Party Poker

   

SITE:

With 5 million registered users, Party Poker is the largest online poker room. They have grown tremendously since they started advertising on the World Poker Tour last year. There are over 65,000 player online at it's peak time. The games have a reputation for being loose but they can vary from loose to medium.

BONUS:

Their sign-up bonus typically range from 15%-20% bonus up to $100. They offer frequent reloads where you can usually get a 25% bonus up to $50. You can easily check the status of your bonus by going to the cashier and see how many hands you have left to play.

TOURNAMENTS:

Party Poker has good sit N go's. The competition is very loose at the low-limit ones ($5). For people who don't like to play against bad players they might want to switch up to the $20 sit N go's. Their multi-table tournaments have buy-ins that range from $20-$300. They also run satellites for it's $300 buy-in tournaments that have 1st place payouts up to $40,000. Party has a problem with all-in abuse. Sometimes the players disconnect from the site when they are in a big hand and don't want to call a big bet in a no-limit tournament and are put all-in and end up beating someone when they normally wouldn't have called the huge bet. The customer service at Party Poker currently knows about the problem and is contemplating making changes. Their biggest tournament is the PartyPoker.com Million III which is a World Poker Tour event with an anticipated prize pool of over $3,000,000. They offer Lucky Dollar tournaments that are $1 buy-in tournaments. For a buck you can win a vacation (cruise for two) and play in the Finals of the PartyPoker.com Million III, and be on the World Poker Tour. In PPM II, Lucky Dollar winner (Tim Lark) won his way to the ship, made it to the final table, finished 5th and took home $52,770.

UPDATE:They have just add Sit N Go Multi-tables for those people want want to play multi-tables but don't want to wait - the buy-ins range from $5-$30. And also added the ability to register for tournaments late.

PROMOTIONS:UPDATE:They have just added a bad beat jackpot.

SOFTWARE:

Their software is nice. You can play 3 tables at once and take notes on other players. The do have player stats but they are limited. The software has a buddy list where you can see if your friends are logged on but you can't locate where they are. There is also a search page where you can filter for games using a certain criteria (example: find all $1/$2 games where the avg. pot is greater than $18). You can also transfer money to other players but it needs to be a minimum of $50.
They also have hotkeys to you can play with your keyboard:
F5 = fold
F6 = check
F7 = call
F8 = raise

In order to remove the Party Poker shortcut that appears in your Tools Dropdown menu: You need to go into the registry (START/run then type regedit) then navigate down for this:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Extensions

Click through each one of the obscure sub folders in there and you will find Party. Right Click, Delete. It will be gone next time you start IE.

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COMMENTS:

pokerfan01 February 23, 2008 aaa pokerfan01 February 23, 2008 I started playing on-line poker as my mates got into it and then i got hooked. I'm a winning player in touraments, cash, and SnGs - I play mainly on Pokerstars and FTP. Partypoker however is a different story, its the site I started on, as Im sure many do due to the heavy marketing they do. I'm here to tell you to not do this!! The touraments are rubbish compared to Stars and FTP, too few and very very poor structures (the crazy stack tourney is the most idiotic). It demostrates strongly that this isn't a pure poker site like stars' or FTP, which focus on offering games that player want. The software is very poor, it crashes a lot, and the e-mail support is terrible. The bonus' are rubbish compared to the other sites - you have to play a sick amount of hands to see your bonus. However the biggest problem is the random number generators, which seem massively different to other sites, Id be willing to put a lot of cash on this being true. I know Im a winning poker player because I use pokertraker, and what struck me as strange is my partypoker cash game stats. (odds to get a specific pocket pair are 220/1)After 2,129 hands, I have never had AA, 1-KK, 1-QQ, 1-JJ, 0-TT, 2-99, 3-88, 7-77......etc etc, I should have, on average had each of these hands just less than 10 times!! The site sucks in so many ways, if you have pokertracker, compare your stats from different sites, you will notice a massive difference, never play it, its not a poker site, like stars or FTP. Its a blackjack, casino and a sports betting site!! If you love poker like me, play poker in the right place, use sites which change and adapt to what players want. Party is a static site, it never changes, when it drastically needs to! pokerfan01 February 23, 2008 I started playing on-line poker as my mates got into it and then i got hooked. I'm a winning player in touraments, cash, and SnGs - I play mainly on Pokerstars and FTP. Partypoker however is a different story, its the site I started on, as Im sure many do due to the heavy marketing they do. I'm here to tell you to not do this!! The touraments are rubbish compared to Stars and FTP, too few and very very poor structures (the crazy stack tourney is the most idiotic). It demostrates strongly that this isn't a pure poker site like stars' or FTP, which focus on offering games that player want. The software is very poor, it crashes a lot, and the e-mail support is terrible. The bonus' are rubbish compared to the other sites - you have to play a sick amount of hands to see your bonus. However the biggest problem is the random number generators, which seem massively different to other sites, Id be willing to put a lot of cash on this being true. I know Im a winning poker player because I use pokertraker, and what struck me as strange is my partypoker cash game stats. (odds to get a specific pocket pair are 220/1)After 2,129 hands, I have never had AA, 1-KK, 1-QQ, 1-JJ, 0-TT, 2-99, 3-88, 7-77......etc etc, I should have, on average had each of these hands just less than 10 times!! The site sucks in so many ways, if you have pokertracker, compare your stats from different sites, you will notice a massive difference, never play it, its not a poker site, like stars or FTP. Its a blackjack, casino and a sports betting site!! If you love poker like me, play poker in the right place, use sites which change and adapt to what players want. Party is a static site, it never changes, when it drastically needs to! Hunter February 19, 2008 There isn't much to say about online poker, except that it is one of the biggest fraud schemes this world has ever seen. The smart people know this, and they shouldn't be afraid to speak up their mind. I'm not, I eat people that try to scare me for breakfast each day, with a little bacon on the side. I like bacon you know. The fact is that employees/houseplayers of online poker rooms roam this kind of forums just to scare the truth away, by any means. They talk about how it is not within their interest, that we are bad players which they profit off, that we are dumb and should learn the game. And while they are so busy trying to scare us, they don't even read the actual posts, or have arguments. They suffocate you with their distractions and swearing, so you start focusing on that. Its a psychological game, almost similar as the one casino's play with you. The fact is, we are in greater numbers, but we fail to unite because of those little rodents that use their mind games to split us up. Believe me, they are paid well to do this. The one thing that you will always have to remember is not to be afraid of them. Don't be intimidated by those people, because they don't really have compelling arguments, just distracting intimidation. We know that online poker is rigged, because we have seen it over and over and over again, like many hundreds of thousands of other people. The fact that those people don't let you have your opinion, means you're right. The madder they get, the more right you are. If you want to piss them off, don't respond to what they say. This is very important, because if you do they start to get in your head and draw others like them into the discussion, and that is something you will lose for certain. Say what you think and get the hell out of there. Oh yeah... Party Poker is fixed. Why is it within their interest to do that? Because there is a great difference between 500 million and 3 billion of rake. HA! Hunter February 19, 2008 There isn't much to say about online poker, except that it is one of the biggest fraud schemes this world has ever seen. The smart people know this, and they shouldn't be afraid to speak up their mind. I'm not, I eat people that try to scare me for breakfast each day, with a little bacon on the side. I like bacon you know. The fact is that employees/houseplayers of online poker rooms roam this kind of forums just to scare the truth away, by any means. They talk about how it is not within their interest, that we are bad players which they profit off, that we are dumb and should learn the game. And while they are so busy trying to scare us, they don't even read the actual posts, or have arguments. They suffocate you with their distractions and swearing, so you start focusing on that. Its a psychological game, almost similar as the one casino's play with you. The fact is, we are in greater numbers, but we fail to unite because of those little rodents that use their mind games to split us up. Believe me, they are paid well to do this. The one thing that you will always have to remember is not to be afraid of them. Don't be intimidated by those people, because they don't really have compelling arguments, just distracting intimidation. We know that online poker is rigged, because we have seen it over and over and over again, like many hundreds of thousands of other people. The fact that those people don't let you have your opinion, means you're right. The madder they get, the more right you are. If you want to piss them off, don't respond to what they say. This is very important, because if you do they start to get in your head and draw others like them into the discussion, and that is something you will lose for certain. Say what you think and get the hell out of there. Oh yeah... Party Poker is fixed. Why is it within their interest to do that? Because there is a great difference between 500 million and 3 billion of rake. HA! Hunter February 19, 2008 There isn't much to say about online poker, except that it is one of the biggest fraud schemes this world has ever seen. The smart people know this, and they shouldn't be afraid to speak up their mind. I'm not, I eat people that try to scare me for breakfast each day, with a little bacon on the side. I like bacon you know. The fact is that employees/houseplayers of online poker rooms roam this kind of forums just to scare the truth away, by any means. They talk about how it is not within their interest, that we are bad players which they profit off, that we are dumb and should learn the game. And while they are so busy trying to scare us, they don't even read the actual posts, or have arguments. They suffocate you with their distractions and swearing, so you start focusing on that. Its a psychological game, almost similar as the one casino's play with you. The fact is, we are in greater numbers, but we fail to unite because of those little rodents that use their mind games to split us up. Believe me, they are paid well to do this. The one thing that you will always have to remember is not to be afraid of them. Don't be intimidated by those people, because they don't really have compelling arguments, just distracting intimidation. We know that online poker is rigged, because we have seen it over and over and over again, like many hundreds of thousands of other people. The fact that those people don't let you have your opinion, means you're right. The madder they get, the more right you are. If you want to piss them off, don't respond to what they say. This is very important, because if you do they start to get in your head and draw others like them into the discussion, and that is something you will lose for certain. Say what you think and get the hell out of there. Oh yeah... Party Poker is fixed. Why is it within their interest to do that? Because there is a great difference between 500 million and 3 billion of rake. HA! bad_dog76 October 25, 2007 Tuff Fish is a mutha fukkin legend! LOL! Go TONY! good live player bad party poker player August 31, 2007 Hello to every one,I want to tell you about poker. I play at the casino in my town every week two to three times a week and always win, I mean I always win. Ive been playing for 6 years and consider myself a shark I play no limit and all the way to low limit. I play tight and fast and aggresive and I know when to let go of my hands. I never win online and I play no limit and limit and I never win. Why???? I can win like crazy in live games but as soon as I go online I lose. Dont change my play but I still lose. If you think a company wont lie ,, and cheat, steal from you. I just have this to say ENRON, World COM, Bre X. All these companies were based on North American soil. World Com and Enron lied to the public about how much they were making, while their executives got rid of stock. These companies were actually losing money, and were turnig around and telling investors they were making money. Bre X was a Company based out of Canada that sprinkled gold into their mining samples to make it look like they had hit a huge gold mine. Executives sold the stock when it was high. When it was discovered that the samples were tampered with the stock was worthless in two days. All three of these companies lied to investors, their have been trials,convitions and investigations into these three companies. So dont think that a company based out of Gibralter wont rip you off. Ohh one other thing Ruth Parasol is the founder of partypoker but look at the delings she has been involved with below. In 1994, Parasol went on to start her own phone sex and online adult entertainment businesses from which she sold-out in 1996. Ruth Parasol and Seth Warshavsky invested millions of dollars in phone porn companies that were sued by North Carolina and Nevada authorities for alleged improper billing and collection practices that included threatening to seize a person's property. Warshavsky was a protege of Seattle phone sex entrepreneur Ian Eisenberg, who was advised by attorney and phone sex business veteran Parasol. Eisenberg mailed phony "rebate" checks for $3.50 to millions of households. The fine print on the checks stated that by cashing the check, the recipient agreed to pay up to $29.95 for Internet service. Subsequently, the FTC filed charges, and Eisenberg and company were ordered to pay $17 million in restitution.[2] Parasol was a fixture at adult entertainment industry gatherings until 1999. Nuff said Unregistered September 1, 2006 [QUOTE=bad_dog76]For whatever reason, once in a while partypoker gives me $50 for nothing. I have no idea why but they do. I've found that playing every single hand and chasing every single draw pays off BIG TIME here. A good example, playing in .25/.50 NL holem table I'm dealt 47 suited I raise BB to 2.00 three callers. Flop comes 5s 8s Ah I bet pot get two callers next card Ad I go all in get one caller who had A8 and river comes, you guessed it 6s I hit my straigh flush LOL. Of course the person with the boat was mad but hey that's poker right? About 10 hands later I hit another straight flush playing 27, Flop came 3,4,5diamonds turn 6s river 6d LOL. Two straight flushes in a matter of 10 hands ? Partypoker gives me money and I play like a fool only to cash in big time. I have nothing to lose so why not. I bet I'm up a good $800 or so from playing rags. I LOVE PARTYPOKER![/QUOTE]They dont give you something for nothing.....theres only one winner....and thats the person who OWNS THE SITE...dont take no damn rocket scientist too figure that out! Unregistered September 1, 2006 [QUOTE=EricVonPain/ Dr.Nitz]Party Poker is awesome. The have the most players, the most games running at any time, and the most BAD players. Anyone who thinks Party or any of the other large poker sites (e.g. Paradise, UB, Pokerstars, Prima, etc.) are rigged is an idiot. They make hand over fist raking legit games--no need to cheat and kill the golden goose.[/QUOTE]I THINK YOUR FOS AND YOU WORK FOR THEM....AM I RIGHT! Unregistered Party poker : monster millions August 13, 2006 Well all I have to say, is that Party Poker is the WORST maintained site of all. In the last 2 days, I have been in 2 cash tournys. The first was a $33 qaulifier for the 100000 dollar tourny they are running. After about 1 hour & 30 mins, and over 3/4 or all players gone im in chip lead and they cancell the tourny. Thats Bad !, But in the process ig ain entry to a $1000000 tourny, which just happened to be cancelled as well about 1/2 way thru. Once again, Party Poker has fucked me over in good chip position . Now i try to ring them, and bear in mind im calling India from Australia. The person i speak to, puts me thru to the supervisor, as i havent received a refund as the tourny was cancelled. The supervisor tells i nee to speak with his superior, and i would get a call in 15 misn, needless to say, its an hour later and im still waiting..... Party poker should stick to small stuff, as its obvious their servers cant handle ay decent amount of traffic. bad_dog76 Lol! August 10, 2006 For whatever reason, once in a while partypoker gives me $50 for nothing. I have no idea why but they do. I've found that playing every single hand and chasing every single draw pays off BIG TIME here. A good example, playing in .25/.50 NL holem table I'm dealt 47 suited I raise BB to 2.00 three callers. Flop comes 5s 8s Ah I bet pot get two callers next card Ad I go all in get one caller who had A8 and river comes, you guessed it 6s I hit my straigh flush LOL. Of course the person with the boat was mad but hey that's poker right? About 10 hands later I hit another straight flush playing 27, Flop came 3,4,5diamonds turn 6s river 6d LOL. Two straight flushes in a matter of 10 hands ? Partypoker gives me money and I play like a fool only to cash in big time. I have nothing to lose so why not. I bet I'm up a good $800 or so from playing rags. I LOVE PARTYPOKER! Woopster PartyPoker - Rigged? Without a doubt! August 5, 2006 Of course, you're always going to have the people who demand "proof" in the form of some million hand sampling (and even then, it won't be enough). Here are just a few observations as to why I feel PartyPoker is rigged beyond a shadow of a doubt. You can take my comments at face value. First, if you've ever multi-tabled, you've already witnessed a definite, major indicator that something isn't quite right on PartyPoker. Time and time again, if I have even only two tables open simultaneously, there is an uncanny correlation between the cards at the two tables (the behavior may or may not depend on where you sit, when you join the tables relative to one another, etc. -- I've never wasted my time digging that deeply; I'm there to play poker.). If I have hole cards of 2c/5s on one table, more often than I believe is "random" (to say the least), I'll see the flop on the second table contain 2c/5d, 2s/5d, even 2c/5s. Multiple times on a whim, I've tried to take advantage of this odd "phenom" -- often, quasi-sucessfully. Example: Multi-tabling, two tables. Same game, same limit. Joined tables only a minute or two apart, if that. Random seating position. Flop on one table comes Q 7 x. Second table, I get hole cards of Q7o. Obviously, a hand you'd throw away in most all cases. I call, however, whimsically, as a test. Flop comes Q 7 x (different suits to the Q and 7, but the point remains). I still lose the hand to some other ragged hands, but that's not the point. This alone happens often enough that something about seems a bit "off". However these "random" decks are seeded, they're not random enough. Maybe someone else out there has already figured out how to exploit this and is using it to their advantage. Second, I think PartyPoker probably does have some type of mechanism in place to "encourage" action. I play at B&M casinos often, and while I relize that the number of hands per hour is tenfold online, you still see things online in one hour that you don't see at a B&M casino in ten hours. I don't use tracking software, but many, many times, I'll toss a very marginal junk hand (Q9o, for example) from middle-late position, and a Q99 or QQ9 will flop. Of course, people will say, "You only remember the times that the flop is good for you! (or would have been)" Maybe that's the case for some, but I see this occur way, way more online in one day than I do at a B&M casino in weeks of playing. The reason is simple: get more players in, more action, bigger pots, bigger rakes. Third, many people have mentioned their performance going downhill when they cash out. I don't cash out often, but I think I've seen very similiar behavior just with my existing bankroll. For example, I quit PartyPoker for several years due to my believing it's rigged. I gave it another chance recently, buying in for $300. I dropped $200 of it playing large multi-table tournaments with moderate buyins (typically $33). I played these for experience and enjoyment, not to build my roll. Finally, I decided to move back to cash games to get back some of my initial investment, and simply to change gears. Not being driven by "poker ego", I sat at a very comfortable $100 pot limit (50c/$1d) 10-max table. In three or four hours, I turned the $100 into just over $300 ($303 to be exact). After that, I couldn't show down a winning hand for the life of me. I know how I play, and if I have one poker strength, it's discipline (I may go nuts at the bad beats, but I continue to play "correct" poker by standards; I won't loosen up or try to break someone to get even). That being said, I thought it was simply uncanny that the quality of the cards degraded in time so perfectly with my bankroll approaching my initial buy-in. With anywhere from 40,000 to 80,000 people on PartyPoker at once, they obviously have dozens if not hundreds of servers in their little offshore hole... and with those servers comes a lot of power. It would not surprise me to learn that there are some very advanced mechanisms in place to tailor table action based on the players at the table. As for the people who say, "Why would PartyPoker rig the cards?" Nevermind the fact that they're off-shore and basically subject to no laws whatsoever... The fact is that poker is "boring" by most people's standards. Yet look at TV. Big hands, big action, PartyPoker commercials. People who come to PartyPoker want that "big action" they saw on TV -- and most truly random hands have no such action. That being said, PartyPoker must "force" the action. I'm currently deliberating buying back in for $100, grinding up to $400 (by playing only the stone cold nuts), cashing out, and never returning. I'll be looking for another more reputable online casino. I'll be honest... I like PartyPoker's look and feel, but I simply won't play at a rigged casino. Quite frankly, I think there needs to be some better govermental control over this (and I think it's coming). I don't care if PartyPoker is located in Timbuktoo -- they should be required to release certain parts of their source code to true, un-paid, un-biased, third parties to ensure fairness. Right now, all we have is their word... and quite frankly, the "word" of an online casino means about as little to me as it can. Unregistered March 29, 2006 Well, you don’t really make any sense because obviously, the more times you reload, the more you’re playing and the more rake and entry fees they collect. It would be in their best interest to try to keep you coming back, and it would be a good way to do just that ask described above. I’ve noticed the same thing as well, catching cards left and right when I’m new to a site and I’m not one to suck out. Unregistered March 25, 2006 The problem with your insight on that is its not partypokers money its the players money party poker only see the rake and buy in fees Unregistered March 24, 2006 Has anyone else noticed that when you first sign up, you tend to "catch" a lot more cards than you do after you've been playing for a while? I've noticed that at the beginning, I would catch inside straights and flushes a lot. Almost as if they are trying to program your mind into thinking that you're going to catch those cards everytime you have that draw. After a while, you never catch those cards. You run up your bankroll only to eventually lose it. Then you think, hey, I was once ahead, I can do it again, so you deposit more money only to lose it again, even after tightening up your game. I, and others I've talked to, have seen this trend, not just on party poker but other sites as well. Unregistered March 14, 2006 i think, tkat PP is good to take the 75$ bonus and run away :) And I'm suprised, that when You playing for bonus - they don't cheat ... i have now $65 on my moneybookers and THX for play on PP :) [url]http://poker.ovh.org/mb7.jpg[/url] Chad I second that! November 17, 2005 [QUOTE=Pepsi King]This was my first poker site. After being disgusted about being beat on the river ALL THE TIME, I went to another site where I actually started winning on a regular basis. Now that I have played for a while I realize that TOO MANY PEOPLE GET LUCKY ON THE RIVER at Party Poker. Mathematically speaking it occurs a lot more than it should. It gives the impression that Party Poker intentionally rewards bad play in order to keep novices hooked. I have also noticed that everytime I cash-out or win a bonus I suddenly start having a losing streak. I was once dealt over 100 losing hands in a row after receiving a bonus. I am very suspicious of this site and will not play here again.[/QUOTE] The same happend to me, except for the bonus situation. I like ultimate bet, personally. tommy vercetti October 4, 2005 like the site, but i stick to the single table sit-n-gos. much more realistic cards than the cash games. i like the $10 buy in NL games, plenty of fish. $50 for winner, $30 for 2nd, $20 for 3rd. i played 4 today, two firsts and two seconds, im up $120. like shooting "fish" in a barrell (pun intended). if you move up to the $20 or $30 SnG, the profits are obviously even higher, but the players are better as well. best of luck all. CowboyFrank October 3, 2005 PP Is still rigged!!! These postings here go back to May 2004, and I agree with them all, its BS!!! Especially the weekend I just had. Flopping Full Houses and losing!?! Once is BS but twice in one weekend is just insulting. Getting AK called down but some jerk with 10, Q, make my 2 pair, then he's rivered a straight? Seeing, 999 or 333 or 7777 on the community cards during a tourney, not different tourneys, THE SAME TOURNEY, WITHIN MINUTES of each other. And this wasnt over a couple of months of play, THIS WAS THIS WEEKEND ALONE!!! I'm not kidding. Then to top it off, during this tourney, after all my bad beats, I consider going ALL IN with a Q4, but folded. and just to screw with me the flop comes Q44. I give up, you will never see CowboyFrank at PP ever again!!! ttxttx October 3, 2005 party poker is as shady of site as one could imagine. if you don't mind being dealt three wining hands out of eighty and you beleive them when they say it is just "co-incidence", then this is the site for you. I have also played more than 500 tournaments and found one or two players getting every winning hand, 23 of the first thirty, forty two of the first 60, only to find they have no player history when I look them up on "pokerprophecy.com". In my opinion they have a pre-defined outcome with every deal of the cards and no matter how strong your hand is the "ringers" will play junk and get the only card in the deck that could help them every time. mugsy October 3, 2005 I Love Ppyou Cant Lose With 23 Suited !!!!!!! dan messer October 3, 2005 Omg!!! Partypoker Is The Best Site Ever!!! They Love Me!!!i Make $1000 A Day, And To This Date I Am Up $219,000!!!reason Being: My Proffesor In College, Asmara Agha, Worked For Partypoker And She Hooked Me Up!! That Hot Slut!!!!! I Am On The Goodlist For Life!!! I Always Suckout On The River!!! This Is The Best Site Around!!!!! I Also Used The Bot Program And That Is Another Reason Why I Have Made So Much!!!!! Omgggggg They Love Me!!!! dave matos October 3, 2005 I have $2000 in my partypoker account, i love staring at my cashier and feeling down,i play $22 singletables all day long in rage, i win so much on this site, u wanna know the secret???? I PUT ON MY GOLDEN KNEEPADS AND SUCK PP DICK!!!! THEY LOVE ME!!!P.S. AL BUNDY IS MY IDOL!!! MysteryMan October 3, 2005 Whether PP cheats or not, I do know that some forms of cheating are possible. Many times I've been at a table where some player has 10-20 million chips, and their chip total keeps going up 1000 to 5000 each second, and they're not even playing, they're sitting out! After a while (usually when they get up over 30 million) it stops, then they leave the table. What's the point? It's PLAY money! I e-mailed PP about it, and their response was a generic, "we take every effort to prevent cheating, blah blah blah..." My feeling is, if PP can't prevent blatant cheating on their play money tables, how could I be sure they can prevent sophisticated, subtle cheating on real money tables? After reading most of these posts, I don't have any confidence that they can, or even care to. So whether PP itself cheats or not, I won't be opening a real money account there.By the way, a dik doesn't really care about the gender of the mouth it's in. They both feel the same (beards notwithstanding). holla October 3, 2005 Just got done playing a tourney at PP. I bet half my tourney stack preflop with pocket KK; of course, someone called me with a J8 offsuit; i mean, why not? that's normal play right? (sarcasm) Flop K Q 10. So, I go all in--Im thinkin; I got trips. turn is a 2. River throws down a 9. Happens all the time at PP. Going in with the best hand is not an advantage at PP. Withdrawing all funds right now, it's just too shady. Stay away from that site, it's gotta be rigged. Oh, yeah Im sure they have employees posting to the contrary, they probably get a real kick out of inflating PP all day long on sites like these. Unregistered October 3, 2005 terrible worse than jokerstars cowboy joe October 3, 2005 PP cheats, last night, I had 7 2 offsuit, I went all in in my regular $13 NL game, 2 guys called me, with AA and KK, and the flop was 4 8 T, all I need a 7 and a 2, or 7 7 or 2 2, but guess what, J on the turn, and 4 on the river. I'm never playing there again. I always win with 7 2, PP is so rigged. cousin john October 3, 2005 Play Omaha hi-lo. I question the number of times a deuce comes on the river. More than the 1/13 odds. A turn with a 2 or 3, and then a river with a 3 or 2 also more common than odds. Wonder if others have observed this. Don't bother to tell me to play ace - 4. bigdaddy October 3, 2005 First of all, if you can't talk poker, you are dismissed because nobody with a pulse gives a crap about you unless you have money to lose. Next, this moron calling people broads is the one acting like a broad, putting her nose in where it doesn't belong. Again, either fork over some cash or your dismissed. Finally, "fkin dope", he sucks in real life so I might as well put him to work. Unregistered October 3, 2005 All of you dorks on here need to shut up ...you all sound worse than broads... time for a tampon change i think. Grow some balls b*tches. Unregistered October 3, 2005 EVERYONE of you need lives and are degenerate losers!!!!!! EVERYONE of you need lives and are degenerate losers!!!!!!EVERYONE of you need lives and are degenerate losers!!!!!!EVERYONE of you need lives and are degenerate losers!!!!!! HAHAHA Unregistered October 3, 2005 Hey conspiracy buffs, why don't you bring down the so-called fraudulent site??? I know why... because you suck at poker, or don't understand bad beats and can't handle them... (I can't wait until this trendy poker thing stops) Unregistered October 3, 2005 Excuse me waiter, can I have another order of the fish? ... Sure, just go to PP. unregistered October 3, 2005 Woohoo... more bad poker players crying fraud and conspiracy.... which means more money for me!!!!!!!!!!! You people think you know how to play poker, and you are so mistaken it makes me laugh... PP is totally legit and good players have made so much money off you babies that it's almost criminal.... you lose because you suck!!! No such thing as action flops.. and you people wouldn't know true odds if they hit you in the face, you haven't played enough hands to see them... (and never forget, if you can't find the fish on the table it is YOU) bigdaddy October 3, 2005 Where you running to? monday nite, right here. UB is just as bad as this. If you know you cant beat me here, what makes you think you can beat me anywhere? By the way, its you WERE, not you was. How did a 4th grader who cant even speak the language come into 5G anyway? Blow me October 3, 2005 LOL! Why all the anger bigdaddy? Did I hit a nerve?? LOL. Who the hell ever said "I" bet into those flops douchebag? I never said that. I clearly stated that MOST PEOPLE ON LINE ARE JUST LEARNING AND THEREFORE AN ACTION FLOP WILL INDUCE BETTING! I never stated I bet into it idiot lol. I got $5,000 meet me at Ultimate bet so we can play heads up shitpie. We'll see what's up. One last note sorry I didn't know you was a F.A.G and wanted to put your dik in a guys mouth. It's good to see you're not afraid to be GAY. Keep up the good work bigdaddy I'll be waiting at UB for you if you got the "nuts"! bigdaddy October 3, 2005 Nothing like some jackass like Blow Me to make my point for me. You tell me i am wrong and in the same breath say "why not induce a flop that causes betting" THATS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID YOU 4UCKIN MORON! It takes a moron like you to make the bets. And just a little FYI, the only reason I brag about getting laid is because I pay for the hooker with your money. You're the one that must brag about getting laid, it happens so seldom for you that you come here and beg people like me to "BLOW YOU!". "AN "ACTION" FLOP WILL INDUCE BETTING (ONLY FROM A MORON LIKE YOU)" I was playing 50/1.00 tables before you were the twinkle in the eye of a horny teenage hooker sitting in the backseat of an el camino at a drive-in movie chargin your old man $50 an hour to stick his head in her snatch. Dont like 4 diamonds, FOLD, dont like pairs, FOLD. dont like the straight, FOLD. My dream world consists of you coming up with $5000 and putting your money where your mouth is. That is, after I get my dik out of it. Bigdaddys an idiot October 3, 2005 Blow me couldn't be more dead on. The problem isn't jamming KK or AA into 6,7,8, flops its that almost every flop has an A or a K or 2 of a kind or some straight or flush possibility. I haven't kept track but i'd bet that a someone pulls a straight or a flush every 3rd or 4th hand. That just doesn't happen in live games. Granted there are some real lousy players at this site but it doesn't seem to matter when they are constantly paid off for their stupid play. blow me October 3, 2005 bigdaddy STFU! People like you crack me up. "I am not a pro, but I certainly don't have to work full time with the money I make here." Another funny statement from someone who no doubt is playing .50/$1.00 tables. You probably brag about getting laid too LOL. Usually people who brag about shit are completely the opposite of what they say. Anyway, people play online poker because they can make foolish bets, calls, and raises and never need to worry about getting shit on from anyone. Online poker sites know this and therefore why not induce a flop that will cause betting or calling. You talk about people jamming KK into a 6,7,8,9 flop and turn. The whole point is 6,7,8,9 or four diamonds or pairing the board even two pairing the board happens CONSISTANTLY here you dope. You barely ever see this in a casino or on many other poker sites. When you have K10 of diamonds and a flop comes Q,8,2 of diamonds and you go all in and get called by A(diamonds)2 and the river is a diamond what can u do? Party Poker rewards loose calls and bad play all the time. Common flop on Party Poker is K,Q,10,10,9 with 3 of one suit. A lot of people who play online are just learning and therefore AN ACTION FLOP WILL INDUCE BETTING YOU TOOL! Anyway Keep living in your dreamworld bigdaddy and thanks for the laugh! bigdaddy October 3, 2005 Here's an example of what I mean by my last post, Mr "random" who posted on Aug 21 says he lost with AA and KK more than half the time. Why? Because the idiot is jamming his aces with a 4 straight or a 4 flush on board. I just finished a 3 hour session at a 2/4 table and was dealt aces and kings twice each. What seperates me from this monkey is that I folded 3 of these 4 hands and all 3 hands I would have lost. This guy would have lost at least another $100 trying to jam these hands into 4 clubs, 9-T-J-Q, and a two pair board. ME? I folded every time and left the session up $160 instead of up $50. HIM? He jams every pot, loses his shirt, and pisses and moans about it here. Unregistered October 3, 2005 "The reason these sights put up action flops is to increse betting and thus the rake"........ That's a bunch of crap, I have to agree with bigdaddy's post. And I might add that action flops do not induce action from decent players, if anything they should scare people away from the hand. This concept of an action flop is nothing more than conspiracy theory at it's finest, it makes no sense and is simply not true. People at the low limits play too many hands, can't find the fold button, and are fish for an accomplished player. Online poker is different from live poker for many many reasons, I have found that the best way to win online is to play extremely tight-aggressive. Too passive and you never protect your hand; too loose and you are just a calling station. bigdaddy October 3, 2005 The stupidity still amazes me. The only way you get this so-called "action flop" is if there are enough morons to bet at it. The flop can pair or 3 straight every hand, if nobody bets it, it's not an "action flop" is it? If your dumb enough to jam your queens with a 4 card straight on the board after you let 4 others limp in, you deserve to get your ass handed to you. Again, I am not a pro, but I certainly don't have to work full time with the money I make here. Why, because of whining idiots like three quarters of the idiots here. Play anything less than 5/10 and I dont want to hear you piss and moan about being outdrawn by 10-8. Who needs to rig a poker site when morons are jamming 2 black kings with 4 diamonds on the board? He'll get you your rake without rigging the site. If you took every action flop that had 6-7-8-9 on the board, and had intelligent people throw away pocket queens, any 5, and 9-7s, there would never be any "action". Any person who plays these hands to the river should be shot. These are the idiots that make "action flops", not the site. All the site does is prey on the stupidity of its players, and believe me, its out there, everywhere. Unregistered October 3, 2005 The reason these sights put up action flops is to increse betting and thus the rake. How many times in a live game do you see two of the same suit or three to a straight? It happens all the time online. If you can't see why the poker sights would want to do this then you need your head examined. RPM October 3, 2005 Played at a sit and go yesterday and was dealt AA on 3 out of 4 hands. Not that i'm complaining about it but what the hell are the odds of that happening with a true random generator? Very fishy. Unregistered October 3, 2005 Yeah, I agree that something illegitimate is going on at PP. I'm a pretty tight player, and do well at PokerStars and hold my own at Pacific Poker. But at PP, I'm kept seeing these weird flops and people betting and raising with junk hands and WINNING. I don't see this at those other two sites. Stay away from Party Poker. wised_up October 3, 2005 I've been playing poker for 2 years now. My first online experience was with these idiots. I chose to play there because the competion was soft. Well, after a month playing, I am done. Oh yeah, after my first 3 weeks, I was at $303.00 after starting with my $50 deposit. My playing style is very tight. I see strange things there all the time though. AA or KK being called down with J4 off suit and so on and them winning every time. Last night, I witnissed a guy get beat after raising and re-raising twice then all-in with his KK by a guy holding 8-10 offsuit. You guessed it.. the guy with 8-10 hit trips on the river.But these bad beats are hardly my most concern. What I have noticed since I started playing there is the alarming rate that the board pairs. I actually sat down last night and counted 21 hands that went to the river, and out of 21 hands 12 of them the board paired! And twice it two-paired! Now I am no statistical expert, but I know from live play that this happens rarely. I don't care about these guys telling you, "oh well that's because you're seeing more hands online." Well, I am going by percentage, and these ARE the facts. I could have sat down and done it today, tomorrow, last week, measured 10 hands or 3,000 hands.. it happens on there ALL the time. And it's definitely done to induce more betting, thus a bigger rake. Full Houses occur on that site so frequently it isn't funny. What are the odds of a full house?? C'mon guys, wake up! If you don't believe me, that's fine but I'm just trying to give some advice to anyone that may be thinking about signing up there..DON'T DO IT!!! I have withdrawn my money that I have there and will deposit it on another site I found. And no I am not saying where I will be moving to, just so you know I'm not trying to endorse another site. I am being totally honest about this experience. Good luck, everyone. doyoulikefishing October 3, 2005 and when I lost to the bad beats, could I have prevented it? Sure! What couldve I have done? Fking fold! Example your dealt KK, at a 25nl cash game and you raise 1-2 dollars, you get reraised all in with pocket 7's!(but u dont know that duh) What do you fking do? Fold! Thats right fold... Also there is one insance I was dealt qq, flop is something like aq5 ace and the 5 are diamonds. My caller goes all in with flush draw.. What could I have done? Fking fold... but no, i call with my set and he hits his flush on the river. Yes its a fking bad beat, but why risk all your $ if you dont have the nuts? Anyways, just play super duper tight, and youll do fine at online and real money games.. Gl all.. doyoulikefishing October 3, 2005 Party Party Party. Well im down 500 at this god forsaken site. But why do I keep coming back? Because of the freaking players thats why. There are literally thosuands of players first off. And secondly the skill level ranges. I can easily make my money back. Whats the key? Tight play.(cash games im talking about) Out of the 500 I lost, about 300 was my own fault(chasing,calling preflop with medicore hands qk,j10,etc. and tilting) And the rest of 200 were bad beats. So I know I will make my money back.. Just takes time.. AA. October 3, 2005 You're a ucking idiot! You want to go all in with AA against KK & QQ. If you fold AA, you're playing the wrong game. Why would you fold when you're going to win 3 out of 5 times, MORON? Unregistered October 3, 2005 Hey random, if that's true, stop going all in with aces or kings and only do it with jacks or queens, lol. If you are so sure that it happens all the time take advantage of it. Anytime you put all your chips in pre-flop you are gambling (even with those shiny aces), never think otherwise. With enough callers (all-in) you are actually better off folding your aces. For example, I wouldn't want to gamble all my chips with aces against both kings and queens, 2 in 5 times you will be busted by a set with two callers. Tournaments are different and some people have obviously seen too much poker on tv. Aces are the best starting hand, but it's only a starting hand, not a finished hand. In my humble opinion, going allin preflop is never a good decision in a cash game, unless of course you can handle the bad beats, which apparently you cannot. random October 3, 2005 pp has some obscene flops. not to mention the river. more than 50 percent of the time im holding better pockets such as aa or kk and the other player qq or jacks and goes all in...on the river magically another jack or queen. statistically these lower pairs winning the hand is very slim. ive lost with aa or kk more than half the time. i think the site is a bit rigged. they try to distibute money evenly keepin the players happy. so once i win big i always lose bigger. pp's cashing out system isnt also that great. they leave you with a pending amount for the longest time. make you lose so you have to deposit that pending amount back in. ive also played on ultimate bet and i think that site is not as fake as party poker. you can win at pp but you will most def end up losing much more. Unregistered October 3, 2005 I don't understand the point about action flops, maybe I play differently than some people but I'm more prone to fold on an action flop than call or raise. Why would PP put as many scare cards as possible on the flop only to have most players, or at least tight players, fold immediately. Three to a straight or flush on board and I'm more likely than not to fold my top pair, depending on my outs and the size of the bet. I've also noticed that in spite of what some of these posts say, people often play VERY tight at the lower no-limit tables, often just the top 10 or 20 hands, I don't find this to be particularly suspicious regarding any mode of cheating. However, sometimes it's very predictable, great for bluffers and sharks. If I see someone playing like a megalomaniac, I'll find a better table. And to conservative players on PP, hit and runs can make you quite a few dollars without ever giving any of the players info about your long term play. Buy in on a $25NL with about $10, wait for the nutz, double up and leave, all the while taking notes on the other players. Because of the blinds you may only walk away with about 17 or 18, but it's an easy way to slowly fill your bankroll (and you can only lose ten bucks at a time). Also, lots of fish on the .50/1.00 BEGINNERS table, but watch out for lucky draws. Raising with beginners is often a fruitless effort due to all the calling stations, so just be patient. As for the conspiracy theories floating around the internet about cheating (other than collusion), I just simply have to laugh. Long live party poker and I'll see you at the tables. Unregistered October 3, 2005 I really don't think that any site is conspiring against any certain player whether they withdraw or not. I think there is something to the action flop thing. These sites will take money from whoever whether they withdraw or not due to the increased betting and calling at the low limits through the rake. As for the people who say that only bad players lose on the internet due to bad calls they obviously have not had one of the bad beat streaks that happen and have been talked about over and over on this board. I too have been the victim of several of these for whatever reason. jupitert October 3, 2005 I played at party poker for about a year, hit it big (for me at least) in March of this year. I won $8100 in a span of 2 weeks, cashed out and then began too see the most unbeleivable bad beats ever. So after months of giving my winnings back, I signed up at Poker Stars(about 2 weeks ago). I deposited $50 and in my first hour at the .5/1 NL table I was up to $250. In the next week i was up another $100 and had the original $50 up to $350+. It was so relieving to see good cards hold up, as on Party I would almost always get my money in with the best hand but would lose to some ridicolous beats. So last Friday night I withdrew $50 and it has been all down hill. I kid you not, in a 2 night span I was dealt pocket pairs 22 times, and not once did I hit a set--on all 5 community cards. That seems abit unreal, being stats say you hit a set 20% of the time when holding pockets. Anyways, I am now down to $94 in my account and I am curious to see if this withdraw curse is for real on Stars as well as Party. Unregistered October 3, 2005 Well apparently i have to provide a clue..so here's clue #1... Partypoker vs. Pokerstars. If you read the few hundred posts about these two sites you will come to one conclusion (if you have a brain, that is)...that Pokerstars has far, far less complaints than Partypoker. Hmmm...interesting... probably the two biggest sites out there. Of the posts... 25% are complaining about Pokerstars, whereas, 75% are complaining about Partypoker..interesting. dennis October 3, 2005 Dumbo, i dont get your argument. we didn't program the software so how can we come up with empirical evidence of fraud??? you learn by observation, mistakes and taking action. I have observed many irregularities in PP that i never see in a live game or tv tournaments. As i said before a live game is dominated by top pairs, two pairs and sets. online poker seems to be dominated by higher hands as a regular occurence and we have had to adjust by tightening up our games to win, or play really loose when you the computer allows you to get on a roll. data and player statistics can be measured, quantified and adjusted on the fly so subtle hand controls can be made to occur. they can track everything and if they are overly greedy and expect to have tighter restrictions/laws placed on them in the near future, who's to say that they wont try for their buck? updated software October 3, 2005 I started playing at Party in June 2004. My bankroll grew from $100 to $2000 in 3 months all at the $0.50/$1 limit. However, soon after, my tight playing started me on a losing streak. Bear in mind I only play now when they give me a bonus. Ever since they updated the software in late 2004, bad play is rewarded. There's no doubt about that. When you flop trip aces and the other guy keeps raising with A K Q 10 and rivers a ucking J, somebody's cheating. Who is it? If this happens every so often, I would say "big deal". But it happens all the time to the same players. If this was legitimate, why would they give such generous bonuses? They know exactly how much money they're going to extract from you while you're trying to the required rakes either by using bots or employees. CASE CLOSED ALL YOU UCKING CHEATERS. dumbo October 3, 2005 I've read every post on here, and most for the other sites... The only thing I see are bad beat stories, and we all have plenty of those. Where some of you see possible evidence of cheating, I merely see bad poker plays and bad beats. I'll believe that some players cheat via collusion, and that sucks, but it's hard to stop. I want you to provide me with clues that PP is cheating, and from my perspective a hand history is not a clue. If it was a clue, all the above posts would provide clues to different types of cheating, not just one. We could assume that an opponent could see your hole cards, we could assume that PP intentionally gave the underdog the winning hand, we could assume that action flops are dealt to induce betting, we could assume there are planted shills to increase the rake, we could assume that someone just made a withdrawal and PP is punishing them, we could assume someone just made a deposit and PP is rewarding them. Lots of assumptions about different possibilities... but even the clues don't add up to circumstantial evidence of a single method of fraud, there is much reasonable doubt. I know for a fact that some people are learning to play poker with real money, instead of play money, this could easily explain some of the bad poker plays on the low limits. It's a nightmare for a decent poker player to sit with a beginner, they will do anything just to see what happens. I've watched the upper limits on PP and UB and rarely does anyone suck out on the river, no one calls that far into the hand, these people understand the game... low limit is a different story, some people could care less about their 25 or 50 dollars. Others take their money much more seriously, and can't understand why some people make such bad plays. I think it's a situation of the relative importance of money for different people. A decent player seems to assume that because they would 'never make that call', that when someone does it must be evidence of cheating. It's beginners and people who could care less about the money, that's my explanation. Unregistered October 3, 2005 read above for the clues...pretty obvious...if i need to explain, it's really really ...really sad Dumbo Jones October 3, 2005 oh yeah... what did you want to know about Aruban Law? Dumbo Jones October 3, 2005 "I know you want to focus on the facts, but we will never know the facts, so be a smart person and use some clues.".... Tell me Sherlock Holmes, what clues do you have????? (p.s. please put some names on your posts so I know who I'm chatting with, too many people resonding about the same thing and I've lost track of who is who.... probably because of my ignorance, lol) I will be DUMBO JONES from now on, lol. And how about we all stop this childish name calling and have an honest discourse, we can at least agree to disagree in the end.... or is that too civil for some of you? I Love Party Poker October 3, 2005 I read all of these comments and have to say they helped me win around 2K over the past week. Playing 2/4 pot limit hold em. If I had a flush draw I'd raise and catch a good 70%. I called big pre flop raises with maginal hands like J9 off suit or 56 suited. I won a lot of those too LOL. It's comical how easy this is. All of you who complain just need to play extremely loose and see every flop. Chase any staight or flush draw to the river. Or if have flopped low pair just stay in and you'll most likely either turn or river a set. people get pissed at me on party poker lol. That's fine with me. They can critcize my play but I still have their $$$$$. A great site and a piece of cake to cash in on big pots that you'll always draw out on if you don't fold! Unregistered October 3, 2005 "Don't twist my words dickhead... hold em is about chasing and catching WHEN THE POT ODDS ARE CORRECT... I did not say that is the only thing the game is about, it obviously is not. As for the K-7 vs. K-K, the player that saw that (was it you?) never specified when this occurred. How high were the blinds? "Responding to this bullshit quote. Hey asshole You stated above people who lose on party poker have POOR POKER SKILLS. My point was (obviously you can't comprehend what you read) The person calling an all in bet with KK and losing does NOT have poor poker skills. Calling an all in with KK is the CORRECT move. Losing to K7 is a BAD BEAT no matter what the scenario is dip shit. Doesn't prove anything about people who lose have poor poker skills. I also NEVER stated going all in with K7 was a bad move, depending on the situation idiot. Go back to school and LEARN to COMPREHEND what you read. Unregistered October 3, 2005 Look here old man...the only original point i was trying to make.. (IF YOU WOULD READ AND PAY ATTENTION EARLIER) is that there is cheating in online poker. At the very least they need another card generator if they're not cheating because this one... not so good. Online poker sites have been brought down because of cheating, there is cheating. PERIOD. I know you want to focus on the facts, but we will never know the facts, so be a smart person and use some clues. Fact of the matter is...something ISN'T right with Party Poker...whatever it may be. P.S. The fact that you missed my whole point I was trying to make shows the intelligence level that I am dealing with. How can you argue something when you misinterpret the point??? lol purely comicalMaybe you can enlighten me with the laws of aruba next?? lol dennis October 3, 2005 I'm not going to bore you with hands that seemed out of whack or whine about bots taking my money. My experience with PP leads me to believe that there are two random number generators working at the same time. One distributeds the cards randomly and one distributes those players based upon account history. It is possible to classify it random yet place those random cards where you want them. It is subtle, but I firmly believe that when they decide it is your turn to re-up more money into your acct then it will happen. Putting in an extra sequence of code into an algorithum is not that tough if you are a good programmer. Go play in a real game in AC or Vegas, or even locally and watch how pairs, two pairs and sets dominate the action, while at PP straights, flushes and boats dominate. Losing to a second pair on the river is considered a bad beat in live games. Losing to quads or a boat is the norm on PP. I went to a site that rates your play on PP and was given a 42% (500+ games in a sit and go format) win ratio, which was considered a pro so calling me a rookie would be an unfair generalization. I am headed over to another site to try it out and track similarities and differences and will post back. Unregistered October 3, 2005 As to your comment about the Bush administration, that statement is normative - descriptive - subjective, I'm trying to be empirical - factual - objective..... and poker and politics don't mix so don't go there... give me proof of cheating and I will listen... a few hand histories don't cut it... I was merely responding to someone elses post who tried quite unsuccessfully to accuse Gibraltar of being a place where there are no internet regulations, thus a higher chance of cheating... answer the above post under CONFUSED about the K-K vs. K-7... I really want to know what kind of cheating specifically you think is occurring... please young one, enlighten and humor me, lol Unregistered October 3, 2005 calling pot sized bets with straight and flush draws is not justified by the pot odds ever and it will happen quite often on any online poker site. Going all in and getting called by a better hand and then catching on the river is just getting lucky trying to bluff at a pot which is completely different and happens in live card games as well. I understand the straight and flush draws will catch by the river around 30% of the time, but anybody that has played a significant amount of online poker would probaly aree that you will see many more flushes and straights than you would in a live game in spite of how many more hands you play. I think that there is something to say for the theory of draws coming up on the flop to generate action and therefore increase the rake. You have to admit that at times it seems that every flop has two of the same suit. That being said the sites can't rig idiot players calling raises with any two suited cards or hands such as 9 10 offsuit. It is and will continue to be a hazard of interenet poker play regardless of what site you play at. Unregistered October 3, 2005 Thanks professor...and this pertains to cheating how??? the US has a president and a house and senate..lol...and well even they're a bunch of crooks looking to pad their own pockets!!!! Try again About Gibralter October 3, 2005 For those who think Gibraltar is just some 'foreign country' with no regulations you are wrong. Gibraltar is an overseas territory of the UK that does not operate with autonomy, they answer to English law and have the Queen as their chief of state. It's not just some third world country. They have a very high standard of living. The only reason why many gambling sites choose Gibraltar to operate their business is that they have tax breaks that would be stupid to not take advantage of, this is also the reason why offshore banking in Gibraltar is a primary source of income for the territory. I know most of you imbeciles assumed that because you've only heard of the country that it must be some third world hub of corporate scandal. That's just your own xenophobia. Therefore, Party Poker is not just some "unregulated website based in some foreign country that is under absolutely no online laws." That is a complete fabrication, so before you make some ridiculous assumption based on your own lack of intelligence, do some research. It's no different than someone in the U.S. opening a swiss bank account to take advantage of higher earned interest rates. truman October 3, 2005 I'm back after 3months of playing more party poker and losing about $1000 in all. Now thats nothing to me but the fact is I dont like to be cheated. I saw AA vs KK at least 6-10 times a day and that's just what I've seen. I left an example on this website in june where I had 99 in the pocket and caught my set on the flop. Someone holding jj to the right of me also caught his set on the flop. I saw situations like this at the 50 dollar NL tables all the time. So the question is why? Obviously this is a unregulated website based in some foreign country that is under absolutely no online laws. At cash tables this creates a larger rake and in tournaments it helps speed up eliminating players. Either way THIS IS UNFAIR. Any moron out there that says that this is fair poker obviously has not spent enough time on the site. Finally I wouldnt be shocked to learn that they had players working internally winning huge tournaments such as the million dollar guaranteed. STAY AWAY TRUST ME! Confused October 3, 2005 Another interesting stat: If 72 suited was against AA (neither of which is same suit as 72) the odds go up to over 16% for the 7-2. In that scenario, aces would be cracked about one every six times. Confused October 3, 2005 Quick question, if this was somehow fraud (KK vs K7), how was it done? Are you saying the guy with K7 knew what cards were coming up? Or are you saying the software intentionally put two 7's on the board? Or did the person with K7 know that you held KK? If he did, I doubt he would have called. I'm confused what this supposedly proves. Even if AA was against 72, the dude with 72 still has a 12.6% chance of sucking out by the river. Some people like to take the gamble I guess, it's a better bet than placing your money on any number on roullette. Sure it's bad poker, but some people play for fun just to see what happens, they play any hand. That's certainly why low limit sucks. Every hands a winner and every hands a loser. Unregistered October 3, 2005 Don't twist my words dickhead... hold em is about chasing and catching WHEN THE POT ODDS ARE CORRECT... I did not say that is the only thing the game is about, it obviously is not. As for the K-7 vs. K-K, the player that saw that (was it you?) never specified when this occurred. How high were the blinds? Who called and who pushed? How much $ was the tourney buy-in? Was it SNG or MTT? Was anyone pot committed? I saw Hoyt Corkins (you may have seen this WSOP) go all in on a final table with J-7 in small blind, DiAgostino had 10-10 in the big blind and called... Corkins caught trip sevens on flop and the fourth 7 on the turn... That's a bad beat, yet if it happened on PP people would never think it to be legit. He was caught stealing the blinds, happens all the time, and he profited from it. Therefore, K-K vs. K-7 means nothing without proper context. 12 out of 100 hands you will see the K-7 win anyhow... that's more than 1 out of 10 (for those still learning to add) which means it more than likely happens several times a day considering all the hands played on PP. Is it stupid to push or call with K-7?? Most of the time, yes. Are there stupid players on PP? Without a doubt. What does this prove? Absolutely nothing. Unregistered October 3, 2005 Hold em is about chasing and catching?????? LMAO You're an asshole LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Hold em is about a bunch of different things sparky. Chasing and catching is NOT what the game is about. Sure if pot odds call for it you can chase a flush draw. Pot odds will NEVER call for someone chasing a gut shot str8 to the river when someone puts you all in. I also noticed you said nothing about the K7 VS KK deal. Simply put you have no clue what you're doing, just like many online players. You just call and pray. That's why you win on that site. Party Poker always rewards bad play. Oh yeah one other thing I won a tournament on Party Poker and walked off with $926.50 just so you know. I won many times when I was all in with the worst hand. It's gone for me and against me. The point is it happens CONSTANTLY! Maybe you should go back to playing Old Maid and Go Fish with you're mommy and daddy since you don't have a clue LOL. Hold em is about chasing and catching HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! One of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard! Unregistered October 3, 2005 Well i win in real life....you know ...where card percentages matter, and the cards are REAL!!!! Unregistered October 3, 2005 You moron, holdem poker is about chasing and catching assuming the pot odds are correct, it's not just about your pocket cards... maybe you should go back to playing penny / nickel 5 card draw with deuces wild... you are all a joke and are attempting to give PP a bad name because you lost a few hands... anyhow this is my last post, it's becoming pointless, there is obviously nothing I can say to convince any of you paranoid losers that PP is legit... I know for myself and have no complaints, so I will continue to play there and be the bad beat of any future posters who will claim that I was a bot and work for PP... You can all call me whatever you want.. but remember you are complaining because you LOST, I am defending the site because I WIN overall and accept the bad beats no matter how crazy they are, I have never seen anything suspicious... what the hell? October 3, 2005 How can you possibly state people who lose have POOR POKER SKILLS? If someone goes all in pre flop with K7 and someone calls with KK and community cards end up being A77J4, The person with KK loses and they have poor poker skills? If you go all in with a set after the flop and someone calls with nothing and catches runner runner to win the person going all in with a set has poor poker skills? Sorry pal I think you're the one with poor skills. If someone beats me fine. If someone chases an inside str8 to the river or goes all in chasing one and I lose yeah I'm gonna be a little pissed off. Everybody would be. Even pro's get pissed off when they take a bad beat. NOBODY likes losing. Bad beats are a part of poker but they are always happening on Party Poker. There is no skill involved on this site. It's mostly people chasing and catching. It occurs at all levels. So Yes people have the right to question the credibility of this site. It's very suspicious. Unregistered October 3, 2005 Well that's obvious idiot, I didn't need you to tell me that cheating has occurred.... online credit card transactions have often been a source of online fraud, but I still trust most of them, especially those operated via large companies ie. I'm not afraid to buy something from Walmart online, I'm also not afraid to play poker at THE LARGEST ONLINE POKER SITE IN THE WORLD... I'm not sure you people realize the scope of your allegations against PP specifically, if some of you are right there is a big problem in the whole world of online gambling (it could shut down online gaming in general, or at least all affiliates of IGaming Council, which account for most of the big gaming sites, the reputation of more than just PP is on the line), if one day PP gets into trouble I will eat my words, but until then I stand by my words... YOU PEOPLE OBVIOUSLY DO NOT UNDERSTAND NL HOLD EM (I know you think you do, but it's clear you do not) AND YOU ALL THINK YOU ARE TOO GOOD TO LOSE, DON'T BLAME PP... BLAME YOUR POOR POKER SKILLS AND YOUR INABILITY TO SUCK IT UP WHEN YOU LOSE... Unregistered October 3, 2005 PartyPoker has the LARGEST number of players, hence the LARGEST number of complaints.... you proved no point, lol Unregistered October 3, 2005 Just proves my ONLY POINT....that there has proven to be cheating in online poker...and when you have a site (Party Poker)where there is the MOST amount of complaints by far...somethings probably up. Unregistered October 3, 2005 there's a good possibility....there's enough complaints!!!! probably should be looked into huh Unregistered October 3, 2005 Well, I suppose if two sites were fraudulent they all MUST be!!!! Unregistered October 3, 2005 [url]http://www.yourmotherisscrewingme.com/index.php/2004/11/30/proof-that-your-mother-is-screwing-me[/url] Unregistered October 3, 2005 Hey stupid...a conspiracy would be something that is believed to be true without proof. Two sites have already been shut down for cheating this year....hmmmm that would make cheating in the online poker world not a conspiracy. Do YOUR research. You are a smart one...lol Unregistered October 3, 2005 There is definitely fraud on PP, I saw two players using hand signals the other day.... I think PP is also connected to Halliburton and big oil, I bet Bush is taking the extra money from all the cheating to support the illuminati and their plans for global domination... It all started at Roswell, and we never really landed on the moon... it could be the greys... What I meant to say is that you are all a bunch of paranoid morons, do your research on all the regular players who make money on PP, they are more than happy to post their long term results on their own sites and prove that a good poker player makes money overall (or do they just work for PP, hmmmm must be) Let's be honest losers, no poker player will admit that they suck, so when they lose they look for someone to blame... thus is born the conspiracy Unregistered October 3, 2005 Yea right..lol... have you watched any high stakes games online?? Have you seen the dialogue that occurs after someone loses? lol "This site is F*&^*in fixed"... "F*&^ this"..."You suck D*%^" ..etc. etc. .... hmm..yea they really take the "bad beats" well. This was at a $100/$200 no limit game mind you. So please don't even tell me that people with money (or sorry i mean the pro's...lol) don't blame the site. Just because someone has the funds to play high stakes doesn't make them a pro. If i had the funds i'd be a high roller too. There's fish at every level. found the proof October 3, 2005 To set everyone's mind at ease I found the proof [url]http://www.billrini.com/index.php/2004/11/30/proof-that-online-poker-is-rigged[/url] This is a must see for those who question online poker legitimacy, it is quite shocking, sorry to disappoint some of you. stopwhiningorstopplaying October 3, 2005 All I'm saying is that everyone has a different version of the fraud that is occurring... they cannot all be true... therefore some (or all) of the allegations must be false... And it's too bad that ever since Enron no one trusts any large business and immediately assumes that they must be cheating / stealing... And as was said above, "Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not going on".... the inverse must be true as well... Just because you don't see it does not mean IT IS going on... No one has any proof except for some bad beats from bad players, and if the two sites mentioned above have been busted, then don't you think other sites might be more careful as there is obviously some doubt as to the legitimacy of all poker sites... I'm sure after Enron many large businesses were more careful about their finances and reluctant to commit any fraud... I understand people steal because of greed and stupidity, but they do it without anyone knowing (until they get caught of course), yet it seems with PP there are so many people crying fraud, and if what people are saying is true it seems too obvious... fraud usually goes undetected and if PP wanted to steal from the players there are many foolproof ways they could do so without giving anyone a chance to complain... also the only people who complain are low-limit amateurs... I have read every post on here and not a single one comes from someone who plays very high stakes poker online, my hypothesis is that people who play high stakes understand the game and the swings that occur, they do not blame the site when they lose... Most amateurs don't realize that even 'pro' players often have a losing year. What makes you people think that you are so good at poker that if you lose $100 it must be because the site is fraudulent. Those who are whining are simply losing poker players.. face it, the game is not for you.... online poker October 3, 2005 Look pal. Just because I have a feeling that certain sites get away with dealing cards to induce betting and get a higher rake, and then ask why they wouldn't do it if they can get away with it I'm a thief? How naive can you be? Maybe you should go back to school since your psycho analysis is way off. You're saying all these people on here saying things may not seem right on party Poker are thieves or cheats? That doesn't make any sense. How can you possibly make such a rash judgement? Who the hell are you? Maybe you actually work for the site. Who the hell knows and who the hell cares. If people believe something is wrong with the RNG on a poker site, they are entitled to express their opinion and shouldn't be judged as thieves or cheats by you. Why would a million dollar corporation steal or cheat? Like the last poster said GREED and STUPIDITY. Just because you don't see it happen doesn't mean it's not going on. One last thing, you stated you make money online by waiting until you have the nuts. Well this just seems illogical to me. There is no way you could make money by waiting until you had the nuts after the river. How many times does that happen? Whenever I play in a casino usually top pair is good and I certainly DON'T have to wait until I have "the nuts" to win a pot. If you're playing that way online it speaks volume of the type of shit that goes on. Get you're facts straight and stop judging people you don't know simply because their opinions are different than yours. Unregistered October 3, 2005 Actually if you knew anything about poker, you would know that great players play like machines. I never mentioned that you don't have to adjust to the players you are playing with, of course you have to. Just referring to the magnitude of cheating. As far as your whole conspiracy thing goes. You really just don't know how the world works. Hmmm... why would a multi billion dollar corporation cheat? Like i mentioned before...Enron..perfect example of greed and stupidity. So don't tell me it doesn't happen. Your proof is right there. So the day these online poker site's go down i'll be laughing because it will happen soon enough. Also you can do some research and find that two sites (Pro Poker, Choice Poker) have already been shut down in the past year for software that proved to be, well, not so legit. Also, they had workers playing alongside you. And guess what they knew while they were playing alongside you????? THE CARDS YOU WERE DEALT. So there's your proof. Cheating does happen and has happened. So i guess, well, it's not a conspiracy at all. Unregistered October 3, 2005 I wasn't calling anyone specific a thief, I'm simply wondering why people would say, "why wouldn't they cheat if they could get away with it?" You might as well assume that someone who makes that statement renders their own personality transparent... I wouldn't ask a question like that because I can immediately think of reasons why someone would not cheat, especially a multi-million (or billion) dollar business. Unregistered October 3, 2005 The most appealing thing about a conspiracy is that it cannot be disproved... introductory logic teaches that one cannot prove that something does not exist, so people will always cry fraud and cheater and they don't need proof... perhaps because there is no proof Unregistered October 3, 2005 If you know anything about poker you should know that your play is always adjusted based on who is at the table, that is why a good strategy in casinos is to pick your table carefully.... same goes for online play... the more you know about certain players the more you may need to adjust your play based on what you think they might be doing... and I never said in the previous post that I accomodate my play for online cheaters, because if they are out there I have never been taken by them or have just been lucky to avoid them...I only accomodate for certain fish and take careful notes on anyone I play... Unregistered October 3, 2005 There's a difference between being smart & having common sense and being a thief. Last post makes no sense. I'm not a thief nor do i think like one. I just have a functioning brain. Also, you shouldn't have to adjust your play to accomodate the online cheating, and "fish". That kinda proves something is fishy by simply stating that. In real life i adjust nothing, i play how i play and win a lot. Unregistered October 3, 2005 It's frightening to read how many people say things such as "why wouldn't they do it if they can get away with it"... I can think of a million reasons why a big business would want to be legit (more $ in the longrun, as opposed to criminal charges in the short term).... sure there might be a few bad apples in any big business, but all it takes is one whistle blower. So then, where is that one person with proof of fraud who might be a real honest person? It seems that most people are simply dishonest, including the people posting on here... some of these posts sound like they are directly from fraudulent thieves, half of the people complaining are stating that they would cheat and that's why they assume others are cheating. (why wouldn't they cheat?) Cheaters and thieves always think everyone around them is like them. I also have to wonder, if I wanted to create a fraudulent poker site to make money, how would I do it... well for one, I wouldn't make it as obvious as the fraud that people claim is occurring... and what exactly are people saying? That PP pays shills to fire up the game? *happens in a casino* Or is it that PP has payed players who can see all the cards? *that wouldn't explain why a player would call an all-in with K-7 against K-K* Or is it that PP pays players who know what cards are going to come up on the board? *highly unlikely as a hacker could access the same info if it is available to someone* Or is it that PP creates action flops for a higher rake? *rarely necessary as the rakes are capped and usually are for most hands* ... No one seems to know exactly what is wrong, just that 'something' is wrong.... All of these allegations cannot be true simultaneously... therefore, something is rotten in the accusations themselves. So if I wanted to make a fraudulent poker site, I would quickly realize there is no reason to do so. Just create the software and let it run itself. Online gaming sites make about 25% profit vs. B&M casinos 8%. Real casinos have more of a reason to cheat than online casinos if you think like that. I also think that with all the 'pro' players out there with utmost respect for the game of poker, someone by now would have uncovered fraud if it existed and come clean to the public... If you don't think so, perhaps you are the dishonest one, because if you were behind anything fraudulent you would obviously not be the whistleblower... but there are still honest people out there. Until someone in the mainstream uncovers the supposed fraud, I will continue to play online poker, for I have never seen anything so suspect as to cry fire in a crowded theater... I accept the bad beats and wait for the nuts (and the nuts for me is not a hand that can still lose on the river when I have the goods after the turn) Go ahead and call me naive, but I win online so I have no reason to complain... I've simply adjusted my play to catch the myriad of fish online online poker October 3, 2005 All I can say is the two so called "big" sites of Ultimate Bet and Party Poker have so many players because of advertising. Both of these sites will tell you their RNG is legit and unfortunately there is no way to prove otherwise. If they can ge away with it, why wouldn't they deal and flop cards that induce big pots to increase the rake? Anyone would do it. To the person above. I also love playing in a casino because at least if I take a bad beat there (and maybe that's 1 in 15 or 20 not the 1 in 3 it happens online) at least I know it's legit because it's happening right in front of my eyes. I can see what's going on. On line nobody can see this RNG and therefore nobody will ever know if it's legit or not except the people running the site. You'll see more flushes, straights, boats, quads and even straight flushes on line in one hour than you will at a casino in 12. People will say you play more hands per hour online than in a casino and that's true but thats no excuse. Play online at your own risk and expect the unexpected to be the usual. People Stop being NAIVE!!!!! October 3, 2005 Does the world live in a bubble or something? After playing at a lot of these sites i have come to a conclusion....They are all set up and fixed to make more money. DUHHHHH!! Are You people that stupid? I love how one person said, "Party Poker and UB are already big sites. None of these online poker sites would put their reputation in jeapordy". That was the funniest. Hey, one word....ENRON!!! Yes they may be big companies with good reputations, but GREED always wins in the end. They prey on stupid shits like you people who say, "Oh they're all legit". WAKE UP. Derek October 3, 2005 I called customer service after taking my 5th bad beat in a row in a tournament. First one pre flop all in KK vs K7, 2) AJ vs J10 (after flop JAK turn 8 river Queen) 3) 66 vs 89 (after flop 356 turn A river 7) 4) Pre flop all in 88 vs A2 (I could've lived with this one if it wasn't my 4th bad beat in a row after going all in) finally the one that knocked me out and the most ridiculous of all it still makes me laugh, I had 99 of in big blind flop 9 9 J two clubs I go all in get called guy has KQ of clubs turn 4 river ao of CLUBS! That pissed me off so I called up just to see how they're RNG worked and how they could tell me it's honest with hands like that constantly happening on a regular basis. After givig me the run around for about 5 minutes the guy just hung up on me. What an ASSHOLE! You can play on any other site and it will be better than this piece of shit. I just asked for a simple expanation and all they tell me is bad beats happen. I asked the last 5 times someone went all in against me I took a bad beat? It shouldn't happen 5 times in a row. 2 out of 5 is pushing it. I'll NEVER put money into this site again. A true scam artist is party poker. Constant full houses, straights, flushes, quads. You will almost never see top pair walk in party poker. 90% of their hands have a straight or flush draw not to mention the ridiculous amount of times the board is paired (especially in Omaha) Try ANY other site besides this one. Unregistered October 3, 2005 I love how people try to justify that a site is legit by saying, "Well the pros play there". First of all there is no such thing as a pro anymore. There are a FEW exceptions, but generally those days are well over thanks to the internet. Anyone who endorses a site is basically an average dickhead who had a lot of money thrown in his face by the website to endorse their product. Duh. If someone threw hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars in your face, would you take the money? Of course you would. Now getting back to the "pros". What really is considered a pro? Well, after watching the world series of poker for the past couple of years i have a conclusion on what a pro is. A pro is basically a rich shithead who has a lot of money and wants to enter the world series of poker and be a "pro" (i.e. Ben Affleck.) I mean lets face it, there are some great players that will never see the wsop because of a lack of bankroll. Another type of "pro" is the someone who knows absolutely nothing about the game of poker, spends $40 on a satellite tournament, wins a seat at wsop, gets lucky the WHOLE entire tournament, and wins the whole thing (i.e. Chris Moneymaker). Now to fully understand exactly how little he knows about the game, buy his video, or better yet burn it off the internet. Why give the stupid lucky shithead more money, right? Chunk October 3, 2005 I want to know why every post for every other site is claiming the same fraud.... read the posts for UB, they say the same thing about that site... PokerStars, same thing.... Everyone seems to have their favorite site and they think the other sites are fraudulent... Seems that either everyone is cheating or no one is cheating, and given Occam's razor I believe the latter. Perhaps the problem is the RNG, any computer generated RNG is pseudo-random, a computer cannot truly be random... However, I see the same bad beats in home games when people call to the river... people play low stakes online poker as if it's a home game, the more amateurs the more bad beats you get... seems difficult to win consistently at low stakes on any site. And I didn't mean to get your panties in a bunch EATSHITPP, and I would play you online if I had the dough, unfortunately I do not... Sure, you're better at poker than me... I hope that makes you feel better... but that doesn't change my opinion that most or all of the poker sites are completely legit... everyone has the same complaints about every site, just read the posts of every site and you'll see. Just because Mike Sexton is 'only a spokesperson' does not mean he isn't putting his reputation on the line as a representative, I don't think he would do that if there were any doubt as to the legitamcy of PP... TD Watershed October 3, 2005 I've been reading these posts here. Now I'm not getting mad or complaining about anything. I justb happen to agree with most of the reviewers here. I actually left this site about $50 ahead of course I was up around $300 at one time. I've seen all the beats people talk about. I've had them work for and against me but it seems it happens every hand, especially in OMaha. If you have the nut straight or flush on the turn, you're guaranteed the river will pair the board giving someone a boat or better yet quads. On other sites you don't need the nuts to win all the time on Party Poker you do. To the guy above; how can you tell someone they don't know how to play unless you've seen him/her play. That goes for anyone. Everyone has an opinion and just because they don't agree with you doesn't mean they don't know how to play. Get over yourself. For people looking for a quality site I suggest Paradise Poker or Full Tilt. Eat shit PP October 3, 2005 I figured as much fatty. Mike Sexton is an announcer LOL. He doesn't play on there. I knew you didn't have the sack to play me heads up at a more legitimate site. Simply because you WON'T catch all the shit you chase on Ub like you do at PP. Party Poker is 80% luck 20% skill. I don't really give a shit what you say. 70% of the reviews of this site are negative. I'm not the only one. The reason I play there is because I have a shit load of points. I only play in the freeroll tourney's until all my points are gone. Read an above post Party Poker Blows. He must've done some stats. He says AA wins about 65% of the time on Party Poker. I think he's being generous. Fact is people that complain about this site are GOOD players that are sick of being sucked out on the river by lousy players that make bad bets and bad calls and get lucky. When someone puts you all in pre flop and you have AA you're going to call. When they turn over K9 and flop comes J 10 Q or K K J, perhaps 9, 7, 8, turn J river K. It's going to piss people off. Not because they took a bad beat but because it CONSTANTLY happens at Party Poker. One last thing, don't tell me that I don't have a clue on how to play the game when you don't have the balls to play me straight up. You've never seen me play. I guess the 70-80% of the people saying Party Poker is junk don't know how to play either right? Read all the post. Decided to quit PartyPoker.com! October 3, 2005 I've quit playing at party poker.com!!!!Thanks for all the input guys!It has helped my decesion!The way I figure it is:Sure you're gonna get bad beats...But keep in mind if you get a bad beat... some one else is getting LUCKY!!!Why should I sit there getting bad beat after bad beat after bad beat and some one else is getting lucky, getting lucky, getting lucky??Why should I?I shouldn't, you're right!That's why I have taken your advice and I have quit playing on party poker.comI feel happy!!!!!EVERYBODY....Quit playing there...Wise up...If you wanna play No limit...Play in a live game and keep your eyes on the dealer...Don't trust some guy in India or at the Rock of Gibralter to do the shuffling!!!!QUIT PLAYING AT PARTYPOKER.COM!!!!YOU'LL BE THANKFUL YA DID!!:) Unregistered October 3, 2005 One other thing Fatty. What professional plays at Party Poker?????????????????? NONE! I wonder why dumb ass. Ultimate Bet,Full Tilt, Shit ev