you guys sound like little teenage groupies.I can't play and come play with me. Another thing if Dutch never picked up the cards and put his ego on espn,i would not be here posting about him. This is an open forum. I never debated, he is smart, and plays well but will never be points leader or any sort of champ. If you took a step back or lost your hard earned money when he folded up shop you might feel different.