ONLINE POKER - SITE - Bodog

I always laugh when I see people complaining about suckouts and spinning conspiracy theories. Let's think about this people:Bodog is making a killing on the rake and doesn't need to convince gamblers to stick around.Most of the conspiracy theories that surround this are laughable. We all know gamblers and we all know that they don't quit because of losing money to non-rigged boards. Bodog does not need to rig the board to encourage play, gamblers don't need that encouragement.The cashout theory is so outlandish that I won't dignify it with a response.The fact is that Bodog, because of its connection to the sports book, hauls in tons of fish who play a thousand times looser than your average casino. They LOSE money, thousands of dollars. For every suckout they hit, they chase a dozen hands that don't materialize. The problem here is that when a lot of fish all chase, the variance at the table rises sharply - but if you adjust well, so do your profits. The biggest mistake that solid players make at a site like Bodog is trying to play the same way they would against veterans at a casino. You will get sucked out more on Bodog - MUCH more, but when you take down pots they will be bigger. You just have to adjust.Unlike other posters on this site, I don't think most of you suck. You're probably good, tight players. Although I suspect some of you are too weak-tight and need to take on these fish more aggressively and stop worrying about suckouts - they happen.1. DO NOT SLOWPLAY: Make these fish pay for their draws. With 8 players chasing, giving free cards is suicide. Raise and re-reaise, aggressive. When you do get sucked out on, this will hurt, but you must build big pots on your quality hands and refused to be scared off by all the drawers. Winning one huge pot will make up for 2-3 of the suckouts, if not more.2. ADJUST YOUR STARTING HANDS: Suited connectors and low pocket pairs rise exponentially in value in games like these. Weak players almost never will suspect your set when you hit it and you can get nearly unlimited action if they catch a big pair or two pair. Play Ax suited from any position, but be smart and ditch if your kicker is weak and you didn't flop two pair or a good draw. Big, unsuited hands plummet in value. Drop those KJo in early and middle position, can the KQo after a raise. PREPARE MENTALLY: So often, I see quality players tilt hard on these tables. They take 3-4 suckouts in a row and suddenly start thinking 'Well, if he can win with 74o so can I. Take responsibility for your own demise. Suckouts don't kill good players, but suckouts that lead to poor, stubborn, tilting play can erase bankrolls in a hurry.CALCULATE YOUR ODDS: Many of you are probably missing your chances at huge pots on longshots. Inside straight draws are rarely correct to pursue in a tight casino game - but on sites like Bodog you are often correct to call, even without an overcard. Bodog and sites like Party are a goldmine. But, you must adjust to playing wioh people who have no idea what they're doing. Drop all your fancy semibluffs, checkraises on the flop and scare-card bluffs ... THESE PEOPLE DON"T GET IT. Poker betting is a language, and when you check raise to a veteran your telling them that your hand is strong (even if you're lying). But these newbies don't understand the language, your bets sound like the schoolteacher on Peanuts to them. Play straight up, aggressive and adjust your starting hands. Get ready for the bad beats, laugh them off and get back to work taking these fishes' money.

Why do these gamblers always seem to hit? This site is quite shady. Especially in sit and go tournements.Its like when I play there I expect Q 10 to beat QQ preflop. Aces get cracked over and over and over. They are supposed to hold up heads up preflop 4 out of 5 times-- HA! Not here!!If my opponent has less than 5 outs at least 50% of the time they catch one of them. Happens over and over and over again. I am a pretty good player who 90% of the time gets his money in with the best of it but for some reason I lose 80% of the time. And I'm not slowplaying either.I decided to try this site because of the generous bonus but it was fools gold. Bad beats occur on all sites as they should BUT this site is TOTALLY RIDICULOUS. I totally recommend this site if you are not a good player or just like to play for entertainment value only. I agree with the other poster if you play super conservative and know that the draws are coming you may be able to squeak out a profit. But thats not fun poker to me doubting the integrity of where you are playing.

Very bad,I e-mailed their support about the bad beats and they e-mailedback a lot of garbage about nothing . STAY AWAY.

This site is the biggest damn joke in the world!!!!!!! You had better bring the lube to the computer desk when you play here....Don't try to play real poker or make intelligent calculations..just play like a frigin moron and you should be successful...that style of play never fails here!!!!

Love it. Great site for the poker player and sports bettor. I usually play in the morning, and what ever I make head over to the book and bet the profit on the games. Not like Intertops (Party skin) where transfers can take 1/2 an hour (yet I love the Party fish and can always make money there). Easier than Bet Holdem (Prima Skin) to BetWWTS, b/c you don't actually have to make a transfer(although the transfer is easy and quick and I'd give them a 10 too). Not like Pacific where it takes like 2 years to get a payout. Bottom line is its a great site for the diversified investor who wants liquidity in their funds.Played all the sites and play for hours at the B&M's (Commerce, Bicycle, etc. in LA). I see no difference to this and the real world. As for bad beats, they just happen more online b/c there are just more fish online. For every 10 times you take money from the fish, every once in a while you get a fish who will bite back. (ie. How could he call me with only an inside straight draw? or how could he call my raise with a 6 8 off suit?, but that's what fish do and every once is a while you say wtf. Same things happen at the b&m's when all the sharks look for the tourist. Tourist gets lucky once in a while. You get bad beats, but that's poker.

Complaining about bad beats is counterproductive. Typing nasty things to them is also counterproductive. If someone is chasing their inside straight and make it they will win. If they miss they will lose. They will fold on the river to a moderate bet. The problem is that most people feel they need to chase out the chaser with a big river bet. Sorry it is too late now. If he hit he is going to raise your big bet and most of you with your bad beat stories will call. But if he misses he will fold to a moderate bet. People should welcome the chasers. If you play smart and disciplined you can clean up against these people. But you cannot play the same against them that you do against experienced players. You have to drop fancy play syndrome and simply play straight forward good poker. Keep opening the door for them to make bad plays. Make correct bets based on the odds and allow them to play low percentage hands. You will win enough that way to make it worthwhile. Don't always look for the big big pot. Those pots will happen in time. Don't force it against a guy that doesnt really know what he is doing. He thinks poker is simply gambling and will put his money in with just about anything. Thats what gamblers do. Make him pay little by little with solid play and dont get sucked into playing bad just because your opponents are. And remember most time these people are not bluffing when they go all in. Stop calling them with marginal holdings. And those of you with bad beat memories ought to simply reload and lick your chops at the opportunity to win.The ones that complain about withdrawing money then getting bad beats after that are really searching for reasons to justify bad luck or bad play. The amount of programming involved to single out a particular player -- no wait, every player that withdrew money (after all you arent special to them) -- and give them good cards (because you are good enough not to play the bad cards) that will lost to better cards -- but wait you dont lose to better cards you lose to the suckouts which means now that they have to allow for the bad players to play the bad cards poorly enough that they suck out on you.. just imagine the amount of planning for that.. you cant give bad cards to good players to beat you.. the good players dont play those cards.. so bodog has to figure out who the bad players are.. but how.. according to the bad beat whiners the bad players are winners.. but a lot of good players are winners too.. so how does bodog figure out exactly who to give the bad cards to and who to give the good cards to?this is really confusing.. i couldnt imagine programming it..

I have deposited 3 times here and each time same things happen. Unbelieveable. I have played at 15+ other sites and from what I have seen I am sorry I don't think this is a coincidence. Not going to play here anymore no matter how good the bonus (in theory) is. Whatever characteristics I have (how I bet, not playing sportsbook, etc) the website doesn't seem to like me. I will play elswehere

When I first learned how to play Hold 'Em, I signed up on Bodog because it also had the Sportsbook and an excellent bonus policy. As a beginner, I had a very limited pool of poker knowledge. I played any suited cards and any ace. I rarely raised. I chased every draw to the river, regardless of the pot odds. After a month of playing almost exclusively on Bodog, I turned my starting bankroll of $50 into $1150. I figured if I did that well that quickly without studying the game, just imagine what I could accomplish if I educated myself. So I read up on a number of texts by Sklansky, took a wealth of information from Hellmuth's book, and watched Mike Caro's videos. That's when it all went downhill on Bodog. I knew I was a much stronger player than I used to be, because I was winning on the other sites and learned from the mistakes I previously made, but I stuck with Bodog the most because of the weakness of the majority of players and because I could cash out a few hundred and then re-load with it a few days later and get the 20% bonus. In the next two weeks, I saw my $1150 dwindle down to $300 on suck-out after suck-out. People were taking my money in the same manner that I had previously taken it from others. Even the higher limits had really poor players (most likely the degenerate gamblers and rich kids with money to burn). Sure, bad beats will happen, but what goes on at Bodog surpasses any statistical logic. I managed to get all my money in with pocket aces before the flop four consecutive times and they were cracked every time. Two-outers were hitting on the river like a plague. My friend was suffering the same fate, so he even went so far as to intentionally play like an idiot one night and won $100 in 15 minutes on the $.50/1 NL tables, with moves such as going all-in after the flop with a three flush and telling the other players not to call, and when they did and he hit the runners, proceeded to laugh at them for getting "Bodogged." On top of all this, it's still a small site compared to the PartyPokers and UltimateBets of the world, and with the best bonus around and their guaranteed money tournaments that almost always have a significant shortfall, I can't fathom how they profit from poker except for a system that rewards the bad players (as I admittedly used to be) to keep them around for low limit rakes (and it surely worked on me). Thus, I give Bodog a 2 rather than a 1, because of said bonus policy.

Also, I wholeheartedly agree with the earlier post that mentioned the class of players. This site definitely has the most uncouth people you'll ever encounter. If you lose a pot, you suck. If you win a pot, you're a lucky fish. Most Bodog tables are nothing more than a pissing contest, with players trading insults back and forth.

well, i jsut went back to bodog after a 2 month layoff where i played party poker, UB, and ultra generic (but not rigged) sports interaction poker. boy did bodog reward me handsomely for coming back. first hand i got AA, raised preflop, one caller, raised after the flop, he folded. i showed my cards and said "surprised they were good here for once" and got LOLs from everyone probably thinking "yeah, i hear you". 2nd hand is the real kicker. it was .10/.25 no limit room, i was in the small blind, out of position, one guy raised to .50, one called, i called with 77. flop was 10 8 2 with 2 clubs. one guy bet out $2, i call knowing a suckout's coming, another guy calls. turn is an A. one guy bets $2.50, one raises to $5, i call, other guy calls. river is a 7 naturally. i go all in, guy calls with A 8 and cusses me out. i'm up $35 in 2 hands playing as badly as possible. go bodog. if you don't believe me ask that pocket_pimp guy who's at the tables right now steaming (and probably therefore winning).

I've played at many sites and while I lost four consecutive pots with AA (all-in pre-flop), I've been a fairly consistent winner. I'd prefer it if pokertracker were compatible with bodog, but honestly, the money is easy and your big hands get paid. Why go anywhere else?

I'm telling you right now, LISTEN TO ACTION. I play very similar to his advice and am a lifetime winning player at Bodog. I play very tight (I can get as low as 19% flops seen on a cold cards run, as high as 35% on hot streaks, and around 27-28% altogether. I win a good 40% of the flops I see.) Most of you total newbs on here probably play over 50%, which is purely a recipe for losing. I love to check raise on here even though Action said you shouldn't, but i do it rarely. I'm telling you right now - listen to him. He's got it all right.

the cust service is great.....the software VERY lacking....how can the reviewer praise it so much...they could not even show you your balance while you have been playing on a few tables, gotten up, then looked at your balance. i question sites like this that rate poker rooms.

Played 1243 hands, saw quads 14 times, quite unlikely. Beware site is crazy!

The title of this post says it all about this site!!!!! Good Players STAY AWAY!!

This is absolutely the most ridiculous poker site there is! I saw one guy catch back to back quads. Both times my friend caught quads he was beat...once by higher quads, and once by a royal flush!You may do good on this site for a day or so, but then the bad beats start hammering on you. Fish are rewarded way too often, and people who stay in with bottom pair catch their trips way too often. There's so many straight flushes it's almost funny, but not quite. This site has most definitely got to be rigged.This site is a ripoff and if you are a good poker player I suggest you stay away from this site. If you are a fish then this may be the site for you.Remember, you were warned.

Oh and another thing...oh "wise" one...if you would do some research you would find that there is no such thing as a "random" online card generator. Proof of, yet again..more cheating. [url]http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/entdev/article.php/11070_616221_2[/url]

I have played on the dog for 2 years You can get real bad beats no lie but in live games it happens also! And I give alot of them.I play alot so I get some bad beats thats poker!~ I have not put money in bodog in a over a year. (no bs) and I have cashed out alot. When you play on this site bring your best poker you will need it!!!!

Just because there's no "random" card dealing system, oh wise one, doesn't mean its rigged. There's a RANDOM number generator (emphasis on the word RANDOM.) I'm not sure, but i believe it works like this. Every card is assigned a number from 1-52. On every deal of a card, the RNG R A N D O M L Y selects a number from 1-52, and deals the corresponding card.Poker isn't rigged. It just eases our minds after a bad beat to go crazy with the "RIGGED BULL ****, IMPOSSIBLE" kind of stuff. People, people, bad beats are part of poker. If you don't expect them to ever happen, don't play poker.

how do u know..did u personally design the rng?? moron

You're calling me a moron, after providing no evidence that its rigged? you're a ****ing douchebag.

Bodog is a great place to play. However their policy of keeping all your winnings if a deposit is returned is resulting in me persuing a class action suit against them. The government has strick policies on what someone can charge for an NSF item and several hundred dollars is out of the question. If you have been a victim also and would like to partcipate in this action feel free to email me.

I just started playing at Bodog and it was funny how I got quads in the first 30 minutes of play at a NL table. I think people's theories of bad beats are true in the regard that big hands are made often. However, if I'm not mistaken, each hand the random number generator is seeded once and then that sequence of cards is set. So you would be seein the same community cards if u replayed that specific shuffle everytime, like in real life. Thus, rigging the game is impossible because the software doesn't know who's callin pre-flop and wat the action will be post-flop. What I can say is that the shuffle algorithm could very possibly be biased towards putting out big community cards. I could imagine a site doing that to increase postflop action to generate more rake, and this is sort of rigging, but it is not aimed at anyone in particular. No conspiracy theories here. So basically just adjust your play to expect big hands often and raise your overpairs hard early and be cautious with them late in the hand. Overall I like Bodog's software and whether or not I make money here depends on me. Also, if you're sick of hold em loose player schooling and suck outs, play some Omaha Hi/Lo. It's next to impossible to get screwed over playing correct tight-aggressive Hi/Lo.

Nowhere is it more profitable to be good at math then in a bodog ring game.

It does help if you can read the fish and the rocks at the table, should take maybe 10 minutes of watching the play to get that one worked out.

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OK This is what I have learned after losing about $100 over several months at bodog, THEY SET UP HANDS to promote action. I went into the free rooms to play and sat for awhile to observe. They match up pockets against pockets all the time, if you have pocket jacks or tens someone will have higher. People hit 1 card flush chasers all the time. Of couse someone has to win the hand but its not usually the one who started out with the best hand. I only play for free on bodog now. PS this company is based in Costa Rica so i dont know what kind of laws they have to abide by. If they are NOT setting hands up. Let them post their code (programming) on their website. gl all may your pockets grow fat.. but not with my money

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There is no one that can't convince me this site doesn't cheat. I have played online for years and have never seen anything like Bodogs 4/8 game. I lost a ton of $$ because:

A) Everyone hit's their crazy community boards
B) No one folds

I don't have the time or inclination to describe the dozens of horrific beats but a word of warning; if you expect the $4/$8 game to resemble anything like realistic poker than you are in for a rude awakening. Forget about AA losing to 33 cause that just happens. I'm talking about people calling down with running straights, running flushes, 1 over, low PP when the board is all paint, (and hitting the set on the river), A3 won't fold with a gun to their head, (can't tell you how many times KK, QQ, JJ lost to a turned A when I was raising PF and on the flop) it just goes on and on and on.

I'm not just basing my cheating theory on a few bad nights. As I've said I've played Online and live for years and I've simply never seen anything like it. I can see no way to be profitable on this site. For that reason, I will never play it again and I wanted to warn whoever may read this.

[purpleheartcop]

Read here this was a goldmine and it was true. Have played at a dozen sites and rate this a 10. This is my home and it puts groceries on the table often. Quick payouts and excellent tournaments. All types of games at any time of day or night.

[HPG ADMIN]

Amen brother

[Tiger Strat88]

Lost 1300 in one day from very bad beats. Lost with 3 flushes, 2 Ace High Str8s, Had pok aces to get one up for three, to have my all in for 250, to get called by a flush draw (Dumb call), and he hit. Been on bodog for over a year now and have lost a lot more than won. Home of the Bad Beats for sure that I wonder if it riged myself. Search elswhere for play. Or lose it all to the bad beat you WILL get. I have 3 other friends that play on it too and have not won crap. As I write this. I am playin with my last few dollars at this site, Had a KQ in hand and just hit 3 kings with an ace up too, Before any one bet, I typed in the chat, who has the pok aces. Called all in, just to be called by,who else, but the guy with the pok aces. KING OF BAD BEATS!!!!!!!

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I feel very fortunate to have survived this site. It sound like sour grapes but Bodog is the phenominal for bad beats in tournaments. Typical action goes like post-flop, you are holding the nut flush with the ace in your hand,you bet a little and then get raised all in. The cards turn over and you see the villain has top pair with a pair of nines, the turn and river are sevens which, with the seven on the board, gives the villain a fullhouse -> you lose. Happens time and again in STTs and MTTs.

I've won consistently on 3 other sites and got attracted here by the matching bonus. I've listened to people moan about bad beats and thought well even AA get beaten about 20% of the time or you went in on a draw what do you expect. Bodog is different. All I can say is basically you're not up against real players - these are casino looneys - they'll call with rags or fluke flushes/full houses once you're made your straight on the flop/turn.

You are warned!