the 1-2 tables, it goes on in the pot limit games all day long. I have identified several players whose id's say they are from the US or Europe, but my digital pcm puts them in costa rica.Luckily, the magazine I am writing for is paying for the $4,000 it took to download enough hands as verification.You will read the article this summer.Here's a quick synopsis - if you play at party poker or paradise poker in anything other than a 1-2 game, you can pretty much kiss your $$$$ good-bye.

I think it's true - looking at a PL 1000 Omaha player at 4 tables for 12 hours now and counting, from 3am when first spotted him - with his location as "Not Available". Funny thing is the guy is up only $200 net with all that playing time and never pre-flop raises.

Believe the hype - PP is NOT legit at all. Trust me, I'm not one to be overly superstitious about poker - if i take a lot of bad beats, i'm gonna take my cold run of cards like a man. But for the last week, immediately following a significant withdrawal of cash from my account, i have seen an unbelievable number of bad beats. EVERY big NL pot i get into i get outdrawn - one hand i had top trips with 10-10, and someone went all in with AK and caught a running JQ to win. If that happened just once, I'd understand that's just the way poker is, but i've had beats like that repeatedly ever since i took money out of my account, so i dont think its a coincidence any more.

It still amazes me how bad poker players need to create a "conspiracy theory" to explain how bad they are. Just say it: YOU SUCK! I am not a pro, nor have I been playing since the Nixon administration. I play as a hobbie and for fun one a week for the past 6 years or so. Never have I suffered because of a cashout, I suffer because millionaires will sit at a 1-2 table and call and raise anything with anything. I guarantee that if you sit at a 10-20 table, all the stupid crap dissapears. People call anything for a dollar. But make then call $100 with bottom pair or a gutshot and I guarantee fewer bad beats. Most of these idiots who claim "bad beat" are ones who will call and raise two black aces to the river and beyond even after 4 hearts hit the board and claim bad beat. I watch you do it time and time again, and you make me a pretty nice chunk of change in the process. Read a book, take a lesson, use half a brain and an ounce of common sense and you'll win. got pockets with an overcard on the board, check or fold. If u take a chance and lose, its your ass. A4 beating KK is only a bad beat when your dumb enough to play your kings when its obvious the other guys got an ace. You think it doesn't happen in real life, watch the 2004 U.S. poker Championship the next time its on. John D'agostino took it in the ass 4 times at the final table and blew 1.5 million chips in less than an hour. He had aces cracked by J5s, had TT cracked by 87 hitting quads on the turn, had KK in a hand with QQ and JJ at the same time when the flop hits QJx. Are the rng's completely random, NO. randpmness is impossible by a computer. but its as close as you can bet it. And for any idiot who needs a conspiracy theory, heres another theory, go play canasta, its cheaper.

Amazing, just happened again! Just won a $300 pot from a guy who called me down to the river with KK with the board showing a queen, jack, ten, and 3 diamonds. Then proceeds to tell me that I just gave him the worst beat he's taken in over a year. (got a free look with A7s from BB called a minimum bet with nut flush draw on flop, bet 50 on turn, 100 on river) This is what is represented by half the idiots in this forum. This IS NOT a bad beat, this is flat out stupidity. Big difference.

I guess I find it very humorous the people who talk about how great their playing is when they deposit, and how bad it gets when they cashout. What I'm wondering is, if you believe that you win when you deposit (because of some grand machinations of collusion or crime going on at PartyPoker), then why not just keep redepositing money every week or so. This should keep you winning forever. Then, when your account reaches 1,000,000 you can just cash out and never play there again. Sigh...

Full of house cheats making unusual bets and drawing on the river, time after time after time. RUN, DON'T WALK FROM THIS SITE!!!!!!!!!!!

Honk honk, big daddy and all the other PP employees. Yes, you are brilliant, why aren't you playing pro? Does your day job changing tires challenge you that much?Of course the employees and honks and cyberrefs have chirped in "Well, it's just that you suck" refrain with a chorus of "show me your proof". Damien's work is already out there online, see him play 2 different ID's at once at the same table. There's the proof about collusion. Argue it, please, prove what an idiot you are.Next, the employees are playing and can see your cards. No, they are NOT going to rape the table completely, just take down 2 or 3 hundred in an hour or 2 maybe twice or 3 times a week. Know how far $600 goes in Costa Rica? I don't believe in hearsay, and can't publish it. What I do believe is the videos I have of ex-employees showing me how they can see EVERYBODY's CARDS!!!Party poker is rife with cheating. Stick to the 50 cent game and it doesn't matter, but by all means stay away from the high stakes and pot limit games.

Changing tires is gonna make me 10 times more money than this bullshit "magazine" of yours most people wouldn't even bother wiping their asses with. 2 different id's at once at the same table? register at party poker and empire poker from different computers. Simple. You're the biggest moron of the bunch. I am supposed to believe ex-employees are gonna talk to some schmuck like you, put it in a magazine nobody can be bothered with instead of going to the "real" media? If it was true, it would be all over the place by now. As far as I go, i am not a cheat and can beat you out of much more than 4 grand in a lot less than 2 or 3 hours. Your interviews are bull####, your article is bull####. you are bull####. And if it actually took you 4 grand to figure this out, your a bigger moron than I give you credit for. I dont believe in hearsay either, and until you put your money where your mouth is, thats all you are, therefore, your article is hearsay. The only fraud here is you.

Here is a great example of the software being set up to raise the pots in a NL table. I caught 99 in the pocket/ The flop came J 9 5 / Obviously I played this hand quite aggressively being there were no straight or flush draws/ Me and another guy bet and raised all the way to the river/ He had JJ in the pocket making his set better! What are the odds of that happening.

This is the only site I have tried and I can tell you that almost 70% of the hands are predetermined. I play every other day in Atlantic City at the Taj and I have never seen so many pocket pairs being dealt at the same time. The bottom line is anyone can get lucky and win on this site but your skill is devalued due to the unfair software.