People on this site have just watched espn or wpt and are just repeating what they see.The true sign of a class poker player i my opinion are "cash games".People who play at the high limits and can cut it are the real players.Phil Ivey is certainly one of them.As is Doyle(obviously)jennifer,daniel,chip reese,chau guiang,oppenheim,ted forrest,greenstein.TV stars such as Esfandiari,Fischman,Boyd would go bust playing in the biggest games.Esfandiari plays 80-160,now thats not world class.