dont badmouth ivey, he's the most emotionless player ive ever seen and he makes reads i cant believe, you say he got lucky on the turn in the WSOP i say he got unlucky and was bad beat, he had the cards and Moneymaker got lucky thats all there is to it, unlike other poker players he didnt run off screaming and cussing he shook MM hand and that was that, Money Maker and this new fossil fag are really nobodies and get lucky on draws.