Quit the moaning... Party Poker has loose players = more people playing at the river -> more people rivered.... big deal... the fact is this site has the biggest and best multitable tourneys online... the weekend tourneys have 20 minute blinds rather than 15 mins and that makes a big difference... the best players are constant winners... just check out Quick_Pay, he is always high in the money in the big Multi's and that's skill rewarded, not collusion/fishy rivers or whatever the rest of the moaners say.... great site... only downside is too many players so that you cant get to know your opponents...