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I have lost with 4 aces to a royal flush in Atlantic City that the dealers were talking about for days...and it was only a 5-10 game (thank God for small favors), so bad beats do happen time and time again due to the fact that there are a lot of awful players out there on the internet who don't care what they call down w/ for a 2 main reasons...1 is that they are playing on credit and don't worry about paying the bills in the future and the most important reson is that they don't have to face the other players telling them how stupid they are in person and have to see them over and over...click, they are out of the room. I mean does anyone truly think there is a guy at the headquarters watching the table saying "I'm gonna get this guy by giving him a good hand and have this guy suck out on him because he hasn't won lately!"

Anyone who believes that UB is not a set up game is totally naive. This is the most fake game I have ever played in my life. I agree that bad beats DO happen in real games. Some really bad beats happen in real life, no doubt. But, no game I have ever played in has beats as bad and as often as on UB. (I said bad beats and not bad bets, I know the difference)I have played poker for all of my adult life and most of my childhood and sometimes play for 36 or more hours at a time in real life games. I am no stranger to seeing some really bad beats. Never have I seen the amount of them in as few hands as I see them on UB. Also, in my entire life I can remember seeing 2 Royal Flushes and only a handful of str8 flushes in live games yet in less than 1 year I have gotten 2 Royals and too many str8 flushes to count. As I am playing on UB tonight I saw 2 str8 flushes in less than 1 hour, one of them I had the other was the fella to my left. Unbelievable things happen on this site and I could not possibly credit it to the luck of the draw or any concievable randomness of cards. UB used to state that they give everyone a chance to win. You tell me how everyone gets a chance to win if the draws are completely random? The only way to ensure that everyone gets a chance to win is to feed the fish frequently. Play for fun but I don't recommend trying to earn money on this site. It just will not happen no matter how good a player you are.

again you ppl are the ones who are naive. you sad more bad beats more often. With any online site there will always be more bad beats more often than reallife because in one hour time you can play up to 10X as many hands as in real life. So if by chance theres 2 bad beats of out 10 hands then theres on average 20 bad beats out of 100 and so forth. You ppl again just need an excuse as to why you dont do well. Ive played there for months and have been making money and have no bad comments.

I dunno bout all this cheating stuff.. Sounds interesting. I left the game for good, ahead sixty dollars on my 100 buyin. (forty of that in bonus dollars). I played one tourney, and lost in two hands, in the first hour. played AK, three way, heavy preflop betting. I flopped a king, and someone else flopped a set of tens. Played AJ suited, three way action. Flop was jack high. And again the other guy flopped a set. Interstingly enough, i lost this tourney, along with the rest of my roll, within days of cashing out. While this is a statistically meaningless anecdote, I do enjoy stirring the controversy. The reason I would never buy in again is because the software sucks, and the games are too tight. Someone else has suggested that good software attracts good players. Why anyone would call this software "good" is beyond me.

I strongly suspect that all you complainers are just bitter losers. I am neither a winner nor a loser, currently breaking even, but I have played on UB for many many hours and I think the "bad beats" are just part of the game. As for the guy complaining that 2-flush flops flush "more than the 25% of times they should" - take a math course please - if you are playing and have another 2 of the suit, your odds of flushing are about 36%. If you are not playing the odds of the board playing are about 40%. I have played for 2 months now. For the first month I was a bad player and I lost money. Now I am a better player and have got back to even. I have had "bad beats" as both a bad and good player, but in my second month I have lost less on my losing hands and won more on my winning hands, plus stuck more to the starting hands - you complainers should try that instead of wingeing about bad beats. I have cashed out quickly and reliably from UBet 3 times. I love their mini-view, meaning I can play 3 tables at once and see the good luck on one cancel out the bad luck on another. I majored in math/probability and, though I can't be certain after 2 months, my suspicion is that you complainers are just bad players, and that UB rocks - It is certainly a nicer site than PartyPoker or PacificPoker.

I think this poker site is fun for free money, and their freeroll tournaments. On bad beats, I do often agree. I for one see it most after I fold cards that should be folded. You'll need the turn and the river to make your middle straight. You fold, i've seen it come up more times then not. I think the reason for this is to encourage play and eliminate players quickly in tournaments. I don't know what the exact algorithim would be for giving good cards, and bad cards. I just find it strange on how unrealistic the cards are most times.

In response to Ted’s post: I did a little math as you suggested. Actually I allowed the computer to do it for me, I just told it how. My theory is that the UB Card engine promotes good cards, but in no ones favor. I created a script to simulate 10 hands between 2 players, pursuing to the river. My best way to generate randomness was to create an array for all 52 cards; I then randomly placed the cards into the array. $array[2] == Jh, $array[3] == 3s, etc, and then running again the variables were completely different. I did it this way to generate even more randomness in the card selection, as maybe an array with static variables wouldn’t be as random. After the array was generated I then simply created the script to pick random cards to deal out. The results were completely different then what you might see on UB. 60% of the hands dealt were won with a pair, or a high card. I then proceeded to go to a limit table on Ultimatebet heads up and play out 10 hands. The Recorded results were far superior to what my engine generated. Only 20% of the hands were won with a pair, or high card. The majority 40% were one with 3 of a kind. Then to finish it off 1 straight, 2 flushes, and a full house. I didn’t feel like I need to spend more time playing hands, because what I found was enough information for me. I’m not suggesting that anyone takes my information as gold. However my theory still stands that UB promotes and gives better cards, to everyone. This still makes it an even playing field. I can’t stress enough that this is complete speculation. It could be a mere coincidence that my tests returned what I thought they would. If you enjoy and play UB as much as I do, you should just take this information and say ‘weird’, and continue playing.

Party Poker just ordinary sucks. They are using bots as shils at the lower limts. The bots are not so much trying to win as crank up the action. I have played over 7,000 hands at UB mostly low level and it's by far the best site. I am not winning a ton, but I am winning.

i had a problem with the multi tables made it in the money a lot but always ran into a bad beat hand like aa vs kk know it happens but this was every time and for big money tourneys do u know who won first and the 8000 prize take a guess

The thing about UB is it likes to put you on streaks. You will go on a complete tear and get every Flush and Straight draw. This will happen for a pretty good amount of time until they know they have you and then everything will change drastically. This is when you will go the worst losing streak of your life. You won't be able to win. AA will be cracked, two pair won't be good enough, no draws will work out. It is a roller coaster. It also likes to put four card flush draws on the board, A LOT. Another thing that bugs me is that they don't seem to like it when you withdraw money. It seems like that is when the losing streaks start. I'm probably paranoid but thought I would share. I do like their multi table tourneys, especially the TURBO ones.

i can't stand all the people who ignore the facts. I win tournies, win at $$ games. To say that that anyone who complains aobut a sites randomness or something like that is just a bitter loser is way too naive. Like I said I consistently place in MTT's and win at $$ tables but I do think that all of these peoples ideas and complaints all hold credence. There are definitely problems with these sites and here is a link to prove what has happened in the past already. You can't argue with facts like seeing 4 4 of a kinds and 2 straight flushes in 1 hour of a tourney, lmao, if you think that is normal poker when it CONSISTENTLY happens you are on crack. Here's a link of some people who cracked the algorithm codes and knew every card coming off the deck and you just think we're bitter losers..... [url]http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/entdev/article.php/11070_616221_2[/url]

by far the best. if you dont like it, you dont know what you're talking about. best.

I play for fun, i lose money, i win money, but i have to admit most of the gripes in this thread are fairly accurate. Every time i deposit i immediatly win, every time i withdraw i immediatly lose. I play alot more in real life than online, and i recognize that the online games are faster, but that doesn't change the % of how much you win or lose. I'm a programmer, and when in school one thing they taught us is that there is no such thing as a random number generator. They have to skew the results one way or the other, and it doesn't make any sense for them to skew them towards the people who keep winning. You can choose to believe it or not, but at least read the following articles, along with the pages they link to. [url]http://www.gambling.co.uk/news/gambling-news.html?story=895[/url]
[url]http://the-raw-prawn.blogspot.com/2004/10/will-bots-destroy-online-poker.html[/url]

Ultimate Rip Off These Sites Are Fixed Untill Regulated Its A Double Gamble Against Them And Player Unless Your 100 Percent Sure Legit Why Wager Your Money.remember Where Theres Money Theres Greed There Future Is Uncertain So Make As Much As U Can.if You Ran A Bank And Could Steal With No Chance Of Getting In Trouble Would U

Great site. I've played thousands and thousands of hands. Yes, there are bad beats, but not as often as some people act like(they probably lost all there money and got pissed). Very proffesional look and great interface.

Brian, I love your solution. Clearly well-rounded statistics there -- ten hands is, after all, a VERY BIG sample, and any difference between the ten hands on UB and the ten hands you simulated could never be attributed to chance.

Sometimes i swear UB is rigged, it's unbelievable, they always throw out river cards to some shitty hand, always try to make a low strait on the table, and if you have a high pair, fold, some jackass with 2 pair of 2s and 4s will kick your ass, since UB always throw cards to bullshit hands. On the other hand, if you can figure out there little game, play and bet big on the crappiest hands, I suggest that if you have 2-7os, all in, ur guarrenteed at least 2 pair. Fuck you, UB!

im still laughing my a55 off at these comments by the ppl complaining. By the way, if AA gets cracked then it means you played the hand wrong. AA all in preflop is a mistake cause anything can beat it at any given time. And if you slow play it to the river as if only a pair of aces was the strongest hand in poker than you should keep playing cause ill be at the tables taking your money. No hand is a guaranteed winner. Seems like anytime you complainers dont win a hand its a bad beat. The sooner you realize AA isnt a guaranteed winner and that flushes and straights happen all the time, the sooner youll play right and start winning money. Its not surprise you always lose and claim cheating....

I can honestly say when I lose it 95% on me the other 5% is bad breaks that happen in poker.this site I believe is honest,if you dont think so try party poker them tell me who is not honest

Izzick: Well, I've played thousands of hands on Ub, and thousands of hands face to face with other people. The results have always been the same. I only used 10 hands for the example becuase it had answered my question. I don't care if you think it was a good system or not, it answered the questions I had. I'm not trying to form something solid against UB, becuase frankily I don't care if they cheat. My personal opinion stands, UB gives people cards to make straights and flushes more so then the average hand played. As others do im sure.

i just joined UB after being at paradise poker for a while. In just one night, i lost twice with a full house to a four of a kind. i saw 5 four of a kinds in a matter of 4 hours. i play at casino's and i'll stay almost a whole day and never see four of a kind. The site is realiable and they the payout system is great. I just dont like their random card generator, seems to unrealistic to me. Im not going to complain about some bad beats because i got my share in just one night. I've never seen so many straights and flushes, at one point there were 3 straights in a row. cmon, you can't possibly tell me that happens at a real table. i'll never play at UB again.

kangol is obviously a moron. Like I said I win on UB so I am not complaining because I lose, just putting in my 2 cents on this site's quality. I am just saying that there is something wrong with the generator because way too many MONSTER hands are dealt WAY too often. By the way kangol AA is the one hand your ONLY objective unless heads up is to try to get all your money in preflop because you have very much the best of it. If you think people will call all in every time you have AA that's the way to do it...push, you moron.

Well frankly im finding a trend on all the reviews. Everyone claims that every poker site is purposley screwing them for the benefit of others/ Giving "Money Flops" so they can get a bigger rake. Honestly, just reading thru each review of a site and its the same conspiracy in each one. Heres two points I hope people can understand about online poker. 1.) There are more hands played within an hour online then live. Thus there will be more monster hands and more bad beats. 2.) Theres alot of bad players young and old out there. So, more bad beats occur cause a good player woulda folded and not outdrawn you.And when it comes to AA it's just a preference. I personally rather keep it one on one, and frankly rather get it to an allin heads up preflop than let it hit a flop with multiple players. Playing limit poker teaches you that the more callers you have with AA the more likley you will lose.

THIS IS A WARNING: DO NOT PUT MONEY ONLINE AT UB. After witnissing and being subject to several bad beats and $150 later I was totally fed up. Having been a software engineer for 15 years I decided to do some investigation into their system. After about three weeks of reverse engineering their software I confirmed what I had suspected, UB's interface is designed to maximize their rake/take regardless of players.

I never believed UB was `unnatural`, but have come around to that opinion. The 'fix' could be simple as using a fraction of the deck on some percentage of deals - if the deck contains nothing lower than 9, perhaps that explains the rash of wired pairs. There are times when it seems all that gets dealt are face cards. Sure, these things happen in live games - I had a straight flush beat a flush and full house on the same hand, but will probably never see that again. On UB AA,KK,QQ,JJ are too often a death sentence. Too many people playing too many hands have seen the same thing to mark it up to 'bad play' or 'sour grapes.'

I agree do not put money on UB even if you do win they don't pay tou if you win to much. they just disable your account and take the money in it.

i agree with Sherrif-way too many bad beats,unreal hands etc. Poor players betting heavy w junk cards and catching time after time as if they knew what cards were coming.If you make a complaint you will get on their chit list and get crap hands for the next few weeks.the game is definitely rigged---BEWARE--Sucker site

Bad and good. Ultimate Bet is a great site if you're a casual playerand want to get into real money tournaments for free. It's not thathard to pile up Ultimate Points by playing in their freeroll UltimatePoints Tournament and on their play money tables. I have to say though,that as a guy who has taken college courses in probability, and donewell, I have some reservations about this site. I have a suggestion.Instead of just posting a web page which explains the lengths they goto concerning their random number generator, why don't they prove thatit's actually working properly? Why don't they run some freerolltournaments with the understanding that everyone's complete hand histories will be made public. That way the number crunchers can verifythat 3 to 1 favorites do indeed win 3 out of 4 times. In fact, I wonderwhy they haven't done this already. As a former auditor I know thatthings need to be proven. Just because a lot of care and testing goesinto something doesn't mean it'll work properly. NASA tests its systems, have all the space shuttles returned to earth safely? It wouldbe easy for them to do this and to have an outside source verify thatthey used the same random number generator as they do on their othergames.

I can't seem to find a site that is legit! They all suck compared to real games. Maybe if they were based in the US and had to follow our laws it would work... Until a US based poker room comes out I am finished playing online.

I agree with some of these reviews that the runs appear too often to be fixed. I started playing online 2yrs ago on empire poker. Then i also played on poker room.com (great site) and then landed on ultimate bet through a refferal by a friend. At first "ub" was the bomb but then recently over the last 4-5 months they seem to be running in cycles. I mean i've lost to bad beats as much as the next guy and there is a lot of diferent factors to take into concideration when it appears that you are just not getting the cards. I mean come-on i once had a tremendous chip count on ub and maintained a certain average and then all of the sudden it seemed like no matter who i played how i played or when i played the hands were speciffically dealt in a manner to take my chips away. I've heard that they hire people to play on thier website to keep action moving and sometimes it seems like you have the nuts on a strong hand and people will call you (even all in) all the way to the river with disconnected unsuited crap and pull off the win on the river. Keep in mind i play and three or 4 different sites on a regular basis and have not seen the bull that i see on ultimate bet. Something is definately going on that is not on the up and up. And if you think i'm a sore loser then just see for yourself. Play for an hour a day for a week or two on different sites and you'll see what i mean. I.e. Absoluet, pokerstars, poker room and ultimate bet.