ONLINE POKER - SITE - Full Tilt

[bad_dog76]

LMMFAO! WoW! Mr. Kromer certainly is a "winning" player LOL!

[mrkromer]

Yeah, the Huck Seed thing was a joke of course you idiot.

And sharkscope only tracks sit n gos you dumbass. God you all are stupid.

mike

[nitemare6]

why are you getting so defensive mrkromer!??? I wasn't trying to embarass you; but when someone is defending a poker site like full rigged tilt it is more credible when they have played for big bucks AND/or can demonstrate that they play winning poker on a rigged non-random site OVER A LONGER TIME FRAME (as we all agree that in the short run anyone can suckout some dollars ON FRT ....!)

[bad_dog76]

LOL @ Mr.Kromer, who states he is a constant winner on FTP, and the stats show otherwise. He gets defensive and starts calling names LMAO!

Kromer, we'll just agree, to disagree on the whole thought of online poker being "random"

[mrkromer]

Fair enough, but you do realize that sharkscope only records sit n go information, right?

mike

[simo1981]

yes we all know that and there is no site that records cash game stats, right? so we will just have to believe you when u state next that u made $1.2 mill off gus hansen in your lunch break then a further $3.5mill of erik lindgren while u were taking a dump.

[mrkromer]

Lol, you guys are too much. Okay, here's my stats for online only:

Sit no gos: down about $800
MTTs: up about $2100, mostly from one big tournament 2nd place finish
Cash games: up about $240, just started playing these over the last few months.

Biggest win: $2245 in a 2254 person $10 tournament, 2nd place
Biggest loss: $185 in one hand at 1/2 nl cash game on FT.

[nitemare6]

I lost $800 in one hand playing Gavin Smith 5/10 (who at the time was using another name and avatar). This was not an all-in hand b.t.w. This was before I knew that 2p did not hold up on Full Rigged !

[kkk777]

Mr Kromer
My point was not that I lost w A 10 vs A J - point is that the odds are skewed.
The amount of times that 2 players hold an ace and one comes on the flop is just completely exaggerated. (Are there 2 gs in exaggerated - don't want anyone to get angry because of my speeeling.)

I am exactly even in real money after a year and a half on the site.
The really awful thing is that I have won the most money by making the worst plays.

[online_suckas!]

all online poker sites have built in to the programming to deal out huge action hands to promote quicker table turnover. its just that simple. whoever says they dont need to rig it they make enough have no clue how greedy these people are, they spends hundreds of thousands a dollar a day on sex drugs and rock and roll baby.

[nitemare6]

so I plyed in my nightly freeroll and I see 8 hands all night and then make a few good plays AND actually have 63 hold up (pair of 3s and gut shot) when I bet all-in and get a donk call with3s and loser kicker!! So I make it to 25/360 and get AQ and rasie 4x bb with 3 callers - flop KAx. I bet 1/2 pot and get a call from one player. Now I figure the guy for Ks. Turn is X. Ok!! I figure I will win this hand so I bet about 500 and get just a call. Now I know he has a K. SOOOoooooo now its the famous F-rigged-T RIVER card. Anyone guess what it was?!! Of course I am sure it made no difference that I had less chips than average and he was a large stack. Total scam poker. Not because he sucked out a K but because this crap happens over and over. I put hte guy on the exact hand he has, I know I can't get him out so I value bet to raise the pot in case an A or Q hits and by the turn I am a HUGE favorite going into river (88/12)!!!This is the kind of TOTAL BS that makes playing on F-Rigged-T impossible for me. I can beat other players and I can bluff otu other players but I can't beat a rigged system where no matter what you do you lose to two-outers over nad over again...... like in the above example.

[nitemare6]

So I play one more 360 freeroll on F-R-T. I'm in 10th position out of 26. Dealt Qs- BB = 3000. I call PF and get two other calls. Ok maybe I should have rasied or pushed. Flop comes 228. Two players bet and I push all in for 23K which gets all players to fold except short stack calling with 83 and 7000 chips. Guess what card comes on the turn to crack my Qs. Another f-cking (2) TWO outer is dealt to give the 83 player - trips. Good news it was a freeroll; bad news it's no fun to play better than most donks in a tournament like this and have more experience yet get taken down by the full rigged tilt TWO outer. It's a total joke!

[bad_dog76]

I cashed out my remaining $176 from WPX tonight (I'll get $9 rake back monday to blow). But I played in a tournament tonight. Yeah, it was a $1 tournament but WPX added $1000 to the prize pool so the winner walked off with around $625. It paid the top 27. I played extremely well, building my chip stack early, and often until I hit an incredible cold streak, in which I didn't see a pocket pair, or two face cards, in a matter of 33 hands.

There's 40 of us left, I have around 7,800 in chips and I'm 20th at this time. Finally, I'm dealt QQ and here's what happens;

***** Hand history (v1.2) *****
Hand ID 139239573
$1 + $1 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - 22:30:35 02/07/2008 ET
Table 'Table 1325801', 10 seats max, Real money
Seat 4 is the button. Small Blind $200, Big Blind $400
Note: seat IDs range from 1 to 10
Seat 1 (playing) : redevile, amount $6109, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 2 (playing) : Rabid_Baticus, amount $7832, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 3 (playing) : bluduster, amount $3689, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 4 (playing) : eagleman_7, amount $7384, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 5 (playing) : hifi, amount $1584, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 6 (playing) : ramashiva, amount $4914, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 8 (playing) : UmassRounder, amount $4829, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 9 (playing) : redruuuum, amount $7518, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 10 (playing) : gj, amount $15561, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
hifi: Small Blind ($200)
ramashiva: Big Blind ($400)
** Dealing Down Cards **
Dealt to Rabid_Baticus: [Qc, Qh]
UmassRounder: Fold
redruuuum: Raise ($1200)
gj: Fold
redevile: Fold
Rabid_Baticus: Raise ($4000)
bluduster: Fold
eagleman_7: Fold
hifi: Fold
ramashiva: Fold
redruuuum: Raise ($7493)
Rabid_Baticus: Call ($3493)
Rabid_Baticus: Show Cards ($0)
redruuuum: Show Cards ($0)
** Dealing Flop **
Community cards: [Kd, Ac, Ad]
** Dealing Turn **
Community cards: [Th]
** Dealing River **
Community cards: [Ah]
** End Round **
** Evaluate **
redruuuum: Show Cards ($0)
Rabid_Baticus: Show Cards ($0)
** Showdown **
Main pot $15811, Rake $0
Summary Rabid_Baticus: bet $7493, won $0, net $-7493, HoleCards [Qc, Qh]
Summary redruuuum: bet $8693, won $15811, net $7118, HoleCards [Js, As], HiHand [four of a kind, aces] [As, Ah, Ad, Ac, Kd], won $15811 from main pot

LMAO! Not only does this guy hit a fucking 3 outer to beat me, he gets all 3 LMAO!!!!!!!!!! LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!

I let this donk know he made an awful play. Any, average, poker player would know that when someone, re-raises you by over 3 times your raise, (and I played tight) that AJ is a throw away hand. But, I mean why not. This DONK puts all his chips at risk with AJ LMAO!
I told him "Awful call!" and he proceeded to ask someone at the table "was it?" to which someone, simply responded, "YES!".

I'll continue to play freerolls there, but I'll make sure I play like a complete idiot, since it's obvious online poker caters to that sort of play. Don't be surprised if I'm back showing you how I called an all in with K4(s) and busted KK LOL! I'm done throwing away money. That type of shit just makes poker really unenjoyable, and it's ruining the game for me. I'm done!

[kkk777]

Does anyone have problems winning at play chips after playing cash for a while?
I was up to 23 million play chips and after I play real money for a while and return to play chips - I cannot win a hand.
Can go 70 hands without best hand.
I am now down to a million and just flabbergasted because the play is so awful normally

[mrkromer]

The home game I play in on Mondays had a hand like that qq vs. AJ, except it was 66 vs. AJ. The girl with AJ raises from 30 to 180, the guy with 66 puts her all in; he's pretty familiar with her play style, she sits for a good 5 solid minutes and then calls, doesn't hit anything, and walks out in disgust. The funny thing was she had to come back because she still had about 200 chips left. But I'm with you on AJ, it's a crap hand in most situations and so many people just can't get off of it pre-flop. Come to think of it, when I first started playing I don't know that I folded it much either... lol

mike

[kkk777]

well this is really odd and i have no idea what it means. It has happened 9 times in a row so it has to mean something, but i have no idea what.
When i sit down at a table the hand that is dealt before I get dealt in has had 4 of a suit on the board.
That cannot just be circumstance - but ???

[bad_dog76]

Hey mike, glad to see we agree on something lol!

But yeah, AJ is a good hand to raise with (especially in late position) but if someone comes over the top of you, you have to realize that AJ is beaten by so many hands, and (much like my AQ up above) there are much better places to put all your chips in the pot.

I just found it funny that they guy would get quad aces though LOL! I mean how many times can possibly run into quads.
And hell, at least 66 vs AJ is a coin flip. QQ vs AJ, QQ is 73% to win.

[mrkromer]

I've probably seen quads in a game 4 times in the last 3 years, that's live.

Online, I've probably seen them 25 times or so in that same period. And flushes online? Wow, they are so regular I'm scared to death of a suited board.

P.S., play AJ everytime in blackjack. lol

mike

[bad_dog76]

<<P.S., play AJ everytime in blackjack. lol>>

LOL! Thanks for the tip

[simo1981]

Found this whilst browsing a forum. its probably rigged but the chat is priceless: [url]http://www.wtfpokerstars.ytmnd.com/[/url]

[bad_dog76]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!! LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!

That was awesome Simo!

Love the song too!

[simo1981]

Hey I assume all you full tilt players get the regular emails "Tips from the Pros". Well the latest one is from Full tilt pro Jordan 'iMsoLucky0' Morgan, regarding moving from online play to live play. Well after i sharkscoped him, id LOVE to play him live!!!! LMFAO.

[Ant8472]

I would have expected my luck to turn around a bit after a month solid of bad beats but my awful luck continues. The only reason I persevere with FT is because living in Australia, the only site that has a good large tournament around the $10 mark is FT. It is difficult to ignore the Daily Doubles and the Midnight Madness.
Today my sour luck continued. It gets so frustrating I want to pull my hair out. Opponents seem to always catch cards. Not sometimes, but always. If I get AK someone has KK or AA. Playing well and reading hands makes no difference. *And you can't slow play for the life of you*.
Slow playing a great hand is a profitable move, especially if you can fold a hand that is beaten. On FT you cannot slow play. Your opponent will always catch. For instance, I had two pair on a flop with no straight or flush draws. I slow played it. My opponent had A9 after the flop. He basically had nothing. He got runner runner nines. When I saw 99 on the board I knew he had a 9 in his hand. He put in a third pot bet and with two pair, one is correct to play. On FT you always have to be suspicious. You can't trust anything that happens on that site.
I have been losing constantly for a month on this site, yet I played in one solitary tournament on Bodog with 196 people and came 4th. The difference is stark. People will fold on other sites. They don't always catch their cards.
The way I see it, you have to adjust your game entirely on FT. Playing correct or skilled poker based on probabilities is not an option if you want to make a profit on FT. The only way is to be patient and make sure you have your opponent beat before you call their all in. I have learnt that I can't take their big overbet as a bluff or a bad play. Usually, on FT it means they have a made monster hand. I often find myself calling these kinds of bets because it doesn't make intuitive probabilistic sense that they keep catching their cards, but sure enough, they did catch that lucky card and knock you out.
I have sent them emails and I am unable to discover any ombudsman, or independent regulatory body that I can turn to to lodge a complaint or an enquiry. One is entirely at the mercy of the site and we play entirely at our own peril.
I never seem to get a personalised response when I complain about the incessant bad luck I get. Just broad sweeping template letters about how it is not rigged and to think you are getting a bad deal on the cards is a perceptual thing. Bullshit I say. I can see the difference.
I've started playing at the casino in the last few months and the difference in the distribution of luck is clear to me. Bad beats happen but not as often, even when taking into account the greater frequency of cards. Furthermore, statistically, a player will improve their hand on average one time in three on the flop. On FT it seems to be more like 95% of the time that a player improves on his hand.

[simo1981]

Its true, AA, KK QQ etc is all in pre flop so the bloke holding 3 7 has to bet his whole stack to catch 4 5 and on the river 6. Often they will call it anyway so what can you do.

[Ant8472]

Full Tilt is ridiculous. I can't win a sit'n'go anymore. I've been knocked out on the bubble 4 times in a row in S't'n'go's and haven't made the money in about 10. I used to make the money, on average, twice every 5 times, 40%. When I was a complete beginner I was doing better than I am now.
I've had it with Full Tilt. I've got $5 left in my account. After I piss it up against another rigged game I will give FT a rest for about a month or two. It sounds like hogwash but some people I've spoken to swear that if you stay off for about a month your luck is restored.

[nitemare6]

so I play in a freeroll again tonight after not playing on the rigged site for a few days. Holding my own even though I get no cards while all kinds of donks are winning hands that they ought not to even be in or not win at all. Of course I finally get AKs and have a guy raise 4X bb - I re-raise 600 and the donk comes with an all-in bet of 14000 chips to my 4100. He was playing like a donk earlier so I dont put him on AA. Well he has AJos vs. my AKs. Now this guy is a sure rank newbie since he overvalued AJ which is a comon play of newbies, particularly after I re-rasied. In fact some players might have layed it down rather than go heads-up agasint the re-raiser in a heads-up pot. Nope! Not this typical F-rigged-tilt donk. So what is the flop? Well of coures it ain't a K or an A. Nope. It's xxJ and then two small cards. So I lose to a donk that was dominated and should not even have bet all-in to begin with!! Total scam poker site. But at least it didn't cost be anything.

[kkk777]

is just clearly rigged so bad players win.
Played a bunch of $10, 90 player sngs

on every all in - w 3 or more players - 10 9 os, Q 8, whatever awful hand
it always

[mrkromer]

This one seemed a bit odd, I sat at a .50/1 6 handed cash game where max buy in is $100. One person at the table has over $500, so I'm leary. 3rd hand I get AA, all in against a different guy with KK, aces held up so I win $105 right off the bat. 2 hands later, I have AA again, 2 raises in front of me, I reraise from $4 to $17, the huge stack calls. Flop is garbage with 2 spades, I bet out $40, call. Turn spade, I bet $80, call. River, J diamonds, I'm all in, guy calls, had q10 spades for turned flush.

3 other hands he won while I was still sitting, his 34 turned quads against a flush, his 99 against jj rivered a straight, and his A3 against KK hit trip 3s on flop.

He had over $750 when I stood. It was ridiculous.

mike

[nitemare6]

OK. so I played in a $1 45/SNG. Of course I get dealt a three 8 out of the first 15 hands - literally. No joke. Anyway I am down to 1000 chips after 30 hands of being card dead and I get A6. I called a 3x BB raise and >>>tell the guy in chat that I have A6 suited - LOL! So the turn comes and he checks. Ok? So I go all in. Guess what? I got him beat like I thought. He has Qx and I got A6. Anyone have a guess what the river was (you only get ONE guess?) Of course I am sure it had nothing to do with me being short stacked. Oh no! On Full Rigged Tilt joker poker??? Come on!!!!

[nitemare6]

yes - he called -- even after I told him what I had and he knew I was best into the river.