ONLINE POKER - SITE - Party Poker

I'm not going to bore you with hands that seemed out of whack or whine about bots taking my money. My experience with PP leads me to believe that there are two random number generators working at the same time. One distributeds the cards randomly and one distributes those players based upon account history. It is possible to classify it random yet place those random cards where you want them. It is subtle, but I firmly believe that when they decide it is your turn to re-up more money into your acct then it will happen. Putting in an extra sequence of code into an algorithum is not that tough if you are a good programmer. Go play in a real game in AC or Vegas, or even locally and watch how pairs, two pairs and sets dominate the action, while at PP straights, flushes and boats dominate. Losing to a second pair on the river is considered a bad beat in live games. Losing to quads or a boat is the norm on PP. I went to a site that rates your play on PP and was given a 42% (500+ games in a sit and go format) win ratio, which was considered a pro so calling me a rookie would be an unfair generalization. I am headed over to another site to try it out and track similarities and differences and will post back.

read above for the clues...pretty obvious...if i need to explain, it's really really ...really sad

I've read every post on here, and most for the other sites... The only thing I see are bad beat stories, and we all have plenty of those. Where some of you see possible evidence of cheating, I merely see bad poker plays and bad beats. I'll believe that some players cheat via collusion, and that sucks, but it's hard to stop. I want you to provide me with clues that PP is cheating, and from my perspective a hand history is not a clue. If it was a clue, all the above posts would provide clues to different types of cheating, not just one. We could assume that an opponent could see your hole cards, we could assume that PP intentionally gave the underdog the winning hand, we could assume that action flops are dealt to induce betting, we could assume there are planted shills to increase the rake, we could assume that someone just made a withdrawal and PP is punishing them, we could assume someone just made a deposit and PP is rewarding them. Lots of assumptions about different possibilities... but even the clues don't add up to circumstantial evidence of a single method of fraud, there is much reasonable doubt. I know for a fact that some people are learning to play poker with real money, instead of play money, this could easily explain some of the bad poker plays on the low limits. It's a nightmare for a decent poker player to sit with a beginner, they will do anything just to see what happens. I've watched the upper limits on PP and UB and rarely does anyone suck out on the river, no one calls that far into the hand, these people understand the game... low limit is a different story, some people could care less about their 25 or 50 dollars. Others take their money much more seriously, and can't understand why some people make such bad plays. I think it's a situation of the relative importance of money for different people. A decent player seems to assume that because they would 'never make that call', that when someone does it must be evidence of cheating. It's beginners and people who could care less about the money, that's my explanation.

I started playing at Party in June 2004. My bankroll grew from $100 to $2000 in 3 months all at the $0.50/$1 limit. However, soon after, my tight playing started me on a losing streak. Bear in mind I only play now when they give me a bonus. Ever since they updated the software in late 2004, bad play is rewarded. There's no doubt about that. When you flop trip aces and the other guy keeps raising with A K Q 10 and rivers a ucking J, somebody's cheating. Who is it? If this happens every so often, I would say "big deal". But it happens all the time to the same players. If this was legitimate, why would they give such generous bonuses? They know exactly how much money they're going to extract from you while you're trying to the required rakes either by using bots or employees. CASE CLOSED ALL YOU UCKING CHEATERS.

Dumbo, i dont get your argument. we didn't program the software so how can we come up with empirical evidence of fraud??? you learn by observation, mistakes and taking action. I have observed many irregularities in PP that i never see in a live game or tv tournaments. As i said before a live game is dominated by top pairs, two pairs and sets. online poker seems to be dominated by higher hands as a regular occurence and we have had to adjust by tightening up our games to win, or play really loose when you the computer allows you to get on a roll. data and player statistics can be measured, quantified and adjusted on the fly so subtle hand controls can be made to occur. they can track everything and if they are overly greedy and expect to have tighter restrictions/laws placed on them in the near future, who's to say that they wont try for their buck?

Well apparently i have to provide a clue..so here's clue #1... Partypoker vs. Pokerstars. If you read the few hundred posts about these two sites you will come to one conclusion (if you have a brain, that is)...that Pokerstars has far, far less complaints than Partypoker. Hmmm...interesting... probably the two biggest sites out there. Of the posts... 25% are complaining about Pokerstars, whereas, 75% are complaining about Partypoker..interesting.

I played at party poker for about a year, hit it big (for me at least) in March of this year. I won $8100 in a span of 2 weeks, cashed out and then began too see the most unbeleivable bad beats ever. So after months of giving my winnings back, I signed up at Poker Stars(about 2 weeks ago). I deposited $50 and in my first hour at the .5/1 NL table I was up to $250. In the next week i was up another $100 and had the original $50 up to $350+. It was so relieving to see good cards hold up, as on Party I would almost always get my money in with the best hand but would lose to some ridicolous beats. So last Friday night I withdrew $50 and it has been all down hill. I kid you not, in a 2 night span I was dealt pocket pairs 22 times, and not once did I hit a set--on all 5 community cards. That seems abit unreal, being stats say you hit a set 20% of the time when holding pockets. Anyways, I am now down to $94 in my account and I am curious to see if this withdraw curse is for real on Stars as well as Party.

I really don't think that any site is conspiring against any certain player whether they withdraw or not. I think there is something to the action flop thing. These sites will take money from whoever whether they withdraw or not due to the increased betting and calling at the low limits through the rake. As for the people who say that only bad players lose on the internet due to bad calls they obviously have not had one of the bad beat streaks that happen and have been talked about over and over on this board. I too have been the victim of several of these for whatever reason.

I don't understand the point about action flops, maybe I play differently than some people but I'm more prone to fold on an action flop than call or raise. Why would PP put as many scare cards as possible on the flop only to have most players, or at least tight players, fold immediately. Three to a straight or flush on board and I'm more likely than not to fold my top pair, depending on my outs and the size of the bet. I've also noticed that in spite of what some of these posts say, people often play VERY tight at the lower no-limit tables, often just the top 10 or 20 hands, I don't find this to be particularly suspicious regarding any mode of cheating. However, sometimes it's very predictable, great for bluffers and sharks. If I see someone playing like a megalomaniac, I'll find a better table. And to conservative players on PP, hit and runs can make you quite a few dollars without ever giving any of the players info about your long term play. Buy in on a $25NL with about $10, wait for the nutz, double up and leave, all the while taking notes on the other players. Because of the blinds you may only walk away with about 17 or 18, but it's an easy way to slowly fill your bankroll (and you can only lose ten bucks at a time). Also, lots of fish on the .50/1.00 BEGINNERS table, but watch out for lucky draws. Raising with beginners is often a fruitless effort due to all the calling stations, so just be patient. As for the conspiracy theories floating around the internet about cheating (other than collusion), I just simply have to laugh. Long live party poker and I'll see you at the tables.

pp has some obscene flops. not to mention the river. more than 50 percent of the time im holding better pockets such as aa or kk and the other player qq or jacks and goes all in...on the river magically another jack or queen. statistically these lower pairs winning the hand is very slim. ive lost with aa or kk more than half the time. i think the site is a bit rigged. they try to distibute money evenly keepin the players happy. so once i win big i always lose bigger. pp's cashing out system isnt also that great. they leave you with a pending amount for the longest time. make you lose so you have to deposit that pending amount back in. ive also played on ultimate bet and i think that site is not as fake as party poker. you can win at pp but you will most def end up losing much more.

Hey random, if that's true, stop going all in with aces or kings and only do it with jacks or queens, lol. If you are so sure that it happens all the time take advantage of it. Anytime you put all your chips in pre-flop you are gambling (even with those shiny aces), never think otherwise. With enough callers (all-in) you are actually better off folding your aces. For example, I wouldn't want to gamble all my chips with aces against both kings and queens, 2 in 5 times you will be busted by a set with two callers. Tournaments are different and some people have obviously seen too much poker on tv. Aces are the best starting hand, but it's only a starting hand, not a finished hand. In my humble opinion, going allin preflop is never a good decision in a cash game, unless of course you can handle the bad beats, which apparently you cannot.

You're a ucking idiot! You want to go all in with AA against KK & QQ. If you fold AA, you're playing the wrong game. Why would you fold when you're going to win 3 out of 5 times, MORON?

Party Party Party. Well im down 500 at this god forsaken site. But why do I keep coming back? Because of the freaking players thats why. There are literally thosuands of players first off. And secondly the skill level ranges. I can easily make my money back. Whats the key? Tight play.(cash games im talking about) Out of the 500 I lost, about 300 was my own fault(chasing,calling preflop with medicore hands qk,j10,etc. and tilting) And the rest of 200 were bad beats. So I know I will make my money back.. Just takes time..

and when I lost to the bad beats, could I have prevented it? Sure! What couldve I have done? Fking fold! Example your dealt KK, at a 25nl cash game and you raise 1-2 dollars, you get reraised all in with pocket 7's!(but u dont know that duh) What do you fking do? Fold! Thats right fold... Also there is one insance I was dealt qq, flop is something like aq5 ace and the 5 are diamonds. My caller goes all in with flush draw.. What could I have done? Fking fold... but no, i call with my set and he hits his flush on the river. Yes its a fking bad beat, but why risk all your $ if you dont have the nuts? Anyways, just play super duper tight, and youll do fine at online and real money games.. Gl all..

I've been playing poker for 2 years now. My first online experience was with these idiots. I chose to play there because the competion was soft. Well, after a month playing, I am done. Oh yeah, after my first 3 weeks, I was at $303.00 after starting with my $50 deposit. My playing style is very tight. I see strange things there all the time though. AA or KK being called down with J4 off suit and so on and them winning every time. Last night, I witnissed a guy get beat after raising and re-raising twice then all-in with his KK by a guy holding 8-10 offsuit. You guessed it.. the guy with 8-10 hit trips on the river.But these bad beats are hardly my most concern. What I have noticed since I started playing there is the alarming rate that the board pairs. I actually sat down last night and counted 21 hands that went to the river, and out of 21 hands 12 of them the board paired! And twice it two-paired! Now I am no statistical expert, but I know from live play that this happens rarely. I don't care about these guys telling you, "oh well that's because you're seeing more hands online." Well, I am going by percentage, and these ARE the facts. I could have sat down and done it today, tomorrow, last week, measured 10 hands or 3,000 hands.. it happens on there ALL the time. And it's definitely done to induce more betting, thus a bigger rake. Full Houses occur on that site so frequently it isn't funny. What are the odds of a full house?? C'mon guys, wake up! If you don't believe me, that's fine but I'm just trying to give some advice to anyone that may be thinking about signing up there..DON'T DO IT!!! I have withdrawn my money that I have there and will deposit it on another site I found. And no I am not saying where I will be moving to, just so you know I'm not trying to endorse another site. I am being totally honest about this experience. Good luck, everyone.

Yeah, I agree that something illegitimate is going on at PP. I'm a pretty tight player, and do well at PokerStars and hold my own at Pacific Poker. But at PP, I'm kept seeing these weird flops and people betting and raising with junk hands and WINNING. I don't see this at those other two sites. Stay away from Party Poker.

Played at a sit and go yesterday and was dealt AA on 3 out of 4 hands. Not that i'm complaining about it but what the hell are the odds of that happening with a true random generator? Very fishy.

The reason these sights put up action flops is to increse betting and thus the rake. How many times in a live game do you see two of the same suit or three to a straight? It happens all the time online. If you can't see why the poker sights would want to do this then you need your head examined.

The stupidity still amazes me. The only way you get this so-called "action flop" is if there are enough morons to bet at it. The flop can pair or 3 straight every hand, if nobody bets it, it's not an "action flop" is it? If your dumb enough to jam your queens with a 4 card straight on the board after you let 4 others limp in, you deserve to get your ass handed to you. Again, I am not a pro, but I certainly don't have to work full time with the money I make here. Why, because of whining idiots like three quarters of the idiots here. Play anything less than 5/10 and I dont want to hear you piss and moan about being outdrawn by 10-8. Who needs to rig a poker site when morons are jamming 2 black kings with 4 diamonds on the board? He'll get you your rake without rigging the site. If you took every action flop that had 6-7-8-9 on the board, and had intelligent people throw away pocket queens, any 5, and 9-7s, there would never be any "action". Any person who plays these hands to the river should be shot. These are the idiots that make "action flops", not the site. All the site does is prey on the stupidity of its players, and believe me, its out there, everywhere.

"The reason these sights put up action flops is to increse betting and thus the rake"........ That's a bunch of crap, I have to agree with bigdaddy's post. And I might add that action flops do not induce action from decent players, if anything they should scare people away from the hand. This concept of an action flop is nothing more than conspiracy theory at it's finest, it makes no sense and is simply not true. People at the low limits play too many hands, can't find the fold button, and are fish for an accomplished player. Online poker is different from live poker for many many reasons, I have found that the best way to win online is to play extremely tight-aggressive. Too passive and you never protect your hand; too loose and you are just a calling station.

Here's an example of what I mean by my last post, Mr "random" who posted on Aug 21 says he lost with AA and KK more than half the time. Why? Because the idiot is jamming his aces with a 4 straight or a 4 flush on board. I just finished a 3 hour session at a 2/4 table and was dealt aces and kings twice each. What seperates me from this monkey is that I folded 3 of these 4 hands and all 3 hands I would have lost. This guy would have lost at least another $100 trying to jam these hands into 4 clubs, 9-T-J-Q, and a two pair board. ME? I folded every time and left the session up $160 instead of up $50. HIM? He jams every pot, loses his shirt, and pisses and moans about it here.

bigdaddy STFU! People like you crack me up. "I am not a pro, but I certainly don't have to work full time with the money I make here." Another funny statement from someone who no doubt is playing .50/$1.00 tables. You probably brag about getting laid too LOL. Usually people who brag about shit are completely the opposite of what they say. Anyway, people play online poker because they can make foolish bets, calls, and raises and never need to worry about getting shit on from anyone. Online poker sites know this and therefore why not induce a flop that will cause betting or calling. You talk about people jamming KK into a 6,7,8,9 flop and turn. The whole point is 6,7,8,9 or four diamonds or pairing the board even two pairing the board happens CONSISTANTLY here you dope. You barely ever see this in a casino or on many other poker sites. When you have K10 of diamonds and a flop comes Q,8,2 of diamonds and you go all in and get called by A(diamonds)2 and the river is a diamond what can u do? Party Poker rewards loose calls and bad play all the time. Common flop on Party Poker is K,Q,10,10,9 with 3 of one suit. A lot of people who play online are just learning and therefore AN ACTION FLOP WILL INDUCE BETTING YOU TOOL! Anyway Keep living in your dreamworld bigdaddy and thanks for the laugh!

Blow me couldn't be more dead on. The problem isn't jamming KK or AA into 6,7,8, flops its that almost every flop has an A or a K or 2 of a kind or some straight or flush possibility. I haven't kept track but i'd bet that a someone pulls a straight or a flush every 3rd or 4th hand. That just doesn't happen in live games. Granted there are some real lousy players at this site but it doesn't seem to matter when they are constantly paid off for their stupid play.

Nothing like some jackass like Blow Me to make my point for me. You tell me i am wrong and in the same breath say "why not induce a flop that causes betting" THATS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID YOU 4UCKIN MORON! It takes a moron like you to make the bets. And just a little FYI, the only reason I brag about getting laid is because I pay for the hooker with your money. You're the one that must brag about getting laid, it happens so seldom for you that you come here and beg people like me to "BLOW YOU!". "AN "ACTION" FLOP WILL INDUCE BETTING (ONLY FROM A MORON LIKE YOU)" I was playing 50/1.00 tables before you were the twinkle in the eye of a horny teenage hooker sitting in the backseat of an el camino at a drive-in movie chargin your old man $50 an hour to stick his head in her snatch. Dont like 4 diamonds, FOLD, dont like pairs, FOLD. dont like the straight, FOLD. My dream world consists of you coming up with $5000 and putting your money where your mouth is. That is, after I get my dik out of it.

Where you running to? monday nite, right here. UB is just as bad as this. If you know you cant beat me here, what makes you think you can beat me anywhere? By the way, its you WERE, not you was. How did a 4th grader who cant even speak the language come into 5G anyway?

Woohoo... more bad poker players crying fraud and conspiracy.... which means more money for me!!!!!!!!!!! You people think you know how to play poker, and you are so mistaken it makes me laugh... PP is totally legit and good players have made so much money off you babies that it's almost criminal.... you lose because you suck!!! No such thing as action flops.. and you people wouldn't know true odds if they hit you in the face, you haven't played enough hands to see them... (and never forget, if you can't find the fish on the table it is YOU)

Excuse me waiter, can I have another order of the fish? ... Sure, just go to PP.

Hey conspiracy buffs, why don't you bring down the so-called fraudulent site??? I know why... because you suck at poker, or don't understand bad beats and can't handle them... (I can't wait until this trendy poker thing stops)

EVERYONE of you need lives and are degenerate losers!!!!!! EVERYONE of you need lives and are degenerate losers!!!!!!EVERYONE of you need lives and are degenerate losers!!!!!!EVERYONE of you need lives and are degenerate losers!!!!!! HAHAHA

All of you dorks on here need to shut up ...you all sound worse than broads... time for a tampon change i think. Grow some balls b*tches.