KK you just made me feel much better....well not much...but better. I host a Friday night poker game about 1-2 times a month with some relitives and the last 3 times I have been a big looser. These poeple do not know how to play poker but it seems like I just can't beat 'em. I ante myself to death then when I get a playable hand they chase a bad hand and catch what ever card it is they needed. Last night in over 4 hours of playing the best hand I got was a pair of 7's. All night it was Q-4 , J-6 , 9-5, ...etc Then like you said you get a Q-J suited and it seems like the nuts and then the flop is 3-4-7.