one more thing, DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT READING THESE GUYS. like i said to them a J 4 Q 7 Q 10 are all monsters and forget about Ax offsuit a throw away for a seasoned player but for them a monster. read these guys and you'll get the signs of them having a monster, and it's not true, in their mind their cards are monsters. whats more, those annoying Ax offsuits are a danger.