Full Tilt Poker was launched in the middle of 2004 with a lot of promotion. The software was developed by Tiltware, LLC and the site was backed by Team Full Tilt, a group of some of the most talented players in the world. The team was comprised of veterans like Howard Lederer, newer players like Patrik Antonius, and oline players like Tom 'durrrr' Dwan. Besides being involved in the marketing, they played at the site. And unlike other online sites that claim to have professional players associated with their sites, the members of Team Full Tilt actually did play there. Even better, they frequently played low-stakes gams and chatted with other players at the table. In addition to Team Full Tilt, there were over 100 "Full Tilt Pros," professional players who were sponsored by the site when playing at tournaments.
Full Tilt sponsored several poker TV programs, including Poker After Dark. They established their own tournament series, "Full Tilt Online Poker Series" (FTOPS), in 2006.
On July 19, 2009, Full Tilt, as part of their fifth anniversary celebration, attempted to beat the world record for the most players playing in a single online poker tournament. They broke the old record of 35,000 by hosting a tournament with 50,000 players, but this record was beaten later that day by PokerStars.
In 2009, Full Tilt Pro Brian Townsend's status was suspended for using another player's hand histories to study high stakes player Isildur1, from whom he won $3m in a single day earlier that month.
In 2008, Full Tilt was sued in Nevada by Clonie Gowen, a popular poker professional and former Full Tilt Pro. She claimed that Full Tilt offered her a 1% ownership of the company in exchange for her involvement. Her claims were dismissed in 2009.
There has been much talkabout Full Tilt being rigged. Even though the online poker conspiracy theorists basically tihnk every site is rigged, Full Tilt seems to bear a disproportionate amount of speculation about having rigged games. Of course, nothing has been proven.Full Tilt is the 2nd largest poker room after PokerStars, and it is one of the few poker rooms with a lot of traffic that is solo poker room. They offer a wide range of limits - from $0.01/$0.02 micro-limit games to $3,000/$6,000 games. They are known for hosting the highest-stakes games in online poker, and are credited with being the home of the largest pots in online poker history. On November 21, 2009, Team Full Tilt Professional Patrik Antonius beat then-anonymous Swedish player Isildur1 for a $1,356,947 pot in a hand of Pot Limit Omaha, the largest online poker pot to date.
Full Tilt offers 100% up to $600 sign-up bonus. They offer freerolls, guaranteed tournaments, satellites for the World Poker Tour, RushPoker mobile, and a Full Tilt store where you can buy merchandise with Full Tilt points. Their software is very good. It has good functionality, is smooth, and you can assign yourself a cartoon avatar (if that is your thing).
In early 2010, Full Tilt offered a new variation of poker, called "Rush Poker", where players do not remain at a specific table. Instead, they join a pool of other players, and, when they fold, they are transferred to a new table and dealt a new hand.
Full Tilt got shut down on Black Friday and stayed closed for many months. It was eventually sold to Pokerstars and was re-opened to non-US customers only in November 2012.
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I just don't get all the talk about the site(Fulltilt) being rigged....I am now at @$200(was at around $100 when I last posted) playing mostly .02/.05 RushNLHE.... I was at $225+/- a few days ago, but I hit a bad run, plus I started multi-tabling to take advantage of their take 2 bonus...I actually ran it down to 185+/-( i ignored my money management philosophy and was tilting a bit)....I don't think mutli-tabling is good for me:P...but I had a good run tonight and I am back over $200...I just don't see how you guys are getting called so much with AA....I swear that I rarely get action when I have AA (I usually raise about 3.1x the BB no matter what I am opening with) ...I would say about half the time I get AA, I have to open with them. Everyone usually folds and I get the Blinds...plus, when someone open raises from early and I am in late position or in the blinds with AA, I usually call with them(trying to get value)....and I also try not to get too crazy with them postflop...besides, those hands make up such a small percentage of the total hands that I play. What I have learned lately is how and when to get rid of QQ and JJ pre and postflop without feeling like I might have tossed a winner...If someone could show me some proof over about 200K hands I might begin to believe it....it's really hard for me to believe that it is evidence of rigging when someone is talking about 2-5 buyins....I have lost 2-4 buy ins in a night only to come back and win 6-12....4 or 5 bad beats is nothing....
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poe2000ro on July 25, 2010
I have been playing Fulltilt Poker for over 4yrs. When you do anything long enough you can recognize a pattern. So, lets throw out the idea that everyone is a donk and don't know how to play. In my opinion, I think there is a timer for each tournament.
Each game only lasts a certain amount of time based on the amount of players that are in the tournament. Think about it....bandwidth costs money. It wouldn't be that hard to place a timer within the software to assure that games don't last too long. All the evidence is there. Next time your at table and see a really short stack all in, look at the strength of the all in hand compared to the call. The short stack can have AA and still will lose to some bs. And for those who think online poker is real poker, ask yourself this question.....Is there any burn cards in online poker?? It makes a ton of difference. Don't believe me, watch Luck You starring Eric Bana. Whether your a believer or not... We must all admit that there is a ton of blogs about online poker being rigged, and it would be biased to say that everyone is a donk or don't know how to play. Anytime numbers don't make sense, then there is a problem. You can have an up and down straight flush draw, but it won't hit nearly as much as a three outter(A10 vs KK or AK vs AJ). The ace is a golden card online. Although there are only 4 of them, the odds of one hitting the table is just a probable as the sun coming up next week. |
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So so so so gutted! Im in major pokersite limbo and so f***ed off with the whole damn industry that ive been so loyal to.
Pokerstars - BANNED Fulltilt - NO RAKEBACK Cerues - 3 SCANDALS Cake - CHEATS NOW HAVE HUD's Ipoker,Party - NO RAKEBACK + HIGHER RAKE Others - NO TRAFFIC Where the hell can I go, i know im being anul about rakeback but pokers gotten way too tough to ignore the amount raked at $0.5/1,$1/2 etc |
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I can't prove Fulltilt ISNT rigged and you can't prove it IS! So why the f*** have you created a site to support UIEGA that would quash American's freedom of choice to play poker online? Not that anyone but a fool would swallow that cretinous drivel you call a site.
Frankly, screw Fulltilt and Stars because one won't give me rakeback and the other closed my account for BS reasons but don't vent your anger at the online poker community's rights when it's these 2 sites that you're angry with. Reluctantly, I have to defend stars cos I turned $10-$10k there last year which wasn't a heater (had $6k downswing in middle) when only 2 years before I was on these threads swearing they were rigged. Ultimately it was my lack of knowledge at the high rake and IT WAS MY GAME THAT WAS THE PROBLEM! Now playing Ultimate bet and RedStarPoker(cake) and they freakin rule, same deals and cards as the other sites but with rakeback making all the difference. |
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Full Tilt is a great poker engine. It is nice to have the avatars and being able to change the avatar's emotions is a nice little additive in the program along with changing the background. One particular thing that is great on Full Tilt is the ability to rotate your seat at the table. Only downfall right now of the site is the lack of traffic in the mornings (currently there is 300 players online) which makes it difficult to find a game or fill a sit and go tournament. Pros play more often than you believe. Log on at night time and you are bound to see atleast one table occupied by a professional. The cards are fair and the play is very good. Beginners beware because most the players you encounter know what they are doing. Pros on the site that I've seen play or have played with include Andy Bloch, Phil Ivey, Clonie Gowen, Phil Gordon, Howard Lederer, Chris "Jesus" Ferguson, Rafe Furst, and John Juanda. They play at all different stakes, but typically about the $2/$4 range or higher. Hope this helps all of you and convinces you guys to download FTP.
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You're right, this is pointless, you dumbasses just bury your head in the sand and call me an affiliate every time |
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no1swimmer on October 31, 2009
Nah, we're on the same subject, but have different opinions on DECENT sample. According to your filter and the odds you've given for the situation to occur, the chances are:
5%(PP) x 24%(opponant s) x 11%(opp hit fl/drw) x 11%(you hit) = 1/5120 So in your 50k sample, you've only had this situation about 9 or 10 times. You have to agree with me that 10 coinflips is not on the same planet as a decent sample of trials. Event though your winrate should be near accurate, analyising certatin filters will still be premature. Regarding the comment that when you flop a monster and a flush card comes, they have it 100% seems to unfortunately point to your opponants playing very well ie they are folding to your strong flop raises unless they have a strong draw that will bust you if it hits. There's a reason they stayed in the pot with a slightly cripled flop and a flush draw board, they have to have you matched, beat, or implied odds to crack your hand, AND THEY KNOW THIS. Cash game players on todays toughest sites are like freaking robots, and from personal experience they always fekin have it. The pain in the arse is that playing this tight and nitty is probably near optimal play for a game with such big stacks and no blind increase. If you go to ipoker, you can flease those f***ers all day by crackin there PP's and TP's with simple turn and river manuevers, they always stick their head out! How do you thrash an opponant that only sticks his head out with the best hand, by painfully slow stealing/bluffing equity. There is no doubt that fekers as low as 12c/25c play tight, solid poker on Fulltilt and pokerstars. Bare with me on this point, you have a flopped monster and 2 flush cards are out. When you opponant has a draw and misses he'll fold, so you won't know what he had, however when he hits, you sure as hell know what he has when he shows you the best hand and takes down the pot. So to you, it makes perfect sense that it SEEMS like their flush gets there 100%, because in reality he folded the missed draw 80%. This is patient play from your opponants and it's hard to get equity even off trips in this situation , unless you can make the oober folds. This is why I gave up on cash games because the equity is so small when at these stakes on SNG's, they'll pay you off with middle pair on the river, so much better. |
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buck22 on October 19, 2009
Do any of you use HEM?????
How many times do I have to point out all you have to do is filter for hands ALL IN ON THE FLOP WHEN YOU HELD 60-69% EQUITY AND THEN READ AN WEEP WHEN YOU SEE THAT STRAIGHT DRAWS AND FLUSH DRAWS ARE MADE OVER 60% OF THE TIME!!!!! There is no debate, the stats are there for anyone using HEM...the site uses bots, players will check shove a flush draw and make hideously bad plays but these bots or house players or whatever they are will hit draws at 60%+ of the time. I've ran similar filters for Pokerstars, Ladbrokes, Pacific,Everest, I-Poker Network and my hands in these situations all run to within 10% of expectation, which any statistician will say is within a reasonable range given my hand sample sizes. Also, I filtered for raised PF, flopped two pair, trips or a set...now this filter was the jackpot evidence I personally needed because my win rate in these spots on all my other sites (6 sites all with 100,000+ samples) are +1,300bb/100 or more. Now on FTP, that number drops to 650bb/100...so basically, that tells me, when I raise pre flop on FTP, say with 99, and the flop comes 927, I actually win half as much in comparison to 6 other sites...now anyone with any ounce of intelligence can see how significant that is because it has nothing to do with player skill- when you flop a set, it is hard to play it wrong- you just bet and keep betting if called. So, I was intrigued as to how this happens on FTP and then when you look at the hand histories where money was lost in these spots, it just becomes so blatantly obvious the site is rigged for action. Pretty much, when you flop a big hand on FTP, your opponent will flop a draw or have some crazy hand in store to beat you on a later street at a rate just way more than is possible through standard variance, it is set up people- so you c-bet KK on KQ8, opponent calls with J9, turn comes the Ten and there is just no way you are folding. But almost everytime, you flop a set, opponent turns the flush, you flop two pair, opponent turns a set, it is actually laugh out loud material when you look at the hand histories because it confirms what I have always felt- that they put you with big hands on the flop only to have the opponent make a bigger hand way more often than they should on a later street- it means more big pots and the very logic of it means good solid play is punished because you flop a big hand and then get outdrawn whilst the bad players will call and hit and stack the good players more often- it works great for FTP because good players will raise pre flop and bet good hands, bad players will flop a gut shot and CALL and hit and= a lot of action hands. I actually think anyone who plays FTP over a big sample and doesn't see the manipulation just really doesn't have any idea but randomness because it just doesn't happen like that in real life. If I run the same filters for any of the other sites, I see hands where I raise TT, flop comes T75, opponent with Q5o calls the flop, turn = 5 and his trips get punished because he is playing a DOMINATED hand...those types of hands just don't happen on FTP, on FTP he'd hold 69o and the turn would come an 8 for the UNLIKELY to give credit for straight. THE STATS ARE THERE FOR ANYONE WITH A BIG SAMPLE ON FTP AND THEY OWN HEM, USE MY FILTERS AND JUST LOOK AT THE BS THESE GUYS COME UP WITH... |
greencaravan on October 19, 2009
Logic???
You claim to have a significant sample. I would bet my life that your sample isn't even a 10,000th of a percent of FTP's total hands dealt. That means you have NO KNOWLEDGE of 99.9999% of the total hands on FTP. Do you really think its logical to claim to know something is rigged when you have no knowledge of 99.9999% of the total hands dealt there. Do you think there are no players on FTP that have been drawn out on LESS than they should have? You talk about logic and proof. All you can logically prove is that you have been drawn out on more than you should have been on FTP. Thats all you can prove. I'm not even saying you are wrong, I'm just saying you don't have sufficient evidence to make even an educated guess, much less to claim proof. BTW there is a very very good reason no one has "brought this to light". If someone tried to take some sort of legal action against FTP, claiming to have proof its rigged, because they were drawn out on more than they should have been based on a hand sample of less than .00001% of FTP's total hands, that person would be counter sued and FTP would take everything they have. You can't legally claim to have proof of something when, in fact, you have no way of proving anything. If you are so sure you are right and your proof is logical, why don't you try bringing it to light? Billy Tk, I totally agree with your post. It sums up my position perfectly. That IS the problem. That is why I don't claim to know whether or not FTP is rigged and have stated that none of us do and all we can do is trust our info and instincts to decide whether or not its a good place for us to play. I've always opposed people who claim its rigged. Not because I know its not, but because I do know that they don't have enough info to make any sort of educated guess on the matter. |
greencaravan on October 19, 2009
I'm sorry, stats are stats, doesn't matter if they are mine, yours, the Pope's, it doesn't matter.
I have a significant sample of hands that show a ridiculous increase in percentages of flushes and straights whenever the PFR flops two pair, trips or a set...that just so happen to coincide with a flush being made on the turn or river when PFR has flopped top set etc...it happens too much. It is not coincidence, just no, I try for two seconds to conceede this and agree with you but I just cannot do it because logic SHOULD prevail. All it takes is some logic and common sense. Surely someone else here has HEM for FFS? People are quick enough to defend this site but I am offering filters to prove it is rigged and no one has HEM or has the nounce to even run the filters and see it with their own eyes. I can't believe no one has run these filters before and brought them to light. |
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Where you misdirect is that no one on this post has stated that "they are a good poker player so therefore there opinion that on-line is rigged is more valid." They/we merely describe our HH, experience with the on-line sites, etc. etc. One poster - you - opine that the riggers opinion is invalid because they are bad players. The fact of the matter is one's skill level is irrevelant in this debate.
Sorry about your bad run. That being said - what is the challenge - i.e., what are the stakes, structure, etc. I am interested |
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You are right about the AAvKK thing but thats kind of my point. The day you see the bubble burst in an MTT and the average BB/stack is like 70 (like it would be in situations not even as extreme as the AA KK thing)then it might seem to me like they are setting up too many coolers. But in reality you basically never see that, I literally never have one time playing internet poker. So in an extreme situation they could set up enough action hand coolers to make a tournament end prematurely before the blinds dictate but the fact remains, when do you ever see that? Every single poker tournament I have ever played in has progressed based on the levels of the blinds. Thats not to say its impossible for a tourney to be so set up that it ends prematurely I'm just saying I have never seen it on any site or live, ever.
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Denethor on June 19, 2009
I can't argue with any of the math, but it only seems to make sense that a tournament would be over a lot quicker if every hand at every table featured AA vs KK every time, for example. In that tournament, I don't see the blinds ever being a factor unless players were (or became) aware of the situation. A ninety player tournament would be over in no more than ninety hands - all of which would go very quickly because they would most likely be all-in pre-flop. Low buy-in tournaments would be over even quicker since so many players have a tendency to go all-in with just about anything. Obviously that whole example is completely over-the-top (some may not think so), but it is for illustrative purposes only.
One other issue that would come into player is the personality of the individual being knocked out prematurely by the "action hand". I suppose a lot of people would want to get right back in another tournament. I personally would be less likely to contribute more buy-ins after something like that. If I'm knocked out with some insane lucky draw or something, I normally just want to get away from it for a while rather than play another one right away. So even if hands were being orchestrated to eliminate players more quickly, it would have the potential to backfire since some of those people (like me) would undoubtedly be frustrated enough to just walk away rather than immediately buy in to another tournament. |
VA Poker on June 19, 2009
Blinds are still the greatest factor in determining tournament lengths. An action hand might eliminate some players early but it doesn't really matter. Look at any MTT past level 8, by then the blinds are so high in comparison to the average stack the money is getting in with or without action hands. The other thing to think about it this; lets say not one person gets coolered in a big action hand the first 2 hours of the tournament. The only thing that would change is that the average stack would be 10BB instead of 20BB. So you could have 100 guys with an average stack of 20BB or 200 guys with an average stack of 10BB. Would that tournament play out all that differently? You can take in even farther and say that if no one got eliminated in the first 2 hours it still wouldnt really matter. Because then the average stack would be 4BB's instead of 20, even though there might be 500 guys instead of 100 that tourney is still ending at roughly the same time. Basically if there were no coolers early on the stack sizes would be so small in comparison to the BB by the third hour you would have 2 players all in on every table every hand. Would those tournaments really last any longer?
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Denethor on June 19, 2009
It would seem like speeding up the levels would be the easiest way to increase the number of buy-ins. I think FTP already has the levels at only six minutes in a lot of the tournaments and even less in the turbos.
I still think the "action hands" would have potential to speed things along more than just the blind levels, though. I don't ever remember having to worry about blinding out on FTP - even with the accelerated levels. I never lasted that long, and I don't think my play was looser on FTP. I guess probably the best way to summarize the logic is that the "action hands" would prevent tight players from causing the tournaments to drag on. A player who might protect his chips for hours with small pots and blind stealing could be eliminated instantly. |
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Denethor, I see what you are saying about moving tournaments along faster with action hands but to me it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Tournaments reach their conclusions in the time frame they do based on blinds. If the blinds are so high that the chip leader has 25BB and the average is 8BB then you are getting all ins every hand whether or not its AAvKK. Look at the tournaments you play, most of them probably reach the money and the conclusion at pretty much the exact same time every time. I know when I play MTT's with a 3k starting stack the money is almost always reached at the last half of the 10th level. So either every single tournament I play in has the same exact type of hands being given out or the levels of the blinds dictate when players bust. So if they wanted to make people bust faster and start more tourneys, changing to a 10 min level format from a 15 min format would be alot more effective than just giving out action hands.
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Denethor on June 18, 2009
VA Poker
WHY? because almost certainly, the same flawed RNG is used whether it's a $1 tournament or low level cash games. I figured that was obvious to all. |
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You just claimed the hands were pre programmed to create more rake. You were playing in a one dollar tournament that might not even have a rake (I know some of those big micro tourneys dont have rakes sometimes). So either they got 10 cents from every player or nothing from every player. Either way, if you could please please explain to me how you losing that hand creates more rake for the site. You don't need to call me names or anything just please explain to me why you losing that hand made FTP any more rake? Or if any of the other people who swear its rigged know the answer, feel free to enlighten me.
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Denethor on June 18, 2009
so I play my bi-monthly $1 tournament on Full Rigged.
3rd hand -- dealt KK in late pos - raise 4xBB and get 3 callers. Flop comes 235 rainbow Player to my right goes AI, and I decide to call. Third player in pot also goes All In Sure enough, full rigged tilt does it again. #1 has 105. I have pp Ks and #3 has FLOPPED A STRAIGHT. She called my PF raise with A4 o/s Of course this is just the nature of poker. Isn't that what all the suckers and excuse-niks say about Full Rigged Tilt non-legitimate poker dealing. No way - these hands are pre-programmed. It creates more rake. the same flawed RNG is used in a $1 tournament I suspect as in some cash games on Full Rigged. |
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I was very glad to read the posts here cause I thought I was losing my mind. Im on FT for a week and Im up $1200 playing low stakes games. So I cash out and keep $500 for a bankroll. Then complete craziness happens, Im a very patient player and careful as I know about the nuts online but I am shocked at how my all ins that are beat everytime even though I m way ahead. Of course I understand bad beats happen but everytime. The weird thing is its always a 10 LOL. Its so funny I just laugh cause I know its coming. Im going to play out my bankroll and never go back again at least Ill have made some money. Another funny story Im brand new at poker back in 04 never played didnt have a clue what I was doing. Put $20 in for a bankroll after playing with playmoney. So its my second tourney $1.00 entry something like 5000 players and Im very loose and inexperienced I mean Calling huge raises with any paint J5 off won me a huge pot against aa and kk. So I end up winning $800 finishing second. So now Im thinking hey if I read some books and applied myself I could perhaps do ok at this. So I read a few books and practice at low limit for hours and hours and do pretty good. So I cash out 2k and go on holidays. Ive read the theories about cashing and then going on losing streaks but thought oh they just got greedy and misused their bankroll. So I get back from holidays and the insanity kicks in. Again I cannot win no matter how far ahead I am in my all ins, it happens everytime, so I contact support and say "How is this possible?".(this is stars bye the way). Supports very prompt and good their, and they admit yes you have had some brutal beats but it happens. Im like yeah it happens but when it happens 30 40 times theirs something wrong. (Im not kidding here). Im talking being ahead post flop and getting sucked out on the turn or river to guys ranked in the bottom %10 usually. Any ways I left poker stars for good. I play in casinos and do well and have been very successful in Vegas so I figured somethings up there and couldnt take the frustration. But I missed playing poker at home and recently injured my back so Im stuck at home and thought Id give full tilt a whirl and well you know. My question for you guys is Is their a poker site where you dont get clobbered by suck outs? Please no comments on black helicopters or being a bad poker player I just want an honest site to play on. Thanks Dan |
Danimal2000 on June 10, 2009
Buck22,
I used to prefer live to online until I started multi tabling and realized you can make alot more money playing online. |
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Cransley...
For me it's not fun playing on a non-random and skewed RNG site where, anecdotally, there seem to be far too many unusual hands. This has nothing to do with AA v. Ak or A5 v 56, etc.or whether Qs hold up. Rather, what bothers me is when I fold a hand that mnany other more aggressive or newer players would not (i.e .make a good fold) and I see the hand unfold with what is almost certainly a SET-UP deal such that more players have to see the flop, turn, and river, unless they are psyhics, which of course is not playing poker... and then some miraculus card is dealt that had a 10% chance. this happens all the Fking time. Not poker. |
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eldave, I understand what you are saying and i can clearly see that you are not alone. However, in my opinion a lot of those things you are saying can be explained. There is so much bad play online that many bad beats are bound to happen and when you run really bad you run way worse than you ever will during live games, Ive been there too. I just think the only difference between internet play and live play is the way people play and solid players tend to remember the terrible beats and forget the many many times a horrible play throws you all his chips. As far as the cashout thing goes in my opinion its psychological. Lets say you play 1/2 cash games and you have 1000 in you account and decide to take 500 out. All of the sudden you only have 250 big blinds and you start to play scared because no one wants to bust. Like you said nobody knows for sure and I don't think we will ever be in agreement unless proof comes out one way or another. I just hope you and the other guys who are sure it is rigged will atleast think about what I said, I'm sure I won't convert any of you but its just something to think about.
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And just as a follow-up. - this is exactly what I am talking about. There is one player to go from the bubble. Dama1 calls the preflop raise with QJ, out of position - flop misses him entirely so of course he pushes all in out of position. And of course he wins on the winner as a 94% DOG.
I go out on bubble. Yep - this of course happens. However - the problem is that on FT it happens ALL THE TIME. The inexplicable play follwed by the inevitable reward. *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to eldave1 [Jc Js] rjf2427 folds Paolello folds eldave1 raises to 3,000 PoketAAK folds sHoA folds 9er_CHECK folds dama1 calls 2,500 CutUrHeadOff has 15 seconds left to act CutUrHeadOff folds *** FLOP *** [3h 7c 5d] dama1 bets 8,000 eldave1 calls 7,389, and is all in dama1 shows [Jd Qd] eldave1 shows [Jc Js] Uncalled bet of 611 returned to dama1 *** TURN *** [3h 7c 5d] [Tc] *** RIVER *** [3h 7c 5d Tc] [Qs] dama1 shows a pair of Queens eldave1 shows a pair of Jacks dama1 wins the pot (22,778) with a pair of Queens *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 22,778 | Rake 0 Board: [3h 7c 5d Tc Qs] Seat 1: eldave1 showed [Jc Js] and lost with a pair of Jacks Seat 2: PoketAAK folded before the Flop Seat 3: sHoA folded before the Flop Seat 4: 9er_CHECK (button) folded before the Flop Seat 5: dama1 (small blind) showed [Jd Qd] and won (22,778) with a pair of Queens Seat 7: CutUrHeadOff (big blind) folded before the Flop Seat 8: rjf2427 folded before the Flop Seat 9: Paolello folded before the Flop |
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I Blame myself - I went one more time. I am so stupid -guy caught runner runner 10 10 to win. This was the third straight time I went out of a tourney as a 98% fav after the flop. As a note - I got short stacked in this tourney after being the chip leader by having AK suited beaten by 4-2 off suit - flop A, K 4 - I shove and the foker calls with 4-2 and hits 4 on turn. A few hands later I am out with the hand below (ps - another 14 percent ROI fella)
To the "non-riggers" of the world who would offer suggestions on how to play hands differently. Don't - BECAUSE - it don't foking matter. If I play AA as all ins - cracked. If I bet 5 times the BB - cracked - slowplay - cracked. If I play suited connectors -I'll hit the straight to be beat by the river flush (and almost always runner runner). If I play ABC poker (just the top ten hands) I will lose 80% of them. The last 30 tourneys that I got busted on FT I was the fav - foking 30!!!!!!. And yes - you can just call out the cards like you are the amazing preston. Oh - he has 8 4 off suit and you flop a set of fives, Call it with me - turn 6 river 7 - see ya - would not want to be ya. ================================================= Full Tilt Poker Game #10835682002: $8 + $0.80 Tournament (81547731), Table 6 - 300/600 Ante 75 - No Limit Hold'em - 12:18:39 ET - 2009/02/25 Seat 1: orla (26,179) Seat 2: rocky556 (21,089) Seat 3: eldave1 (3,645) Seat 4: Lakshmi78 (10,583) Seat 5: booker_tg (23,656) Seat 6: coconacueca (11,060) Seat 7: blondie lau (21,907) Seat 8: poart (10,164) orla antes 75 rocky556 antes 75 eldave1 antes 75 Lakshmi78 antes 75 booker_tg antes 75 coconacueca antes 75 blondie lau antes 75 poart antes 75 rocky556 posts the small blind of 300 eldave1 posts the big blind of 600 The button is in seat #1 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to eldave1 [Ah 6h] Lakshmi78 folds booker_tg folds coconacueca folds blondie lau folds poart folds orla folds rocky556 raises to 2,400 eldave1 raises to 3,570, and is all in rocky556 calls 1,170 eldave1 shows [Ah 6h] rocky556 shows [Th Jh] *** FLOP *** [6d 6c Kh] *** TURN *** [6d 6c Kh] [Ts] *** RIVER *** [6d 6c Kh Ts] [Td] eldave1 shows a full house, Sixes full of Tens rocky556 shows a full house, Tens full of Sixes rocky556 wins the pot (7,740) with a full house, Tens full of Sixes eldave1 stands up *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 7,740 | Rake 0 Board: [6d 6c Kh Ts Td] Seat 1: orla (button) folded before the Flop Seat 2: rocky556 (small blind) showed [Th Jh] and won (7,740) with a full house, Tens full of Sixes Seat 3: eldave1 (big blind) showed [Ah 6h] and lost with a full house, Sixes full of Tens Seat 4: Lakshmi78 folded before the Flop Seat 5: booker_tg folded before the Flop Seat 6: coconacueca folded before the Flop Seat 7: blondie lau folded before the Flop Seat 8: poart folded before the Flop |
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Here's another one, granted this is a freeroll tournament but here's ANOTHER FUCKING EXAMPLE OF HOW AN INCREDIBLY HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE FAVORITE LOSES ON THE RIVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
***** Hand history (v1.2) ***** Hand ID 139158814 $0 + $0 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - 14:02:00 01/07/2008 ET Table 'Table 1324859', 10 seats max, Real money Seat 8 is the button. Small Blind $10, Big Blind $20 Note: seat IDs range from 1 to 10 Seat 1 (playing) : itsascam, amount $1500, amount bet $0, penalty (None) Seat 2 (playing) : paulwilson_68, amount $1500, amount bet $0, penalty (None) Seat 3 (playing) : HeartsJack, amount $1500, amount bet $0, penalty (None) Seat 4 (playing) : lucassoulet, amount $1500, amount bet $0, penalty (None) Seat 5 (playing) : v_arnold, amount $1500, amount bet $0, penalty (None) Seat 6 (playing) : RigWPXmyway, amount $1500, amount bet $0, penalty (None) Seat 7 (playing) : seminol, amount $1500, amount bet $0, penalty (None) Seat 8 (playing) : shazzer_ok, amount $1500, amount bet $0, penalty (None) Seat 9 (playing) : iualex, amount $1500, amount bet $0, penalty (None) iualex: Small Blind ($10) itsascam: Big Blind ($20) ** Dealing Down Cards ** Dealt to RigWPXmyway: [8d, 6d] paulwilson_68: Fold HeartsJack: Fold lucassoulet: Call ($20) v_arnold: Fold RigWPXmyway: Call ($20) seminol: Fold shazzer_ok: Fold iualex: Call ($10) itsascam: Check ($0) ** Dealing Flop ** Community cards: [7h, Tc, 4h] iualex: Bet ($20) itsascam: Fold lucassoulet: Call ($20) RigWPXmyway: Call ($20) ** Dealing Turn ** Community cards: [9c] iualex: Bet ($20) lucassoulet: Call ($20) RigWPXmyway: Raise ($300) iualex: Fold lucassoulet: Call ($280) ** Dealing River ** Community cards: [2c] lucassoulet: Check ($0) RigWPXmyway: Bet ($500) lucassoulet: Raise ($1160) RigWPXmyway: Call ($660) ** End Round ** ** Evaluate ** lucassoulet: Show Cards ($0) RigWPXmyway: Show Cards ($0) ** Showdown ** Main pot $3080, Rake $0 Summary lucassoulet: bet $1500, won $3080, net $1580, HoleCards [Kc, 7c], HiHand [a flush, king high] [Kc, Tc, 9c, 7c, 2c], won $3080 from main pot Summary RigWPXmyway: bet $1500, won $0, net $-1500 Of course the asshole would hit the flush, At least that time I was only 81% to win instead of 93% Have you ever seen anyone so "unlucky" in your life? By the way, that was the 1st hand in the next tournament after my bad beat in the last one |
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KKK777 "Moved to ring game - play ace 10 - flop is A J 10 you know the other guy has A J which needless to say he did. What are the odds of 2 people holding an ace and one hitting the flop - 12%? On FTP - Is 99%">>>>>>>>> this is exactly the kind of pre-programmed rigged hand that I am referring to that occurs over and over again on full rigged tilt bingo. You said it right! What are the odds of ONE player hitting 2p on the flop much less two players hitting?????!!! F-rigged-T sets it up so that any card on the flop ALMOST ALWAYS helps someone who is in the hand. Rarely do you see a flop (like with a real 52 card deck) that doesn't set up 2 or more players for a showdown that thereby increase the rakes!
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mrkromer on July 2, 2008
I decided to give the cash tables a go on Full Tilt thinking that maybe the dynamics behind the (RNG) might be different.
In fact, it seemed worse! I played for about half an hour in a $1-$2 limit game. I started off with phenomenal hands. I got AA fllowed by KK and then my pair of twos in the hole turned into quads and I hit a set of fours. Unfortunately, I didn't get paid off much so I doubled up. Right after I doubled up I got bad beat after bad beat. Things like hitting top pair with AK but beaten by a set of 4s on a flop of A42. It happened three hands in a row and I lost the lot. At the same time I've played cash limit and no limit on other sites and haven't observed the same level of irregularity. If FT has taught me anything, it is to fold a great deal of hands, even top pair when someone is betting strongly. |
mrkromer on July 2, 2008
You think stakes matter? LOL! Watch a couple of vidoes by Tuff_Fish. A guy that played at 10-20NL tables on Party Poker. Watch him check raise people $300-$400 only to see them suck out on the river.
The stakes shouldn't matter. The odds and probabilty of EVERY hand include going to the river. $1 or $1000 AA should hold up against AK 87% of the time. KK should beat JJ 80% of the time and so on, and so forth. I've played higher levels, same bullshit happens up there, I've watched higher levels than I can afford to play (like 600NL) and see the SAME THING! All higher stakes mean is that people can afford to play at those levels, doesn't have anything to do with their poker skill. |
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bad_dog76 on July 1, 2008
Mad_dog I respect your knowledge but its that type of thinking and wording that gives people a false perspective of the game:
Your words example - I just played in a tournament. I have AQ in the cutoff blinds are 100/200., I have 2850 in chips I raise to 600. Guy to my immediate left goes all in for 2770. I call (putting him on 1010 or JJ) I call. He has 10 10 (ok it's a coin flip) Flop AQK now, before the turn and the river are dealt, I predict a Jack on the river. What do you think the river is? Exactly! Here you made a marginal call with the WORST hand. Your opponent held the BEST or BETTER hand and in the end his BETTER hand held up, so when you say the best hand NEVER holds up you are not stating the facts. Flip the situation and if you had of won (with the worst hand) this hand we wouldnt even have been reading about it here. I guarantee it, but thats what im saying: like online_suckas! stated (basically) you got to know when to FOLD em and when to HOLDEM. Thats the game my friend and fellow poker player. If the cards are going cold and you recognize things not going right leave the game at first moments notice. This takes time and discipline, but I GUARANTEE doing this paired with making the right decisions will have you making MORE $$$ than you will LOSE, leaving you positive MORE times than NEGATIVE a HIGHER %%% of the time. Good luck at the tables my friend. |
bad_dog76 on July 1, 2008
kkk777 on July 1, 2008
I've just started observing some hands today. Now granted, this is an extremely small sample size, but the last 8 showdowns pre-flop I saw are as follows; (this is on WSEX's poker site)
88 vs Q6 - 88 wins A10d vs JJ - A10 wins AQd vs KK - AQ wins with river diamond AQ vs KK - AQ wins AK vs 99 - AK wins QQ vs 99 -QQ wins AA vs K10c - K10 wins, board goes like this flop K810 Turn 8 River 10 AK vs AQh - AQ wins board goes this way flop Ks 7h Kd, turn 8h, river jh now why is it that, with the exception of AK vs 99 (in which 99 is 56% favorite) EVERY hand the favorite is, at least 72% to win, yet 6 out of 8 dogs won? Shoudln't the odds point the other way? Why the hell would ANYONE want to play online garbage when the best hand NEVER holds up like it should. |
PokerGods on June 30, 2008
PokerGods i find it interesting that you have taken the time to personally respond and refute every reaction we all had to your first post. What i find even more unusual is your offer:"""""Give yourself about 3 months of playing this way and if you have a positive ROI and Positive earnings I will deposit $50 into your fulltilt account and if your outcome is negative I want nothing more than you to stop complaining about something you can do nothing about. You can only control yourself and your game. (Proof of sessions and play would be supervised by me or any other full tilt player of my choice). """"". The question im sure all of us are wondering is why are you defending the site to the point where you are putting up your own money to 'prove' its not rigged? I feel that if u didnt have a vested interest (employee, consultant, whatever) in FTP and you genuinely believed what all of us is saying is wrong you would maybe read a few posts roll your eyes laugh to yourself or whatever, not spend what im sure took a lot of time personally and passionately responding to the posts and offering up your hard earned???
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PokerGods on June 30, 2008
nitemare6 on June 30, 2008
Look man, I'll say right off if you're a hot-shot poker player who makes thousands at FTP then I apologize if I offended you. I was simply stating the fact that someone claiming to be so on an online message board doesn't necessarily make it true. As for the lying donk I used as an example, it is true what you say about cash games/STTs, but he was making claims that should have been reflected on those sites. When confronted with this, he feigned ignorance. Plus the fact he played like a retard was a giveaway. This is why several of us checked the stats in the first place.
I'm not a losing player. You don't have to believe that, but it's true. The only place where it is true is on FTP. And that was not the case until they flipped the switch. I was ranked 90%+ on officialpokerrankings.com from the time I started on FTP until the floor gave way in the most unreal fashion. Pokerstars gave me $5 free as a promotion. That's now up to $50 and I'll be moving up limits as soon as my bankroll is comfortable enough to do so. Hell would freeze over before a -EV player would be able to accomplish that. I'm not a rich person - I can't drop $1000 into an online site and go hogwild. I'm merely a PhD student who, incidentally, has published several papers on - you guessed it - statistics. I don't like to throw credentials around because I believe facts should speak for themselves, but I'm not going to get dismissed as some crank. Anyway, that's why I like poker, because I like game theory and statistics - and I'm good at it and I like to exercise my knowledge with poker. It's not about the money for me. And I'm sorry, sir, the shit I saw on FTP was simply not right. If it's working out for you then great - (maybe you contribute enough rake to make it unprofitable for FTP to burn you) - but there's more than a few of us that are taking it up the ass, ostensibly to pad FTP's bottom line. |
PokerGods on June 30, 2008
nitemare6 on June 30, 2008
bad_dog76 on June 30, 2008
online_suckas! on June 30, 2008
but poker gods - you didnt answer my point about the odds after we tracked 1000 hands
I am happy you have degrees. Mom must be proud |
PokerGods on June 30, 2008
online_suckas! on June 30, 2008
PokerGods
"June 29, 2008 We can converse when you learn how to type full sentences: example: you are either work for Full RIGGED Tilt. And also when you learn how to spell example: beleive???? I before E smarty and you are questioning my IQ. If you cant complete sentences or spell it really makes it hard for me to believe that you could even comprehend the game of poker. Better luck next time, I have no reply for you. My diagnosis: hooked on phonics before poker, forums, and dating :D" Listen a-wipe!!I have a series 7 license and a law degree from Yale; I have traded options professionally for 11 years registered with an options exchange! So...... what I FORGOT about statisitics and probability and math is MORE THAN YOU KNOW or will probably ever know! Got it!!!! Now like I said....... you either work for the Full RIGGED Tilt joker poker site or your poker IQ is less than 90! Which is it?? And by the way while we are on the subject, what are YOUR credentials to defend a site that is CLEARLY rigged and ON-RANDOM according to many smart and experienced players?? I have played poker for almost 20 yeas and this site is a TOTAL JOKE! It has NOTHING to do with my play or anyone's play that is on this forum. Full RIGGED Tilt is a rigged poker site with programmed hands that are set up to defy and defeat the natural probabilities that most of us have seen and expect in LIVE GAMES and with true poker. It has nothing to do with more hands per hour (as I commented on and explained in detail in previous posts). The site is a total joke like most online poker sites. So genius don't confuse typing ability (or lack thereof) and "typos" with intellgience....... you f-uped retard!! |
PokerGods on June 30, 2008
Hell, just this past Saturday, at friends house, my AA was cracked by 34, when he flopped trips. Did I complain? I know that can happen. However, that was the ONLY time all night in which my 7:1 preflop hand lost, and there were, at least, a dozen times in which I had an over pair to 2 under cards>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>this is EXACTLY the point bad_dog! It is not THAT BAD BEATS HAPPEN>>>> it is that they happen over and over and over on Full Rigged Tilt. In fact good and strong hands (starting and/or after flop improves them) which then haave powerful odds in favor of HOLDING UP.............. WAY TOO OFTEN lose on this scam site!
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bad_dog76 on June 30, 2008
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nitemare6 on June 30, 2008
Yes, I do understand people being skeptical. I have seen these same senarios occur in brick & mortar casinos, WPT tournaments, and the World Series of Poker. If you think im lying check out how last years main event winner jerry yang could do no wrong @ the final table. This was REAL life, not a program, not a simulation, just real players that were playing with real cards & a real dealer. Those episodes of the WSOP still play on ESPN. Check em out, the same things the players here are posting about occur in real life situations and since we dont follow each pro to every cash game and tourney he/she plays we can only account for what we see on TV, but believe me everyone has their share of bad beats and bad luck. I feel you bad_dog, but impobabilities can be found in live casino play and online play and it would be impossible for one person or a group of people to say that they occur more in one realm than the other. They might occur more for that one person or that one group but that is hardly the MAJORITY.
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bad_dog76 on June 30, 2008
This is a bad example. I dont think you can blame this on online poker. Basically, you are telling me that if me and you were playing heads up and I went all in and showed you that I was holding any mid to big pair 10's to Q's before you made the call, you would still call knowing that you were beatin already? Bad_dog that makes no sense if you knew he had 10's or J's you shouldnt have called, that was a bad decision on your part because AQ isnt a paired hand the only way you would win is by pairing one of your cards which puts you in a race situation for ALL of your chips while you still had enough chips to last atleast 9.5 times (2850/300) around the table without being blinded out. Why not wait for a better spot to put ALL of your money in. He raised you ALL IN telling you that his hand was better and it was. Calling off ALL of your chips w/ AQ is a bad move pre-flop unless. A) you have your opponent out chipped by atleast 3 to 1 or 9000(you) and 3000(him) atleast here if you just want to gamble/race you can AFFORD too. There are some other reasons I wont discuss, but you being beat here was your fault. The best hand pre-flop held up. A senario in which most people complain about NOT happening the most. Most people feel as if the BEST hand pre-flop should ALWAYS win the pot like AA vs. K 10 offsuit, but we all know that this doesnt happen all of the time. Its not the sites fault because you made a bad move. A pair of 10's is clearly better than AQ, you gambled and lost (like you should have). This is an example were you need to go back and analyze your play and make corrections.
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simo1981 on June 30, 2008
Ok genius, did you know that online ranking sites DONT take cash games into consideration when ranking a player. So how do you rank players that play strictly ring games? If you play 50 ring game sessions and 2 tournaments a month even if you are Phil Ivey you ARE NOT going to win the 2 monthly tournaments that you play 100% of the time or even 70% of the time consistantly. So genius if player doesnt concentrate on tournaments with buy ins $2 or up and with atleast 18 players or more their player rankings WILL NOT BE ACCURATE. Check the records before you open your mouth. O and online poker sites date back to 5 years or more, when will the CONSPIRACY be uncovered? Or better yet if you have so many problems with online poker sites why play online, just shut up and stop playing. But if you dont play online poker then why are you here complaining about it. My guess is that you are a losing player/hypocrite that needs to vent. :D :)
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2HighIsTheNutz on June 30, 2008
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nitemare6 on June 29, 2008
PokerGods you are either work for Full RIGGED Tilt or you have a poker IQ under 75 and/or just began playing last month! Which is it?!! FUll Tilt joker poker is a garbage site that has benefited from the popularity of poker and is probably crooked as they come. Look at what we are finding out slowly but surely about UltimatBet, Absolute Poker etc. etc. ALL of these online poker sites are scams, adn are cheating in sundry ways!! It is so easy to steal people's monies online and there are enough suckers/gamblers to allow that to happen. F-R-T's business model is to create renadom reinforcement when you first join to suck you in and make you beleive that somehow skill or more experience will prevail. That is a total joke; this site is so non-random and "rigged" that it stinks! I will never play for cash there again... ever!
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nitemare6 on June 29, 2008
I have just recently been reading articles on very long thread about people thinking Pokerstars is rigged. If you do a search for 'online poker rigged' you will come across it on the first search page.
That contingent of people are quite adamant and passionate about their feelings and their stories are as atrocious as the ones on this site. Their financial losses are harrowing. One guy claims to have lost $127,000 over a stellar run of bad beats over a 6 months period after having made about $100,000 on another site before joing pokerstars. Anyone have an opinion about the notion that all the poker sites are designed in much the same way and none are random? I have noticed a lesser, but still manifest, pattern or cycle of win-some-lose-big-and-long on another site I started to frequent after I got sick of the FT curse. It was partly to see how my fortune might vary and if indeed it would vary at all. I was winning sit'n'go's and made a nice little profit,. For a time I was sure that my suspicions about FT were confirmed because of the uneven results between FT and this other site. After doing nicely over 6 SNgs it all started to suddenly go wrong. I have been losing to awful bad beats in a regular fashion. AA became a death hand, I got long dour runs of unplayable cards, people would suck out on me, etc etc. It isn't as obvious as Full Tilt but it is happening. On one particular night I got dealt AA three seperate times and lost all my chips each time to obviously poorer hands. Maybe the culprit is not just Full Tilt but online gaming in totality. Has anyone played consistently over time on a site which hasn't exhibited this particular manifest cycling tendency of bad luck and bad beats? Is there a site that seems to play fair and random cards all the time? |
PokerGods on June 29, 2008
PokerGods on June 29, 2008
Here's a GREAT example of how PREDICTABLE online poker is.
I just played in a tournament. I have AQ in the cutoff blinds are 100/200., I have 2850 in chips I raise to 600. Guy to my immediate left goes all in for 2770. I call (putting him on 1010 or JJ) I call. He has 10 10 (ok it's a coin flip) Flop AQK now, before the turn and the river are dealt, I predict a Jack on the river. What do you think the river is? Exactly! |
PokerGods on June 29, 2008
Hey PokerGods. I agree that poker is random. However, online poker, is anything BUT, random.
People who defend all the odd beats and odd happenings that go on, will always say things like "Oh you're just a loser" or "You have to learn how to adjust your play" or "You see many more hands online than live" etc etc etc. The thing everyone gets upset about is the amount of times they get beat, when the odds would state otherwise. While I don't play on Full Tilt, I have played on many online poker sites and they're all the same. Many flops with JQK (suited) or AKA etc etc. I can't count how many times I've been all-in, preflop with a hand like AK against A10, and I lose to a 10 on the flop. Although I'm a 3-1 favorite it seems like I lose, at least, 50% of the time. 99 vs 77 someone will hit a 7 or a straight with runner, runner. It's all of these statistical improbabilities, that happen online that have people skeptical of what's going on. |
PokerGods on June 29, 2008
There's lots of self-described "profitable" players out there folks. I don't take anyone's claims at face value anymore. Just yesterday on Stars there was some guy at the table going on and on about how he was making $1500-2000/mo., poker was his job, etc. A couple of us at the table checked out his online ranking at several different sites and he was a complete fish (<0% ROI, bottom 15% player). People are weird.
This shit we're all talking about will get exposed eventually. Those of you still willingly taking it up the ass should chat with the strong players at their next table. See what they say... |
PokerGods on June 29, 2008
PokerGods
you are either work for Full RIGGED Tilt or you have a poker IQ under 75 and/or just began playing last month! Which is it?!! FUll Tilt joker poker is a garbage site that has benefited from the popularity of poker and is probably crooked as they come. Look at what we are finding out slowly but surely about UltimatBet, Absolute Poker etc. etc. ALL of these online poker sites are scams, adn are cheating in sundry ways!! It is so easy to steal people's monies online and there are enough suckers/gamblers to allow that to happen. F-R-T's business model is to create renadom reinforcement when you first join to suck you in and make you beleive that somehow skill or more experience will prevail. That is a total joke; this site is so non-random and "rigged" that it stinks! I will never play for cash there again... ever! |
PokerGods on June 29, 2008
Pokergods, trust me i know how to adapt to players and to this ftp machine. I'm playing very tight and im making money there now but it's so damn slow and takes a lot of patience, and sometimes you have to trust that machine won't kill you. Finished last night with KsKd, i raise 5bb everyone folds except one guy who reraise. Ok, he's good, let's try to take him out, i just call. Flop 2s2c4c. I raise, he re-raises i call. Me hoping that he's not one of the players who firmly believes in A4 or even worse A2. Turn 4h, i raise he reraise... Noting suspicious except for the previously mentioned scenarios or possible AA. I finally go all-in, he calls and shows 9h9c, great only 9 on river saves him and there's 4.95% for that. Do i have to tell you what happened...
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PokerGods on June 29, 2008
Wow PokerGod, how much is full tilt paying you to say that? You aren't paying attention to anything that we are saying. We all know about poker, we know about its ups and its downs. I wasn't a beginner when I started playing on full tilt, yes everyone needs to improve their game and adapt to the people they are playing against. Every time you play poker you learn something new and incorporate it into your play. That is one reason why poker is a great game to play. I have runs of bad cards when I play live games. You are right! Lets look at it in the long run. Statistically I make a lot of money playing poker over the long run. But not on full tilt! Any moron knows to take advantage of the weak players, and not to 'tap on the aquarium'. But what you are neglecting to see is that WE NEVER MAKE ANY MONEY OFF OF THE DONKEYS AND THE FISH!!!!!!!!!!. The odds are always in their favor. How would you like me to adopt my play when I flop a full house? IT DOESNT MATTER!! Because the guy with K9 is not going to lay his hand down and he WILL hit that 9 on the river. We are complaining because everytime we are the favorite to win, we LOSE! I should be making tons of money when someone is drawing, but 80% of the time, they will hit their draw. It's disgusting! Full tilt is nowhere close to real poker. And we do play for REAL $$$$ in tourneys. But the same bull shit stands.
Yea its my bad play that is causing me lose money. Top two pair, always crushed on the river by another top two pair. Full houses always drowned.....three people pre-flop have pocket pairs and WE ALL HIT A SET??????????????? Yea but we all have bad days in real ring games and real tournament scenarios, and your goint to see them online too and in casinos. But casinos insure against improbability. If full tilt had a bad beat jackpot, they would be broke! |
PokerGods on June 29, 2008
PokerGods its easy to say dont blame the site but when the bad beats keep coming and donkey calls keep getting paid of time after time after time after time after time its obvious to even blind freddy something is up. Its SO obvious the odds are not even close to being legit. i agree with u saying adjust your game. on this site adjuyst your game by chasing the runner runner runner draws and 1 outers, you will win.
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You people are all paranoid. Full Tilt is no different than any other site. Over the last few years I have played at Bodog, Pokerstarts, UltimateBet, and Full Tilt. The one thing they all have in common is players who say "this site is so rigged" or "this is the most rigged site". The fact is that bad beats happen and they are far more memorable than favored hands holding. While a collection of antedotal observations about bad calls being paid off can create the illusion of a scam, it should not be considered statistical proof. Over a period of time, the cream rise to the top. The best players win over time, not because the site is rigged, but because they make the right decisions. Bad beats are frustrating, but getting your chips in the middle with the best is the only way to win.
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