All I'm saying is that everyone has a different version of the fraud that is occurring... they cannot all be true... therefore some (or all) of the allegations must be false... And it's too bad that ever since Enron no one trusts any large business and immediately assumes that they must be cheating / stealing... And as was said above, "Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not going on".... the inverse must be true as well... Just because you don't see it does not mean IT IS going on... No one has any proof except for some bad beats from bad players, and if the two sites mentioned above have been busted, then don't you think other sites might be more careful as there is obviously some doubt as to the legitimacy of all poker sites... I'm sure after Enron many large businesses were more careful about their finances and reluctant to commit any fraud... I understand people steal because of greed and stupidity, but they do it without anyone knowing (until they get caught of course), yet it seems with PP there are so many people crying fraud, and if what people are saying is true it seems too obvious... fraud usually goes undetected and if PP wanted to steal from the players there are many foolproof ways they could do so without giving anyone a chance to complain... also the only people who complain are low-limit amateurs... I have read every post on here and not a single one comes from someone who plays very high stakes poker online, my hypothesis is that people who play high stakes understand the game and the swings that occur, they do not blame the site when they lose... Most amateurs don't realize that even 'pro' players often have a losing year. What makes you people think that you are so good at poker that if you lose $100 it must be because the site is fraudulent. Those who are whining are simply losing poker players.. face it, the game is not for you....