I've been reading these posts here. Now I'm not getting mad or complaining about anything. I justb happen to agree with most of the reviewers here. I actually left this site about $50 ahead of course I was up around $300 at one time. I've seen all the beats people talk about. I've had them work for and against me but it seems it happens every hand, especially in OMaha. If you have the nut straight or flush on the turn, you're guaranteed the river will pair the board giving someone a boat or better yet quads. On other sites you don't need the nuts to win all the time on Party Poker you do. To the guy above; how can you tell someone they don't know how to play unless you've seen him/her play. That goes for anyone. Everyone has an opinion and just because they don't agree with you doesn't mean they don't know how to play. Get over yourself. For people looking for a quality site I suggest Paradise Poker or Full Tilt.

I want to know why every post for every other site is claiming the same fraud.... read the posts for UB, they say the same thing about that site... PokerStars, same thing.... Everyone seems to have their favorite site and they think the other sites are fraudulent... Seems that either everyone is cheating or no one is cheating, and given Occam's razor I believe the latter. Perhaps the problem is the RNG, any computer generated RNG is pseudo-random, a computer cannot truly be random... However, I see the same bad beats in home games when people call to the river... people play low stakes online poker as if it's a home game, the more amateurs the more bad beats you get... seems difficult to win consistently at low stakes on any site. And I didn't mean to get your panties in a bunch EATSHITPP, and I would play you online if I had the dough, unfortunately I do not... Sure, you're better at poker than me... I hope that makes you feel better... but that doesn't change my opinion that most or all of the poker sites are completely legit... everyone has the same complaints about every site, just read the posts of every site and you'll see. Just because Mike Sexton is 'only a spokesperson' does not mean he isn't putting his reputation on the line as a representative, I don't think he would do that if there were any doubt as to the legitamcy of PP...

I love how people try to justify that a site is legit by saying, "Well the pros play there". First of all there is no such thing as a pro anymore. There are a FEW exceptions, but generally those days are well over thanks to the internet. Anyone who endorses a site is basically an average dickhead who had a lot of money thrown in his face by the website to endorse their product. Duh. If someone threw hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars in your face, would you take the money? Of course you would. Now getting back to the "pros". What really is considered a pro? Well, after watching the world series of poker for the past couple of years i have a conclusion on what a pro is. A pro is basically a rich shithead who has a lot of money and wants to enter the world series of poker and be a "pro" (i.e. Ben Affleck.) I mean lets face it, there are some great players that will never see the wsop because of a lack of bankroll. Another type of "pro" is the someone who knows absolutely nothing about the game of poker, spends $40 on a satellite tournament, wins a seat at wsop, gets lucky the WHOLE entire tournament, and wins the whole thing (i.e. Chris Moneymaker). Now to fully understand exactly how little he knows about the game, buy his video, or better yet burn it off the internet. Why give the stupid lucky shithead more money, right?

I called customer service after taking my 5th bad beat in a row in a tournament. First one pre flop all in KK vs K7, 2) AJ vs J10 (after flop JAK turn 8 river Queen) 3) 66 vs 89 (after flop 356 turn A river 7) 4) Pre flop all in 88 vs A2 (I could've lived with this one if it wasn't my 4th bad beat in a row after going all in) finally the one that knocked me out and the most ridiculous of all it still makes me laugh, I had 99 of in big blind flop 9 9 J two clubs I go all in get called guy has KQ of clubs turn 4 river ao of CLUBS! That pissed me off so I called up just to see how they're RNG worked and how they could tell me it's honest with hands like that constantly happening on a regular basis. After givig me the run around for about 5 minutes the guy just hung up on me. What an ASSHOLE! You can play on any other site and it will be better than this piece of shit. I just asked for a simple expanation and all they tell me is bad beats happen. I asked the last 5 times someone went all in against me I took a bad beat? It shouldn't happen 5 times in a row. 2 out of 5 is pushing it. I'll NEVER put money into this site again. A true scam artist is party poker. Constant full houses, straights, flushes, quads. You will almost never see top pair walk in party poker. 90% of their hands have a straight or flush draw not to mention the ridiculous amount of times the board is paired (especially in Omaha) Try ANY other site besides this one.

Does the world live in a bubble or something? After playing at a lot of these sites i have come to a conclusion....They are all set up and fixed to make more money. DUHHHHH!! Are You people that stupid? I love how one person said, "Party Poker and UB are already big sites. None of these online poker sites would put their reputation in jeapordy". That was the funniest. Hey, one word....ENRON!!! Yes they may be big companies with good reputations, but GREED always wins in the end. They prey on stupid shits like you people who say, "Oh they're all legit". WAKE UP.

All I can say is the two so called "big" sites of Ultimate Bet and Party Poker have so many players because of advertising. Both of these sites will tell you their RNG is legit and unfortunately there is no way to prove otherwise. If they can ge away with it, why wouldn't they deal and flop cards that induce big pots to increase the rake? Anyone would do it. To the person above. I also love playing in a casino because at least if I take a bad beat there (and maybe that's 1 in 15 or 20 not the 1 in 3 it happens online) at least I know it's legit because it's happening right in front of my eyes. I can see what's going on. On line nobody can see this RNG and therefore nobody will ever know if it's legit or not except the people running the site. You'll see more flushes, straights, boats, quads and even straight flushes on line in one hour than you will at a casino in 12. People will say you play more hands per hour online than in a casino and that's true but thats no excuse. Play online at your own risk and expect the unexpected to be the usual.

It's frightening to read how many people say things such as "why wouldn't they do it if they can get away with it"... I can think of a million reasons why a big business would want to be legit (more $ in the longrun, as opposed to criminal charges in the short term).... sure there might be a few bad apples in any big business, but all it takes is one whistle blower. So then, where is that one person with proof of fraud who might be a real honest person? It seems that most people are simply dishonest, including the people posting on here... some of these posts sound like they are directly from fraudulent thieves, half of the people complaining are stating that they would cheat and that's why they assume others are cheating. (why wouldn't they cheat?) Cheaters and thieves always think everyone around them is like them. I also have to wonder, if I wanted to create a fraudulent poker site to make money, how would I do it... well for one, I wouldn't make it as obvious as the fraud that people claim is occurring... and what exactly are people saying? That PP pays shills to fire up the game? *happens in a casino* Or is it that PP has payed players who can see all the cards? *that wouldn't explain why a player would call an all-in with K-7 against K-K* Or is it that PP pays players who know what cards are going to come up on the board? *highly unlikely as a hacker could access the same info if it is available to someone* Or is it that PP creates action flops for a higher rake? *rarely necessary as the rakes are capped and usually are for most hands* ... No one seems to know exactly what is wrong, just that 'something' is wrong.... All of these allegations cannot be true simultaneously... therefore, something is rotten in the accusations themselves. So if I wanted to make a fraudulent poker site, I would quickly realize there is no reason to do so. Just create the software and let it run itself. Online gaming sites make about 25% profit vs. B&M casinos 8%. Real casinos have more of a reason to cheat than online casinos if you think like that. I also think that with all the 'pro' players out there with utmost respect for the game of poker, someone by now would have uncovered fraud if it existed and come clean to the public... If you don't think so, perhaps you are the dishonest one, because if you were behind anything fraudulent you would obviously not be the whistleblower... but there are still honest people out there. Until someone in the mainstream uncovers the supposed fraud, I will continue to play online poker, for I have never seen anything so suspect as to cry fire in a crowded theater... I accept the bad beats and wait for the nuts (and the nuts for me is not a hand that can still lose on the river when I have the goods after the turn) Go ahead and call me naive, but I win online so I have no reason to complain... I've simply adjusted my play to catch the myriad of fish online

There's a difference between being smart & having common sense and being a thief. Last post makes no sense. I'm not a thief nor do i think like one. I just have a functioning brain. Also, you shouldn't have to adjust your play to accomodate the online cheating, and "fish". That kinda proves something is fishy by simply stating that. In real life i adjust nothing, i play how i play and win a lot.

If you know anything about poker you should know that your play is always adjusted based on who is at the table, that is why a good strategy in casinos is to pick your table carefully.... same goes for online play... the more you know about certain players the more you may need to adjust your play based on what you think they might be doing... and I never said in the previous post that I accomodate my play for online cheaters, because if they are out there I have never been taken by them or have just been lucky to avoid them...I only accomodate for certain fish and take careful notes on anyone I play...

The most appealing thing about a conspiracy is that it cannot be disproved... introductory logic teaches that one cannot prove that something does not exist, so people will always cry fraud and cheater and they don't need proof... perhaps because there is no proof

I wasn't calling anyone specific a thief, I'm simply wondering why people would say, "why wouldn't they cheat if they could get away with it?" You might as well assume that someone who makes that statement renders their own personality transparent... I wouldn't ask a question like that because I can immediately think of reasons why someone would not cheat, especially a multi-million (or billion) dollar business.

Actually if you knew anything about poker, you would know that great players play like machines. I never mentioned that you don't have to adjust to the players you are playing with, of course you have to. Just referring to the magnitude of cheating. As far as your whole conspiracy thing goes. You really just don't know how the world works. Hmmm... why would a multi billion dollar corporation cheat? Like i mentioned before...Enron..perfect example of greed and stupidity. So don't tell me it doesn't happen. Your proof is right there. So the day these online poker site's go down i'll be laughing because it will happen soon enough. Also you can do some research and find that two sites (Pro Poker, Choice Poker) have already been shut down in the past year for software that proved to be, well, not so legit. Also, they had workers playing alongside you. And guess what they knew while they were playing alongside you????? THE CARDS YOU WERE DEALT. So there's your proof. Cheating does happen and has happened. So i guess, well, it's not a conspiracy at all.

Look pal. Just because I have a feeling that certain sites get away with dealing cards to induce betting and get a higher rake, and then ask why they wouldn't do it if they can get away with it I'm a thief? How naive can you be? Maybe you should go back to school since your psycho analysis is way off. You're saying all these people on here saying things may not seem right on party Poker are thieves or cheats? That doesn't make any sense. How can you possibly make such a rash judgement? Who the hell are you? Maybe you actually work for the site. Who the hell knows and who the hell cares. If people believe something is wrong with the RNG on a poker site, they are entitled to express their opinion and shouldn't be judged as thieves or cheats by you. Why would a million dollar corporation steal or cheat? Like the last poster said GREED and STUPIDITY. Just because you don't see it happen doesn't mean it's not going on. One last thing, you stated you make money online by waiting until you have the nuts. Well this just seems illogical to me. There is no way you could make money by waiting until you had the nuts after the river. How many times does that happen? Whenever I play in a casino usually top pair is good and I certainly DON'T have to wait until I have "the nuts" to win a pot. If you're playing that way online it speaks volume of the type of shit that goes on. Get you're facts straight and stop judging people you don't know simply because their opinions are different than yours.

All I'm saying is that everyone has a different version of the fraud that is occurring... they cannot all be true... therefore some (or all) of the allegations must be false... And it's too bad that ever since Enron no one trusts any large business and immediately assumes that they must be cheating / stealing... And as was said above, "Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not going on".... the inverse must be true as well... Just because you don't see it does not mean IT IS going on... No one has any proof except for some bad beats from bad players, and if the two sites mentioned above have been busted, then don't you think other sites might be more careful as there is obviously some doubt as to the legitimacy of all poker sites... I'm sure after Enron many large businesses were more careful about their finances and reluctant to commit any fraud... I understand people steal because of greed and stupidity, but they do it without anyone knowing (until they get caught of course), yet it seems with PP there are so many people crying fraud, and if what people are saying is true it seems too obvious... fraud usually goes undetected and if PP wanted to steal from the players there are many foolproof ways they could do so without giving anyone a chance to complain... also the only people who complain are low-limit amateurs... I have read every post on here and not a single one comes from someone who plays very high stakes poker online, my hypothesis is that people who play high stakes understand the game and the swings that occur, they do not blame the site when they lose... Most amateurs don't realize that even 'pro' players often have a losing year. What makes you people think that you are so good at poker that if you lose $100 it must be because the site is fraudulent. Those who are whining are simply losing poker players.. face it, the game is not for you....

To set everyone's mind at ease I found the proof
[url]http://www.billrini.com/index.php/2004/11/30/proof-that-online-poker-is-rigged[/url]
This is a must see for those who question online poker legitimacy, it is quite shocking, sorry to disappoint some of you.

Yea right..lol... have you watched any high stakes games online?? Have you seen the dialogue that occurs after someone loses? lol "This site is F*&^*in fixed"... "F*&^ this"..."You suck D*%^" ..etc. etc. .... hmm..yea they really take the "bad beats" well. This was at a $100/$200 no limit game mind you. So please don't even tell me that people with money (or sorry i mean the pro's...lol) don't blame the site. Just because someone has the funds to play high stakes doesn't make them a pro. If i had the funds i'd be a high roller too. There's fish at every level.

There is definitely fraud on PP, I saw two players using hand signals the other day.... I think PP is also connected to Halliburton and big oil, I bet Bush is taking the extra money from all the cheating to support the illuminati and their plans for global domination... It all started at Roswell, and we never really landed on the moon... it could be the greys... What I meant to say is that you are all a bunch of paranoid morons, do your research on all the regular players who make money on PP, they are more than happy to post their long term results on their own sites and prove that a good poker player makes money overall (or do they just work for PP, hmmmm must be) Let's be honest losers, no poker player will admit that they suck, so when they lose they look for someone to blame... thus is born the conspiracy

Hey stupid...a conspiracy would be something that is believed to be true without proof. Two sites have already been shut down for cheating this year....hmmmm that would make cheating in the online poker world not a conspiracy. Do YOUR research. You are a smart one...lol

Well, I suppose if two sites were fraudulent they all MUST be!!!!

there's a good possibility....there's enough complaints!!!! probably should be looked into huh

Just proves my ONLY POINT....that there has proven to be cheating in online poker...and when you have a site (Party Poker)where there is the MOST amount of complaints by far...somethings probably up.

PartyPoker has the LARGEST number of players, hence the LARGEST number of complaints.... you proved no point, lol

Well that's obvious idiot, I didn't need you to tell me that cheating has occurred.... online credit card transactions have often been a source of online fraud, but I still trust most of them, especially those operated via large companies ie. I'm not afraid to buy something from Walmart online, I'm also not afraid to play poker at THE LARGEST ONLINE POKER SITE IN THE WORLD... I'm not sure you people realize the scope of your allegations against PP specifically, if some of you are right there is a big problem in the whole world of online gambling (it could shut down online gaming in general, or at least all affiliates of IGaming Council, which account for most of the big gaming sites, the reputation of more than just PP is on the line), if one day PP gets into trouble I will eat my words, but until then I stand by my words... YOU PEOPLE OBVIOUSLY DO NOT UNDERSTAND NL HOLD EM (I know you think you do, but it's clear you do not) AND YOU ALL THINK YOU ARE TOO GOOD TO LOSE, DON'T BLAME PP... BLAME YOUR POOR POKER SKILLS AND YOUR INABILITY TO SUCK IT UP WHEN YOU LOSE...

How can you possibly state people who lose have POOR POKER SKILLS? If someone goes all in pre flop with K7 and someone calls with KK and community cards end up being A77J4, The person with KK loses and they have poor poker skills? If you go all in with a set after the flop and someone calls with nothing and catches runner runner to win the person going all in with a set has poor poker skills? Sorry pal I think you're the one with poor skills. If someone beats me fine. If someone chases an inside str8 to the river or goes all in chasing one and I lose yeah I'm gonna be a little pissed off. Everybody would be. Even pro's get pissed off when they take a bad beat. NOBODY likes losing. Bad beats are a part of poker but they are always happening on Party Poker. There is no skill involved on this site. It's mostly people chasing and catching. It occurs at all levels. So Yes people have the right to question the credibility of this site. It's very suspicious.

You moron, holdem poker is about chasing and catching assuming the pot odds are correct, it's not just about your pocket cards... maybe you should go back to playing penny / nickel 5 card draw with deuces wild... you are all a joke and are attempting to give PP a bad name because you lost a few hands... anyhow this is my last post, it's becoming pointless, there is obviously nothing I can say to convince any of you paranoid losers that PP is legit... I know for myself and have no complaints, so I will continue to play there and be the bad beat of any future posters who will claim that I was a bot and work for PP... You can all call me whatever you want.. but remember you are complaining because you LOST, I am defending the site because I WIN overall and accept the bad beats no matter how crazy they are, I have never seen anything suspicious...

Well i win in real life....you know ...where card percentages matter, and the cards are REAL!!!!

Hold em is about chasing and catching?????? LMAO You're an asshole LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Hold em is about a bunch of different things sparky. Chasing and catching is NOT what the game is about. Sure if pot odds call for it you can chase a flush draw. Pot odds will NEVER call for someone chasing a gut shot str8 to the river when someone puts you all in. I also noticed you said nothing about the K7 VS KK deal. Simply put you have no clue what you're doing, just like many online players. You just call and pray. That's why you win on that site. Party Poker always rewards bad play. Oh yeah one other thing I won a tournament on Party Poker and walked off with $926.50 just so you know. I won many times when I was all in with the worst hand. It's gone for me and against me. The point is it happens CONSTANTLY! Maybe you should go back to playing Old Maid and Go Fish with you're mommy and daddy since you don't have a clue LOL. Hold em is about chasing and catching HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! One of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard!

Don't twist my words dickhead... hold em is about chasing and catching WHEN THE POT ODDS ARE CORRECT... I did not say that is the only thing the game is about, it obviously is not. As for the K-7 vs. K-K, the player that saw that (was it you?) never specified when this occurred. How high were the blinds? Who called and who pushed? How much $ was the tourney buy-in? Was it SNG or MTT? Was anyone pot committed? I saw Hoyt Corkins (you may have seen this WSOP) go all in on a final table with J-7 in small blind, DiAgostino had 10-10 in the big blind and called... Corkins caught trip sevens on flop and the fourth 7 on the turn... That's a bad beat, yet if it happened on PP people would never think it to be legit. He was caught stealing the blinds, happens all the time, and he profited from it. Therefore, K-K vs. K-7 means nothing without proper context. 12 out of 100 hands you will see the K-7 win anyhow... that's more than 1 out of 10 (for those still learning to add) which means it more than likely happens several times a day considering all the hands played on PP. Is it stupid to push or call with K-7?? Most of the time, yes. Are there stupid players on PP? Without a doubt. What does this prove? Absolutely nothing.

Quick question, if this was somehow fraud (KK vs K7), how was it done? Are you saying the guy with K7 knew what cards were coming up? Or are you saying the software intentionally put two 7's on the board? Or did the person with K7 know that you held KK? If he did, I doubt he would have called. I'm confused what this supposedly proves. Even if AA was against 72, the dude with 72 still has a 12.6% chance of sucking out by the river. Some people like to take the gamble I guess, it's a better bet than placing your money on any number on roullette. Sure it's bad poker, but some people play for fun just to see what happens, they play any hand. That's certainly why low limit sucks. Every hands a winner and every hands a loser.

Another interesting stat: If 72 suited was against AA (neither of which is same suit as 72) the odds go up to over 16% for the 7-2. In that scenario, aces would be cracked about one every six times.

I'm back after 3months of playing more party poker and losing about $1000 in all. Now thats nothing to me but the fact is I dont like to be cheated. I saw AA vs KK at least 6-10 times a day and that's just what I've seen. I left an example on this website in june where I had 99 in the pocket and caught my set on the flop. Someone holding jj to the right of me also caught his set on the flop. I saw situations like this at the 50 dollar NL tables all the time. So the question is why? Obviously this is a unregulated website based in some foreign country that is under absolutely no online laws. At cash tables this creates a larger rake and in tournaments it helps speed up eliminating players. Either way THIS IS UNFAIR. Any moron out there that says that this is fair poker obviously has not spent enough time on the site. Finally I wouldnt be shocked to learn that they had players working internally winning huge tournaments such as the million dollar guaranteed. STAY AWAY TRUST ME!

For those who think Gibraltar is just some 'foreign country' with no regulations you are wrong. Gibraltar is an overseas territory of the UK that does not operate with autonomy, they answer to English law and have the Queen as their chief of state. It's not just some third world country. They have a very high standard of living. The only reason why many gambling sites choose Gibraltar to operate their business is that they have tax breaks that would be stupid to not take advantage of, this is also the reason why offshore banking in Gibraltar is a primary source of income for the territory. I know most of you imbeciles assumed that because you've only heard of the country that it must be some third world hub of corporate scandal. That's just your own xenophobia. Therefore, Party Poker is not just some "unregulated website based in some foreign country that is under absolutely no online laws." That is a complete fabrication, so before you make some ridiculous assumption based on your own lack of intelligence, do some research. It's no different than someone in the U.S. opening a swiss bank account to take advantage of higher earned interest rates.

Thanks professor...and this pertains to cheating how??? the US has a president and a house and senate..lol...and well even they're a bunch of crooks looking to pad their own pockets!!!! Try again

calling pot sized bets with straight and flush draws is not justified by the pot odds ever and it will happen quite often on any online poker site. Going all in and getting called by a better hand and then catching on the river is just getting lucky trying to bluff at a pot which is completely different and happens in live card games as well. I understand the straight and flush draws will catch by the river around 30% of the time, but anybody that has played a significant amount of online poker would probaly aree that you will see many more flushes and straights than you would in a live game in spite of how many more hands you play. I think that there is something to say for the theory of draws coming up on the flop to generate action and therefore increase the rake. You have to admit that at times it seems that every flop has two of the same suit. That being said the sites can't rig idiot players calling raises with any two suited cards or hands such as 9 10 offsuit. It is and will continue to be a hazard of interenet poker play regardless of what site you play at.

As to your comment about the Bush administration, that statement is normative - descriptive - subjective, I'm trying to be empirical - factual - objective..... and poker and politics don't mix so don't go there... give me proof of cheating and I will listen... a few hand histories don't cut it... I was merely responding to someone elses post who tried quite unsuccessfully to accuse Gibraltar of being a place where there are no internet regulations, thus a higher chance of cheating... answer the above post under CONFUSED about the K-K vs. K-7... I really want to know what kind of cheating specifically you think is occurring... please young one, enlighten and humor me, lol

I'm not going to bore you with hands that seemed out of whack or whine about bots taking my money. My experience with PP leads me to believe that there are two random number generators working at the same time. One distributeds the cards randomly and one distributes those players based upon account history. It is possible to classify it random yet place those random cards where you want them. It is subtle, but I firmly believe that when they decide it is your turn to re-up more money into your acct then it will happen. Putting in an extra sequence of code into an algorithum is not that tough if you are a good programmer. Go play in a real game in AC or Vegas, or even locally and watch how pairs, two pairs and sets dominate the action, while at PP straights, flushes and boats dominate. Losing to a second pair on the river is considered a bad beat in live games. Losing to quads or a boat is the norm on PP. I went to a site that rates your play on PP and was given a 42% (500+ games in a sit and go format) win ratio, which was considered a pro so calling me a rookie would be an unfair generalization. I am headed over to another site to try it out and track similarities and differences and will post back.

Look here old man...the only original point i was trying to make.. (IF YOU WOULD READ AND PAY ATTENTION EARLIER) is that there is cheating in online poker. At the very least they need another card generator if they're not cheating because this one... not so good. Online poker sites have been brought down because of cheating, there is cheating. PERIOD. I know you want to focus on the facts, but we will never know the facts, so be a smart person and use some clues. Fact of the matter is...something ISN'T right with Party Poker...whatever it may be. P.S. The fact that you missed my whole point I was trying to make shows the intelligence level that I am dealing with. How can you argue something when you misinterpret the point??? lol purely comicalMaybe you can enlighten me with the laws of aruba next?? lol

"Don't twist my words dickhead... hold em is about chasing and catching WHEN THE POT ODDS ARE CORRECT... I did not say that is the only thing the game is about, it obviously is not. As for the K-7 vs. K-K, the player that saw that (was it you?) never specified when this occurred. How high were the blinds? "Responding to this bullshit quote. Hey asshole You stated above people who lose on party poker have POOR POKER SKILLS. My point was (obviously you can't comprehend what you read) The person calling an all in bet with KK and losing does NOT have poor poker skills. Calling an all in with KK is the CORRECT move. Losing to K7 is a BAD BEAT no matter what the scenario is dip shit. Doesn't prove anything about people who lose have poor poker skills. I also NEVER stated going all in with K7 was a bad move, depending on the situation idiot. Go back to school and LEARN to COMPREHEND what you read.

I read all of these comments and have to say they helped me win around 2K over the past week. Playing 2/4 pot limit hold em. If I had a flush draw I'd raise and catch a good 70%. I called big pre flop raises with maginal hands like J9 off suit or 56 suited. I won a lot of those too LOL. It's comical how easy this is. All of you who complain just need to play extremely loose and see every flop. Chase any staight or flush draw to the river. Or if have flopped low pair just stay in and you'll most likely either turn or river a set. people get pissed at me on party poker lol. That's fine with me. They can critcize my play but I still have their $$$$$. A great site and a piece of cake to cash in on big pots that you'll always draw out on if you don't fold!

"I know you want to focus on the facts, but we will never know the facts, so be a smart person and use some clues.".... Tell me Sherlock Holmes, what clues do you have????? (p.s. please put some names on your posts so I know who I'm chatting with, too many people resonding about the same thing and I've lost track of who is who.... probably because of my ignorance, lol) I will be DUMBO JONES from now on, lol. And how about we all stop this childish name calling and have an honest discourse, we can at least agree to disagree in the end.... or is that too civil for some of you?