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what should i have done??
Blinds $1-2, cash game. Our hero is on the button w/ AKs.
Everyone folds to player on hero's right. This player raises to $5 Hero raises to $10 total Blinds fold. Original raiser makes it $30 total. Is he stealin or is our hero screwed? |
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You mean "Is he BLUFFING..."
...because he would no longer be "stealing" since the button reraised him. The original raise may very well have been a steal attempt (though I doubt it), but once he reraises the reraiser, he's either got a SERIOUS hand, he's semi-bluffing a raise-worthy hand, or he totally thinks OUR HERO was either stealing/bluffing and he thinks he's got the best of it.
How you determine which of those it might be is dependent on many factors that you haven't listed answers for. Most of them have to do with what our hero has observed throughout play. But absent any other indicators, I'd look at what that $30 means to his stack. If he's got $3000 in front of him, the bet could be meaningless. But if it's half his stack, our hero is definitely in trouble. Realistically our hero may very well be in trouble anyway, considering he's an underdog to any pair, and a huge underdog against AA or KK. Now, should our hero PLAY the hand? Well, that depends on our hero. What does that $30 do to HIS stack? Can he handle the potential bad beat he's in line for if it happens? And, as previously mentioned, what does he know about his opponent? But yeah, on the face of it, I think our hero is likely in trouble. Barring more information, I think he's up against AA or KK (or a real idiot/maniac/masochist). |
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thanks
yeah, I forgot to mention the stakes. It was a $50 max table, and we were both sitting with stacks around $100. I have played with this guy before, and he was a pretty tight player. I ended up folding the hand because this player didnt raise a lot preflop. Thanks for the advice.
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go for it
wooow tough call ak suited against a tight player what to do. i am a pretty agressive player so what i think i would do is call and see three. Maybe you have the two overs and he was playing jacks. Either way you came to gamble and thats just what you would do there GAMBLE. Bet the 20 tighten up if it dosent work out sure ypu could have gotten sucked in on the flop but after all it is called gambling lol
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All-in
Everyone knows you can't lay down AK suited. If you let him bet you out of it after the flop, you will not see the other 2 cards, and totally lose your chance to win. The only REAL hand you have to fear is pocket rockets. If he has KK, you still have 5 outs before the flop, even. If he has AA, you are totally done. If he has any less than KK, you have about a coin flip situation at the worst. So, there are only 2 hands you should fear. What are the odds he has one of these two hands?
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Who says...
...you can't lay down AK suited? Who's the "everybody" who "knows" that? There's no hand I cant lay down except the bullets (and if I'm playing with the mortgage money and the preflop bet puts me allin, I'd even consider throwing THOSE in the muck). Let's remember, you're not on TV and the only person seeing your cards is YOU. So yeah, if your gut is telling you you're behind...or you are too short on cash...or you don't think you can outplay this guy if the hand requires maneuvering...or you have to piss and your concentration is shot--whatever--you can most certainly lay the hand down.
Now let's get something clear. I'm not saying you SHOULD lay it down. I'm saying you certainly CAN. That decision rests entirely within your gut while you're staring at that stack of chips he just threw in front of him. You know the player, you know how you're playing on the night, you know if you're tired or (heaven forbid) drunk or playing with scared money. You KNOW what call to make...and either one may very well be the right one. One of the great (and absolutely most ignored, especially among today's players) maxims of poker is "choose your battles". If your opponent is the way you say he is (in your second post), then you know he's got a hand. It almost doesn't matter WHAT it is. You're behind versus ANY pair (not much, but behind nonetheless), you're crippled versus KK, you're dead in the water versus AA, and HIS AK could be just as suited as yours...what other hand could he possibly be playing? And you know the liklihood is it's one of the big three, two of which utterly destroy your odds. ANOTHER great poker maxim is DON'T CONTINUE THE HAND WHEN YOU'RE TAKING THE WORST OF IT. But if, as the other poster says, you see poker as "gambling" (what person who calls himself a poker player thinks that???), then by all means gamble. Maybe if you get clocked by the guy, he'll give you enough money to go play the nickel slots or the roulette wheel or something equally ludicrous. |
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Iceman knows what he is talking about
the best players know when to fold AK, remember..."everybody" knows that a small pair can bet the AK. Depends more on you and your opponetns stack size, your position and how your opponent has been playing. If he/she is tight, I'd fold in a heart beat. If he's known to be a lose player, well...
Sometimes you have to fold and commend your opponent for a great bet. |
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Yeah, maybe you are right...
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#9
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Since AK is a drawing hand it is hard to say.
It all depends on player history. If this player is a rare raiser and comes out with a big raise I would put him on A-A or K-K myself. You really want to hit your Ace only. Then you can find out with aggressive betting if he is holding A-A or K-K and maybe Q-Q. If a King hits you could end up in a heap of trouble. But thats just me. |
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see a frickin flop...he 3 bets u...u have to see that flop...otherwise you shouldnt be sitting 1,2...u should be playing in the local bar tourney for bar tabs and free wings...
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haha, holy balls that original post was 3 years ago....wow i need to learn to navigate this site a little better
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#12
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there's nothing wrong with replying to old threads
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#13
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easy...
Alot of unknown info, yes, but it doesn't matter in this case. It is costing you $20 to call a $43 pot...with slick? SNAP CALL. The flop will decide the rest. At this point decide you can get creative or gear down. Depends much more on your confidence and skills. If his cards were face up and you could see aces you should still make this call. Anyone tells you different, start watching them more closely. They will be easy to read and soon you will be crushing THEM. gl
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I like either calling or folding here. You could raise, but a raise practically commits you so you're better off just shoving into a tight player who just three bet PF. I wouldn't mind shoving against a loose player, but against someone who 'doesn't rasie a lot preflop' and he raise and re-raised my re-raise, that sends of warning bells.
Folding won't be a bad option if you think you are beat. Whats his 3bet range here? JJ+? He probably isn't 3 betting with mid-pairs. Maybe AK as well? Given the possible range, calling isn't a bad option either since you are getting 2:1 on your money and you can reevaluate on the flop. |
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New Situation
There is 360 players left in, the bubble is 300. You have 45,000 in chips your table is fairly tight, and has tightend up even more with the bubble approaching. The blinds are 1000 2000 300 ante You wake up in the big blind with aces, 15,000 stack limps, 32000 makes a raise 8000 small blind goes all in for 16000. What do you do? Just curious on how people would look at it.
Last edited by Palmer1287; 04-21-09 at 08:55 PM. Reason: minor error |
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Push all in, no question here.
mike |
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I guess that was a bad example... Lets say it's queens or ace king off.
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My question is would you play it or would you let it go and continue to steal blinds. The table has tightened up big time. I don't think there is a wrong answer here.
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Raising to $10 in this spot is utterly horrendous. Make a "real" raise, $15 or $17 seems fine here. As far as whether or not you should call, raise, or fold, we need more info. Stack sizes? What type of player is your opponent? What type of player are you? Just noticed that you both have $100. Shove preflop. Last edited by DaNutFullHouse; 05-12-10 at 05:59 PM. |
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