I used to work for Party poker, in the admin & accounts section.The flops that are dealt out at parts are designed to create action, its as pure and simple as that.The flops are 'random', but they are 'randomly GOOD'.As far as i was aware employees could not see users cards, however, their were LOTS of instances where players (hackers) could exploit the software, and were able to tell what cards other players were holding.This was happening all the time, and none of the staff (including programming) could do anything about it, because they simply did'nt know how hackers were manipulating the software. If you do choose to play at Party poker be aware that this site is RIFE with hackers.

Just to add to my previous posting : we used to ban/suspend around 10 accounts a week, usually for players that were chatting on the Party site about the sort of things this forum topic is regarding.The banned accounts allways had their funds 'frozen' , so be very carefull. Ann.

Guys, please stop this nonsense about rigged sites. The only (proven) way sites stole player's money is much simpler than making biased shuffle - PokerSpot was the most prominent example. I'm 100% sure that _none_ of the big rooms is intentionally rigged; as for Stars' - I had doubts about them at some point (after a bad beat streak obviously) and asked them to send me the whole history of my play there; when I've got it, I made all kinds of statistical analysis with it (and I have a degree in maths) - and came up with nothing beyond statistical expectations. So until somebody will provide a mathematical proof (rather than emotional "he got one-outer, it should NEVER happen, at least not to me") - I won't even consider such a possibility. Face it, guys - bad beats is an integral part of poker. And those who cannot deal with it, just should not play poker, ever - there are other ways to have fun in life.

Notice how you almost always get a good hand dealt when you first arrive at a table. Also notice how newcomers to the table almost always get dealt a good hand. By good hand, I mean one that you almost always will come into the pot with and not necessarily win. I have seen the win-lose-win-lose-win-lose cycle for over two months. I too began to loose when I made a withdrawal. I suspect that PP seeds your player ID to win at first, then lose.I have seen way too many second best hands that are ridiculous.A few weeks ago I witnessed 4 Royal Flushes, one of them my own, in the space of three hours. What are the odds of that?BTW they gave away the bad beat jackpot that same weekend. Someone with a really good hand got beat by the Royal Flush.That is when I started to watch for the idiosyncrocies of the deal.Yes, I too could start playing A2o, A6s early, bull-sith, bull-sith, but for some strange reason, I don't catch the flop, turn or river. My opponents do though, when I have AAA they have 4444. FISHY site!

Here's why you see more bad beats at Party than anywhere else:There are a lot of terrible players playing there. If there are more opportunities for someone to suck out, then there will be more suck outs.As far as comparing the free money game to real play, it's impossible. People just don't play free money the same way... they're conditioned by TV poker to go 'all in' before the flop. These morons don't realize that the pros only do this at the end of a tourney, when they're short stacked and about to be blinded out of the game.Party is legit, you just need to modify your play to accomodate all the FISH.

Avoid this site at all costs. Ask anyone who has played this site. When a player gets down to all in or very short stacked party poker will deal this player a winner about 90% of the time. It is suppossed to be random. You will lose your $$$$ at this site.

party poker is rigged. how many times have we seen full houses, flushes, 4 of a kind, then how many times would you see that in real life?????you are truly kidding yourself if you don't believe it's rigged

OKAY, LET'S SUM UP ALL WE KNOW ABOUT PARTY POKER!!!1. Most people have experienced extended losing streaks after cashouts.2. Most people (dare I say all people?) have seen a few 4 of a kinds, which just doesn't happen in real life3. EVERYONE has seen someone go all in on 2 5 os and catch a full house or 4 of a kind or some such rubbish, beating AA or other.4. PartyPoker is licensed in Gibraltar - do you know what it takes to get licensed in Gibraltar? nothing but $$$5. Have another look at the nice logos that partypoker sports and tell me how many actually MEAN anything in the real world - none. They relate to non-gaming issues, such as software security, or they are members of dodgy 'authorities'.I got an email stating that partypoker was regulated by the government of Gibraltar, so I checked out what that means. The answer is simple - nothing. It just means that they pay money to the government for being a Gibraltar-based company.You hear of people who blame losing on bad play - the number of times I have seen AA cracked by absolute rubbish is too countless to mention.Anyone who thinks partypoker is legitimate needs to watch game after game of real poker played live, then make a decision.As for RTP (return to player), it is uncanny how similar this is to online slots. Poker has completely different odds, yet if you look at what you have spent compared to what you have made, and then compare this again to a wider group of players, I can say with absolute confidence that you will find the RTP at almost exactly 93%Don't be fooled by ANY online gaming site - they are in business to take your money, they are in the business to keep you interested until the moment that you wish to leave, they are, in effect, parasites, sucking out your cash without any remorse.

Whilst I acknowledge the arguments above about loose players causing more bad beats (that I can live with), my concern is mainly that the low chip player in an all in hand loses so often on PP. It seems that they need to reduce the tournament/sit & go numbers at a set rate which basically screws the low chip players. Having studied hands odds, I know that when I am low stack and go in ONLY with a good ace or pair above 9s, I should usually (1 in 3 times or so, depending on what I am up against) be able to double up. In reality I win these hands only about 1 in 20 times, and see the same thing happening to the other people at the tables. I also experienced a winning streak when I first started playing and now, even though my game has not changed at all, cannot even get close. Would appreciate any suggestions of better (honest) sites to play.

just a little note,ive played at absolute,ive seen the incredible moves,some players make,iv complained,to no avale the sites dont care unless they catch you,what i would like to know,is someone or can someone do anything about it,i like playing,take the good with the bad,its just not a level playing field,if someone can see your cards.is their anything out there,to stop cheats???how can you really spot a cheat???

this site is rigged PERIOD!... they have their own players... their are hackers that can exploit the software and see your hole cards... why play at a site like this that is so obviously DODGY when their are loads of honest sites around.The posters here standing up for party poker are either cheating or work for party.... keep away from this dodgy sh1thole...BTW: they are not regulated by ANYONE... thats total BS

I wish when I made my first deposit I won with anything - like some people claim has happened to them, only to lose with good hands after a win streak. Unfortunately, I learned that I have alot to learn about playing poker... play money teaches you NOTHING!!!! I made my first deposit and lost it all that same night, because I played poorly. My next deposit lasted almost a week, apparently I learned something. My next deposit will hopefully last longer. Not sure I believe the site is rigged... you play twice as many hands in a sitting than a real b&m or home game... therefore you see twice as many bad beats than in real life. Poker is a game of skill, but also a game of LUCK... it is gambling... no one can win every hand... not everyone can be the next Gus Hanson (calling an all-in with 10-8 offsuit)... if he could call that bet in a live tourney and win, why can't an online player do the same and get lucky as well. As for the stat keepers, statistics even out in the LONG RUN, keep your stats going and you will see... 6000 hands will hardly represent the true odds.... with a ten person table, there are 168,048,732,312,823,708,461,925,671,413,760 different possibilities of hands being dealt = 1326 (different starting hands) to the tenth power (number of players, in a specific order) * ten (different positions)........ most people will never see the true odds represented, some people are doomed to lose in their lifetimes... and apparently they all came here to complain.

In addition, to people who say that four of a kind never happens 2 or 3 times in a 'real game', I hit four of a kind three times in one night at a real home game in a few hours.... I guess the party poker god somehow rigged my home game.... the nerve of these deities! Also, about the rake.. to put things into perspective, if ten people bought into a $100 table at a real casino with a $3 rake and the obligatory $1/2 tip per win, the casino would take almost ALL the money in roughly 8 hours of play if everyone stayed until they lost, leaving only one winner who may only have his initial buy-in left, depending on how quickly the other people lost. Hmmm, casinos make money.. PP makes money. I once saw a breakdown of millions of hands played at pokerroom by expected value.... they all evened out to expected odds in the longrun. Poker is a lifetime game, it is not impossible to have a losing streak last months or even years.... some things in statistics are highly improbable, BUT NOT IMPOSSIBLE!!!!

Mental Note: If You Really Want To Make The Money.... Start A Poker Site!!!!

I am not sure about anything. I play in the 30 and 50 dollar hold'em single table sit and gos. I have won a little over $1000 in the past couple months, but I sense I should be winning more. I recently placed 4th (just out side the money) in 14 out of the last 20 tournaments I played in. This sucked, but it is NOT outside the realm of possibility, but it is HIGHLY unlikely. Things like that kind of make me wonder. But then again, I will occasionally win 3, 4, or even 5 tournaments in a row. As for the apparent propensity for a bad luck streak to strike after a cash out, I am not sure. However, I would venture to guess that the reason people cash out in the first place is because they were just on a good luck streak. Luck runs in streaks, and what goes up must come down. As for hackers or party poker cheats, they probably exist, so I guess you just gotta be that much better.

i deposited $50 yesterday at partypoker and today my bankroll is $35037.66. I am the best poker player alive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This site is definitely rigged. As I have gotten better as a poker player I am finding the worse and worse I do. At first when I would fish quite often I had tripled my money in no time at all. The more seasoned I became, the worse I did. After I played real poker with my friends one day, and I told them I played Party Poker they told me it was rigged - which at the time, I didn't believe. When I went home I fired up Party Poker to play a few hands. In the utmost irony I witnessed the most ridiculous things happen for the first time. My first hand of the night was pocket Kings (pretty sweet first hand). Flop came up K,4,J all different suits. Next two cards come up clubs (Jack is a club too). What do you know, guy beats my trip kings with a flush on the river. And not just any flush, 2 4 suited. Wtf? The VERY next hand I am dealt pocket aces. As if THAT alone isn't sketchy enough, with KK then AA back to back. Regardless, flop comes up J 8 4. Turn is 5. River a 6. Guy wins with a straight J 7 suited. I wasn't quite as upset with that loss since it wasn't as ridiculous as the hand before, but lame none the less. Nothing can convince me anymore that the site isn't rigged. I've heard enough good poker players come to the same conclusion as well to give it any second thought.

Very interesting reading this stuff! I have not yet played any online games and based on what I read here would be mad to do so without at least some investigation. One question comes straight to my mind though, if games are rigged why make it appear so blatant as many of these stories would indicate? If there are bots playing predetermined outcomes you would only need to program them to win a little more often than they should and they will still get your money eventually but subtly enough for it take a very long time to detect.

Good point prestbury.... if games are rigged (and I don't think they are) then why would they rig the games in such obvious ways... they could simply rig good starting hands and take the money.... I think people are seeing bad poker players throwing money around that doesn't mean much to them.... if I was wealthy I just might go into a low stakes room and play like a maniac, but the money means too much to me... none of the hands written about above surprise me, I've seen them in home and casino games.... either people aren't raising enough to protect their hands or they are playing limit and getting rivered... happens all the time. Unfortunately, you cannot prove that a conspiracy doesn't exist, that is why they are always so appealing... perhaps some people won't admit that they are simply bad poker players and won't accept the fact that some people get lucky...

It used to be a good fair game (when I was a new player). After a few months I got the feeling there was something not quite right, but I put it down to just plain bad luck. After consistently (over weeks) winning ONLY every 15th hand..over and over, I took the hint..these guys just don't want me here anymore.I kept at it (god knows why) but it just got worse. Then on the day before the 4th July long weekend I was unbeatable - over and over - it was a awesome! Then the next day it didn't matter what I had - it was beaten over and over again.I've actually recorded the games as avi's so anyone can see what sort of crap is going on at this site.Do they cheat? YES It's so blatant and becoming increasingly blantant over the last few months (as they are loosing money from competing sites I suspect)You may not be aware of this, but they take screen shots of your desktop while your playing. I guess it's an anti-fraud measure, however, this is also against the law. I'm surprised that they are still operating, though I have been watching their ownership move from country to country.I will personally laugh my ass off when the owners are all finally busted and imprisoned. Then they'll know how it feels to be fucked over.

I started my online playing with PP and found at the start it was great, but have also noticed lately the extreme amounts of bad beats.. And I have started to believe all this hype about them jucing the hands to increase the rake, yes its possible to win but Im fed up with the amount of crud that occurs compared to the local casino or other online poker sites. I think there is a reason why PP makes so much money :\

Deffo a dodgy site. keep your $$$ away from party poker

I'll tell you what, this site is a crock of sh**. Ive wasted so much money trying to kid myself i could win back the ridiculous losses ive recieved. Im talking about guys flopping quads meanwhile im sitting with a pretty full house. Also i know what you guys are talking about.... maye it be that 1 or 2 cards that could beat you its always thsoe cards there holding. Im seriously convinced party poker pays people to sit down at tables and feeds them info about upcoming cards or maybe even the cards your holding. It always goes like this, win money, lose more money, win some more lose it all. Now i know thats how poker goes ive been playing forever, but the way it happens on this site is just ridiculous! PEACE and DOWN WITH PARTY POKER!!!!

Party poker is RIGGED I'm gonna SUE Them. the way the random cards are dealt is not random at all. Just like pple just said, u win the beginning and keep on losing no matter what. What's with the river cards. There is just so much river cards that make pple over and over and over non-stop. Serioulys IT SEEMS LIKE PPLE WHO KEEP ON RAISING USUALLY GET THE RIVER CARD AND WINS. SO IF U WANT TO WIN JUST KEEP ONG RAISING AND U WILL WIN ON THE RIVER. THATS HOW FUCKING PARTY POKER WORKS IT SUCKS. GO TO A CASINO GURANNTEE U WILL WIN THERE!!!!

Can't believe they have managed to fool so many people.Saw yet another of the crazy sights you can witness at party poker yesterday walked into the room (50 NL) most of the players had about the same stack (around 35 $ ).As soon as i entered i witnessed mass carnage.First off a few pre flop raises - nothing unusual there flop hits .... 2 players go all in rest fold one player wins with a straight the other had trips.Player who just lost his 35$ swiftly leaves.. Next hand no preflop raises looking pretty normal.. flop hits .... another player on around 35$ makes a small raise.Player who just won (on 70$) goes all in then the other player calls...This one player has made 70$ in 2 hands and is now on over 100$ but its not over yet.Comments in the chat are like "OMG" "unbelievable" .Next hand - same player hits flush.He called a 5$ bet with nothing and hit runner-runner.Theres now only 3 people in the game including me( the rest where probably scared off by his extrodinary luck).Im thinking ok hes had his bit of luck i know hes won a lot but his streak must stop now theres just no way .... how wrong i was.I get dealt KK im thinking this hand is in the bag with only 2 other players.They are fairly agressive so i put in a small pre flop raise ... this guy (now on over 100$) comes over the top.Im thinking after all that theres no way he can catch 4 big hands in a row he must be bluffing.I go all in .. big mistake he CALLs .Flop hits... J 3 7im getting ready to pat myself on the back for doubling up turn 5 river 2.I then watch my chips sail in his direction as he turns over his J 7oi then leave the table as this guy sits there alone having cleaned everyone out and made nearly 200$ from 35 in the space of a few hands.Could you see this thing happen anywhere else apart from the rediculously rigged party poker .p.s its a shame the rating system doesnt go down to 0 giving party poker a 1 is to much of a compliment

I couldn't agree more..... i've seen what you described above just 2 many times on here to be a coincidence. Are people really that naive to see that all these sites are fishy? And the answer is YES! Common sense people.

Did I seriously just read a post from above that states, "go to a casino, guaranteed you will win there"? I hope everyone takes that advice expecting to win... as a matter of fact that's what everyone thinks when they play at PP, which is why everyone who has complained on this site cries conspiracy... I have a suggestion, EVERYONE TRY THIS: deal out ten hands of hold 'em face up and deal the community cards... then tell me how often the best starting hand wins, I have seen about a 20% win rate for dominating starting hands. For some reason people think that their kings or aces must hold up unless there is fraud. And for those that complain about being on a table with a lucky winner (whom they call a shill / bot), why don't you switch tables until you are fairly sure everyone is playing the cards they are dealt. I have played plenty of legit tables at PP... when something seems funny I leave the table and go to another. It's just like in a casino, you have to pick your tables wisely. Take careful notes on all suspect players and don't play with them in the future, it's that simple. PP allows all players to pick their own spots, take endless notes on any player, and hit and run from table to table if they so choose... those that don't take advantage of these features deserve to lose... IF YOU THINK A PLAYER IS A BOT, LEAVE THE TABLE YOU MORONS!!!!! TAKE CAREFUL NOTES YOU ILLITERATE LOSERS!!!!! IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE BAD BEATS, DON'T PLAY POKER!!!!

I just read the last post and had to laugh, move from table to table, yeah, that really works well, go from 1 table with 3-4 house plants, to another with 3-4 house plants, makes a lot of sense. I don't call the loses on PP bad beats anymore, because they are really more of a joke.A recent example, had pp 10's flop come 2 5 10, sitting pretty, just 2 players on a 2/4 tables, I bet, get called then raised, so I reraise, and get called by 2, one of the 2 doesn't hve much money left, and he raised me. I know I have them both totally beat, the board is rainbow, neither are on a blind. So, the turn is an 8, no help to them to beat my 3 10's, I bet, same thing called, reraised, I raise again, get called. Now, the drum roll, the MAGICAL river card, its a 9, and low and behold, what did player 2 have, a JQ off, now, was this bad play, indeed, first off, he probably should not have called the preflop raise, no less the raises on the flop, and turn, but sure enough he stays in to the river and catches a gut shot Str, what are the chances, slim, very slim, was this a bad player getting lucky ? You would think so, but I didn't see him play any hands the same way, except for that hand, he wasn't chasing hands before or after this. Next day, same thing, pocket 10's flop is almost the same 8 3 10, the turn a 2, and the river, drumroll Q, and to my surprise, player 2 had j9 off, and the other fellow has pp A's, More bad play ? you decide, or was this a good player, it was according to the defenders of the site. And, according to them, I am the bad player, I should have known to fold after flopping trip 10's each time. What was I thinking they would hold up, when the odds of losing were exremely high. The same table, I lost with kk, AA, qq, aks ak off, all within 5 minutes. I had a player, tell me my exact stats, right to the tee, so I know he is using some sort of a program, and PP never did anything about it, and no matter what he went in with, it hit the board big time. Its really easy to spot the shills/house players, they never seem to get rivered over and over, if they are holding the slick, you can count on them hitting the flop, and no one hitting anything to beat them. And, if you make a comment about something not being right, the 3-4 players, you think are shills, defend this site with their lives, try it sometime. The thing I find the strangest is, I've gambled all my life, and there are always a lot of people complaining at the tables, no matter what game it is, but you don't see very many poeple complaining on this site, unless, you go into one of the free torny's they bought in with their points, then you will here the horror stories. I don't care what you have in your hand, when they trigger you to lose, you will not win a hand, and its not bad beats, its not bad players getting lucky, its predetermined hands, they are making a ton of money on the rake, but let me tell you, the rake money is peanuts, compared to the money they are making, with house players and rigging the hands. Can this be proven, of course not, because nobody is looking over their shoulders, period, end of story.

I actually talked to one of these foreigners on the phone today from their site. I told him I have over 2,000 names on my website ready to press the issue with the Better Business Bureau so they would be investigated on how their site was set up. He seemed to be quite threatened by that and constantly said our cards are randomly generated. I told him I've played on a dozen other sites and kept track of all stats from each site hand by hand. Example : on Ultimate bet we'll take K9os agaist KK. On UB KK wins 94% of the time, where as on PP KK wins 67% of the time. That's quite a difference. On Full Tilt Poker AA vs 99. AA wins around 88% of the time while on PP AA wins about 65% of the time? Not to mention how many times I've seen at least 3 wired pairs on PP. That'll happen one out of every say 20 hands on that site or 5% of the hands played. That number isn't even close on any other sites or any casino. The funny thing was I asked him about giving people money who complained about the site. He said they give people money who complain about the constant bad beats. Can you say BRIBE! If this isn't the shadiest internet poker site on the web today I don't know what is.

In a tournament this morning i got burned twice. Once i had the most chips out of the 5 people in the hand had KK guy to my left raised all in two callers before me I go all in get called hands 88, 10,10 KK AA flop 827 turn 2 river 7. LOL 4 pocket pairs? Two hands later 5 players to the flop after raising and re raising. Cards 77, 99, JJ QQ AA. 5 Pocket pairs? Are you kidding me? oh of course the 7's won when flop came 792 turn J river 7 LOL. I wanted throw my computer out the window. This is bullshit! i've never seen 5 pocket pairs in one hand. it's a crock. Never matters how you play or how you bet or what your cards are on party poker it's always a coin flip. You feelin lucky?

AH another one to add today. I have AK I'm put all in pre flop I call guy has JK. Flop AJ10 turn J river 4. OF COURSE! Party Poker is the most ridiculous fucking site I've ever seen.

Hey Eat S*** PP... why are you still playing then? And another thing, just because you had A-K does not guarantee you a win.... Why do people think they deserve to win with every good hand, and then cry conspiracy when they lose? Poker is gambling you retards... Why does everyone think that just because they read a few books and watch poker on tv that they can dominate all the tables... Ever since this game has been put on tv, there has been a serious misunderstanding of how to play the game... and this forum here shows the beginnings of that understanding, there are huge swings in real poker both online or offline and everyone complaining here is starting to understand this... poker is not for any of the people in here who have complained... Stop playing or stop complaining. There is no conspiracy, shills are legal, and bad players often get paid off for bad play, deal with it!

You Just Don't Get Bad Beaten 10 Times In A Row After Having A Good Roll At A Casino. I 've Been Beaten By Quads 5 Times. It Just Doesn't Happen In At A Casino. So Of Course The Site Is Rigged To Keep The Newbies Coming In. If The Cards Dealt Were Not Rigged Only Tight Players Would Win And Play There Which Means No Money For Party-poker. Loose Play Is Rewarded At The Site Because It Brings Bigger Pots Which Means Pp Makes More Money. Frankly All The Other Sites Are The Same. So I'm Done With Them All.

Listen Chunk you fat bastard. Nobody is saying the best hand has to win EVERY time you moron. You're a str8 up asshole if you think that online poker doesn't reward loose players with unreal beats more often than it should. I'm sure you're on of the chasers on line that can't win shit at a casino because you don't catch that str8 or flush 80% of the time on the river or turn like you do online. I've taken some awful beats at casino's, everybody has, but not nearly as often as I have online. So why don't you stick it up your fat ass and get off my case Tubby!

Answer me this EatShit... why are so many WSOP qualifiers strictly online players... do you really think all these professional online players would play for thousands of dollars if they thought it was rigged... I've never heard a professional complain about online poker fraud, only amateurs and beginners... Why you ask? Because pros don't play low limits (25NL or 50NL), only beginners play those limits and those people chase their hands... when they catch it the pro sits back and says, "that's poker".... people like you say, "fraud, conspiracy, illuminati!".... it's actually quite funny from my perspective.... hopefully you paranoid amateurs will simply stop playing on the online sites and leave it for people who understand the game.... or you can keep crying and increase my bankroll so I can stop playing lower limits with beginners like yourself...

Also, I DO chase hands when the pot odds are correct for calling... so it's not my fault when I catch it... it's my opponents fault for giving me the correct odds to call... So please EatShit, make another deposit, I'd love to be your bad beat...

LMAO dude I'll play you any time any place. Meet me on Ultimate Bet. We'll go heads up at a $200 table. We'll see who's bankroll increases. I'm sure I understand the game more than you fatty. When pot odds call for it of course you chase dip shit i never stated otherwise. When someone goes all in pre flop with 9 10 and goes up against JJ. 9 10 shouldn't win the 40% it does online. So I'll be waiting at the table for you. You can find me at Ultimate Bet under the name I8A4RE22. You have the sack? I seriously doubt you do. I'll be waiting!

One other thing Fatty. What professional plays at Party Poker?????????????????? NONE! I wonder why dumb ass. Ultimate Bet,Full Tilt, Shit even Poker Stars have professionals on them. Party Poker??? NOPE NOT A SINGLE ONE!

I've quit playing at party poker.com!!!!Thanks for all the input guys!It has helped my decesion!The way I figure it is:Sure you're gonna get bad beats...But keep in mind if you get a bad beat... some one else is getting LUCKY!!!Why should I sit there getting bad beat after bad beat after bad beat and some one else is getting lucky, getting lucky, getting lucky??Why should I?I shouldn't, you're right!That's why I have taken your advice and I have quit playing on party poker.comI feel happy!!!!!EVERYBODY....Quit playing there...Wise up...If you wanna play No limit...Play in a live game and keep your eyes on the dealer...Don't trust some guy in India or at the Rock of Gibralter to do the shuffling!!!!QUIT PLAYING AT PARTYPOKER.COM!!!!YOU'LL BE THANKFUL YA DID!!:)

I figured as much fatty. Mike Sexton is an announcer LOL. He doesn't play on there. I knew you didn't have the sack to play me heads up at a more legitimate site. Simply because you WON'T catch all the shit you chase on Ub like you do at PP. Party Poker is 80% luck 20% skill. I don't really give a shit what you say. 70% of the reviews of this site are negative. I'm not the only one. The reason I play there is because I have a shit load of points. I only play in the freeroll tourney's until all my points are gone. Read an above post Party Poker Blows. He must've done some stats. He says AA wins about 65% of the time on Party Poker. I think he's being generous. Fact is people that complain about this site are GOOD players that are sick of being sucked out on the river by lousy players that make bad bets and bad calls and get lucky. When someone puts you all in pre flop and you have AA you're going to call. When they turn over K9 and flop comes J 10 Q or K K J, perhaps 9, 7, 8, turn J river K. It's going to piss people off. Not because they took a bad beat but because it CONSTANTLY happens at Party Poker. One last thing, don't tell me that I don't have a clue on how to play the game when you don't have the balls to play me straight up. You've never seen me play. I guess the 70-80% of the people saying Party Poker is junk don't know how to play either right?