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Denethor
That is a good point about the high stakes games being more risky to mess with because the players are much more serious, experienced, and financially invested in the games. Maybe thats why the only internet cheating scam that has been exposed was in the high stakes level? I hadn't really thought about it that way but it makes more sense than what I said especially considering that the nosebleed cames have capped raked which are actually very low so, because of that and volume, the sites probably make more money off of low stakes than high. I know all of that goes against one of my original points but I just thought about it.
As far as the bad beat thing; I wasn't saying more loose play means bad beats are any more likely, as you said you get more hands in online so if anything the numbers over a given number of hours should be more what you'd expect because you get larger sample sizes than live. However, the VOLUME of bad beats obviously greatly increases with more hands and loose play. Thats all I was trying to say, and some people don't understand why the see a bad beat every 5 minutes online and one every half hour live. The see a bigger VOLUME of beats and thus think something is wrong. Players tend to notice bad beats and sometimes an increased volume can be mistaken for a greater percentage of bad beats because all the hands that don't end in bad beats tend to go unnoticed. Take your flush draw thing as an example. The guy who chases every single time isn't going to increase his odds to hit a flush by doing so. However, that guy is going to hit ALOT of flushes, he'll miss twice as many as he hits obviously but if he chases everytime he will hit a lot. The problem is that you aren't going to see his cards when he misses. So a lot of times it seems like a guy hits every draw when in reality he is missing a lot too but you aren't seeing his cards in those hands. Again, its just a volume thing, the more flush draws chased, the more flushes hit. Anyone who plays live and online will tell you they see 2-3x as many flushes online. I think that is expected only because people chase flush draws 2-3x as often as they do live. So its not increasing the likelihood of a completed weird draw but it does increase the volume of such hands.
The part about which players get screwed over and why is the part that really gets me. Every poker player, live and online, thinks they are the unluckiest guy in the whole wide world. How many guys do you know that claim they NEVER win a 50/50 pre flop race. Do you think these guys really NEVER win a 50/50 race? Or the guys that ALWAYS get rivered. Do they really never make hands on the river, are they really always on the losing end of that? The nature of hold'em makes everyone feel unlucky. Couple that with the human nature of quickly forgetting your good fortune and letting thoughts of your bad luck linger and all of the sudden things don't seem right. Take all that, mix it in with the fact no one can see or really know for sure in these sites are on the up and up, and you get the inevitable accusations of rigged websites. For a lot of guys it ends up being a self fulfilling prophecy. Look at whatodds, he wins on other sites and still plays on FTP and loses even though he's sure its rigged. He could be losing on FTP for any number of reasons but I don't see how he could possibly win going into every game not only thinking he's going to lose but be cheated in the process. Everyone has days where they feel like it is impossible to win and thats when you take a break. So if you are sure you can't win at a certain site, for any reason, why keep playing there?
I just honestly think that with all the statistical databases it would be really hard for these sites to have rigged RNG's. Also, rigging in the way a lot of people here describe would be a lot of trouble considering the fact that these huge poker websites can constantly make a ton of money by being completely straight up. Also, alot of the things people accuse them of can be explained by the nature of gambling/poker. They have been accused by many of tilting the odds in favor of loose players to keep them in the game. Otherwise, why would losers play people ask. Losing poker players will ALWAYS play. FTP doesn't need to cheat to make sure of that. Half of these guys are just there to gambe for fun and don't even really care one bit about winning. The other half think they are about to break through and start winning any deposit now. Either way they are coming back reguardless.
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