None of the above guys have any success these days in no limit holdem.Chan did o.k at 5 dimonds WPT event,Doyle plays cash successfully, Ungar obviously no longer with us.Hellmuth...well he's won all of $64,000 this year in tournement prize money!!To make a long story short the mentioned players above dont cut the mustard anymore...its all Negreanu, Juanda, Seidel, Ivey,etc... the old guard are struggling.No one has been able to dominate poker continuously...every dog has its day...Negreanu is on top at the moment and players like Fischman,Arieh are comming through the ranks(even though these two players display questionable table demeanour).Things change..especially as poker is so competetive and popular these days the old players didnt have the large fields to battle through. Hellmuth is in decline.Its know secret amongst the top players and dealers...has he won a wpt even?NO.Has he had much success recently NO...can he play high stakes cash with the big boys NO.Yes Phil has joint most WSOP bracelets and is still a million times better than all of us who post here,and is finnancially loaded.But he makes most of his cash doing semminars,books...book signing ..personal appearances.Plus he is paid to enter the big tournements because of his past victories and ESPN fame.The sad fact to all you Hellmuth fans is...there are alot better players around today.Open ones eyes and look.