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[VA Poker]

whatodds,

All any of YOUR HEM stats show is YOUR results. YOUR results are a microscopic sample of FTP. All you can logically conclude from YOUR results is that you have been outdrawn more than you should have been. Thats all it shows. If you had results of every single hand played on FTP, showing the same thing, then you could say you have some sort of proof FTP is rigged. Do you think every other player on FTP has the exact same stats as you? Will you not even take into consideration that maybe, just maybe, there are some players on FTP that have been drawn out on less than they should have been? I'm not disputing anything you are saying. However, by the laws of logic, all you are showing is that you have been unlucky on FTP. I would venture to say that probably 30-40% of players are using some sort of tracking system these days. If all of those players had the same results as you, do you really think they'd still play on FTP? I'm not trying to prove you wrong. I'm just pointing out that you are extremely adamant about something you have no way of making any sort of educated guess about. Everyone on both sides of this argument, including myself, have done the same thing from time to time. My side of the argument cannot be proved anymore than your side, thats why I at least admit I don't KNOW.

[VA Poker]

Originally Posted by what odds

I'm sorry, stats are stats, doesn't matter if they are mine, yours, the Pope's, it doesn't matter.

I have a significant sample of hands that show a ridiculous increase in percentages of flushes and straights whenever the PFR flops two pair, trips or a set...that just so happen to coincide with a flush being made on the turn or river when PFR has flopped top set etc...it happens too much.

It is not coincidence, just no, I try for two seconds to conceede this and agree with you but I just cannot do it because logic SHOULD prevail.

All it takes is some logic and common sense.

Surely someone else here has HEM for FFS?

People are quick enough to defend this site but I am offering filters to prove it is rigged and no one has HEM or has the nounce to even run the filters and see it with their own eyes.

I can't believe no one has run these filters before and brought them to light.

Logic???
You claim to have a significant sample. I would bet my life that your sample isn't even a 10,000th of a percent of FTP's total hands dealt. That means you have NO KNOWLEDGE of 99.9999% of the total hands on FTP. Do you really think its logical to claim to know something is rigged when you have no knowledge of 99.9999% of the total hands dealt there. Do you think there are no players on FTP that have been drawn out on LESS than they should have? You talk about logic and proof. All you can logically prove is that you have been drawn out on more than you should have been on FTP. Thats all you can prove. I'm not even saying you are wrong, I'm just saying you don't have sufficient evidence to make even an educated guess, much less to claim proof.

BTW there is a very very good reason no one has "brought this to light". If someone tried to take some sort of legal action against FTP, claiming to have proof its rigged, because they were drawn out on more than they should have been based on a hand sample of less than .00001% of FTP's total hands, that person would be counter sued and FTP would take everything they have. You can't legally claim to have proof of something when, in fact, you have no way of proving anything. If you are so sure you are right and your proof is logical, why don't you try bringing it to light?




Billy Tk,
I totally agree with your post. It sums up my position perfectly. That IS the problem. That is why I don't claim to know whether or not FTP is rigged and have stated that none of us do and all we can do is trust our info and instincts to decide whether or not its a good place for us to play. I've always opposed people who claim its rigged. Not because I know its not, but because I do know that they don't have enough info to make any sort of educated guess on the matter.

[greencaravan]

Originally Posted by VA Poker

Logic???
You claim to have a significant sample. I would bet my life that your sample isn't even a 10,000th of a percent of FTP's total hands dealt. That means you have NO KNOWLEDGE of 99.9999% of the total hands on FTP. Do you really think its logical to claim to know something is rigged when you have no knowledge of 99.9999% of the total hands dealt there. Do you think there are no players on FTP that have been drawn out on LESS than they should have? You talk about logic and proof. All you can logically prove is that you have been drawn out on more than you should have been on FTP. Thats all you can prove. I'm not even saying you are wrong, I'm just saying you don't have sufficient evidence to make even an educated guess, much less to claim proof.

BTW there is a very very good reason no one has "brought this to light". If someone tried to take some sort of legal action against FTP, claiming to have proof its rigged, because they were drawn out on more than they should have been based on a hand sample of less than .00001% of FTP's total hands, that person would be counter sued and FTP would take everything they have. You can't legally claim to have proof of something when, in fact, you have no way of proving anything. If you are so sure you are right and your proof is logical, why don't you try bringing it to light?





Billy Tk,
I totally agree with your post. It sums up my position perfectly. That IS the problem. That is why I don't claim to know whether or not FTP is rigged and have stated that none of us do and all we can do is trust our info and instincts to decide whether or not its a good place for us to play. I've always opposed people who claim its rigged. Not because I know its not, but because I do know that they don't have enough info to make any sort of educated guess on the matter.

Not a guy with a lot of words but yeah Full Tilt is Bogus, if you are a good SNG player with any kind of poker instincts and have spent a lot of your online playing time at Full Tilt, 50 plus hours a week, then you know no matter how well you play you will get hacked by a lesser skilled player, the site plays that way and I accept it, I know I will not make money there on a consistant basis, maybe cash every now and then but thats ok, I play there because it is EZ, anytime, anywhere I can log in and have access to all the action I want, thats why I continue to play there. I don't lose more than I can afford so it's all good, though it would be nice to play at a site that does truely deal random cards, they would get my business.