ONLINE POKER - SITE - Full Tilt

[PokerGods]

Originally Posted by simo1981

PokerGods i find it interesting that you have taken the time to personally respond and refute every reaction we all had to your first post. What i find even more unusual is your offer:"""""Give yourself about 3 months of playing this way and if you have a positive ROI and Positive earnings I will deposit $50 into your fulltilt account and if your outcome is negative I want nothing more than you to stop complaining about something you can do nothing about. You can only control yourself and your game. (Proof of sessions and play would be supervised by me or any other full tilt player of my choice). """"". The question im sure all of us are wondering is why are you defending the site to the point where you are putting up your own money to 'prove' its not rigged? I feel that if u didnt have a vested interest (employee, consultant, whatever) in FTP and you genuinely believed what all of us is saying is wrong you would maybe read a few posts roll your eyes laugh to yourself or whatever, not spend what im sure took a lot of time personally and passionately responding to the posts and offering up your hard earned???
What are you gaining by doing this?

I gain nothing and I expect nothing from this forum thats bashing FTP. I like challenges and if you dont agree with what I am saying pay me no mind. If someone speaks to you do you not reply? People are speaking to me so I am replying. I respect your opinion, you can continue believe want you want.

The bet is just to prove a point: the site is not against you, its not luck, its not pokergods, its none of that. Its poker and shit happens, playing poorly doenst and wont make you a winner in the LONG run no matter where you play simo. If I was a employee or someone profiting from full tilt from an investors viewpoint, I wouldnt give a damn because you guys are a very small majority or pecentage of the players that ACTUALLY win/lose $$ there everyday and there will be people who CONTINUE to play there daily regardless of what you believe.

I will continue to make $$ on full tilt taking advantage of poor players and people who continue playing going on tilt thinking that the site/luck/odds are against them. Im throwing myself to the wolves so that maybe my fellow poker players will realize that this type of thinking is erroneous and players should focus on facets and aspects of the game that they can control: their game and mental attitude. Once again I repect your opinion..Good luck at the tables. Get money

[nitemare6]

"kkk777 June 30, 2008 but poker gods - you didnt answer my point about the odds after we tracked 1000 hands I am happy you have degrees. Mom must be proud">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kkk777 that was my reply to pokergods about the "degrees" (LOL). I asked him what his credentials are and so far he has not replied.

[nitemare6]

You ever notice how when anyone defends Full rigged tilt or any onlne venue they always give broad brush genarlizations about how poker is random and this crap happens in live games, blah blah blah. BUT one thing you never hear... (or see) is the online poker sites (like full rigged joker poker) making a full and complete and candid audit and disclosure of its RNG system to show with more accuracy and to establish credibility that they are using a dealing generator that mirrors what anyone would expect to find in any home game or casino game with a live dealer and a so-called RANDOM deck!! Why don't they do this? The answer is obvious. Think about it. We allege full tilt is guilty of fraud or collusion or of juicing hands or of just not offering true random poker hands and they repeatedly say "well why do we (should we) audit our RNG or do anything to verify that we offer a random dealing system, or prove that it is not PROGRAMMED in any manner to deal a certain way to benefit our sites (rakes) or any other player(s) AND is not subject to tampering. Would you think this is what a credible business would do!! It's like asking why Neil Entwistle fled to the UK after he found his wife and bay dead in January of 2006 rather than calling 911. The answer is obvious, he killed his wife and bay and didn't want to get caught. Thus FRP doesn't offer an audited RNG because it would apparently show that they do not deal random poker hands!!!!!!!!!!! So, unless and until FTP offers a full disclosure and proof (and NO we "skeptical players" dont have any burden of proving that full rigged tilt is RIGGED we can offer personal anecdotal eveidence i.e. circumstantial evidence to make our case) I know that it is most likely a rigged poker site. The burden is on them to show that they are using a fair and random system that in NO way skews hands or uses action cards or in any other way programs hands such that it inures to their benefit OR the benefit of house players or shills or whatever you wish to call them to enable them to take (steal) monies from other good players with these REPETITIVE improbable suckouts and river cards and runner runner runner runner suck-outs that we see FAR TO OFTEN, imho. When we see guys repeatedly calling large raises with J7os or K3 or Q3 etc. etc. etc. OUT OF POSITION in situations where no one else on the planet would call AND THEN hitting the winning hand over and over again.... as I have observed over 5 years, it becomes highly suspicious. Sorry but this DOES NOT happen WITH THE FREQUENCY that it does on Full rigged Tilt in any live game NO MATTER how long a time frame you observe. But Full Rigged Tilt does NOT offer any statistical proof for its paying customers because THEY CANNOT and (let us not forget) they are not subject to any governmental overisght or regulatory body of the USA at this time so they can get away with this BS. So Full Rigged Tilt Joker Poker............... instead of coming on here or any forum with b.s. from your PR people............ simply offer mathematical PROOF that Full Rigged Tilt's dealing system is random. Its really THAT SIMPLE!!!!!!!!!!

[nitemare6]

Hell, just this past Saturday, at friends house, my AA was cracked by 34, when he flopped trips. Did I complain? I know that can happen. However, that was the ONLY time all night in which my 7:1 preflop hand lost, and there were, at least, a dozen times in which I had an over pair to 2 under cards>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>this is EXACTLY the point bad_dog! It is not THAT BAD BEATS HAPPEN>>>> it is that they happen over and over and over on Full Rigged Tilt. In fact good and strong hands (starting and/or after flop improves them) which then haave powerful odds in favor of HOLDING UP.............. WAY TOO OFTEN lose on this scam site!

[mrkromer]

I'm not sure which way I'm swinging on this debate yet, but here's some funny crap that happened in a Poker Stars sit n go yesterday

$10 + $1 18 person sit n go

I did not get a pp the entire sit no go until the last hand, when I won the whole thing. Pocket 9s vs. k7; they held of course.

The hands I chose to go all in with that were WAY behind: 810 vs ak, hit a 10, 8q suited vs. kk, flopped straight, 910 vs AJ, rivered 9, and 22 vs. AA turned a set. I'm telling you, it wasn't just me either. Others were consistently catching under cards to suck out. 2 hands in a row a guy goes all in with a10 vs. aj and then a9 vs. a8, first hand they split with an AA555 board, second hand guy pairs his 9, then 4 spades on board to go with 8 of spades for flush. WTF??!!?!

[bad_dog76]

I've just started observing some hands today. Now granted, this is an extremely small sample size, but the last 8 showdowns pre-flop I saw are as follows; (this is on WSEX's poker site)

88 vs Q6 - 88 wins
A10d vs JJ - A10 wins
AQd vs KK - AQ wins with river diamond
AQ vs KK - AQ wins
AK vs 99 - AK wins
QQ vs 99 -QQ wins
AA vs K10c - K10 wins, board goes like this flop K810 Turn 8 River 10
AK vs AQh - AQ wins board goes this way flop Ks 7h Kd, turn 8h, river jh

now why is it that, with the exception of AK vs 99 (in which 99 is 56% favorite) EVERY hand the favorite is, at least 72% to win, yet 6 out of 8 dogs won?
Shoudln't the odds point the other way?

Why the hell would ANYONE want to play online garbage when the best hand NEVER holds up like it should.

[PokerGods]

Originally Posted by bad_dog76

I've just started observing some hands today. Now granted, this is an extremely small sample size, but the last 8 showdowns pre-flop I saw are as follows; (this is on WSEX's poker site)

88 vs Q6 - 88 wins
A10d vs JJ - A10 wins
AQd vs KK - AQ wins with river diamond
AQ vs KK - AQ wins
AK vs 99 - AK wins
QQ vs 99 -QQ wins
AA vs K10c - K10 wins, board goes like this flop K810 Turn 8 River 10
AK vs AQh - AQ wins board goes this way flop Ks 7h Kd, turn 8h, river jh

now why is it that, with the exception of AK vs 99 (in which 99 is 56% favorite) EVERY hand the favorite is, at least 72% to win, yet 6 out of 8 dogs won?
Shoudln't the odds point the other way?

Why the hell would ANYONE want to play online garbage when the best hand NEVER holds up like it should.

Mad_dog I respect your knowledge but its that type of thinking and wording that gives people a false perspective of the game:

Your words example - I just played in a tournament. I have AQ in the cutoff blinds are 100/200., I have 2850 in chips I raise to 600. Guy to my immediate left goes all in for 2770. I call (putting him on 1010 or JJ) I call. He has 10 10 (ok it's a coin flip) Flop AQK now, before the turn and the river are dealt, I predict a Jack on the river. What do you think the river is? Exactly!

Here you made a marginal call with the WORST hand. Your opponent held the BEST or BETTER hand and in the end his BETTER hand held up, so when you say the best hand NEVER holds up you are not stating the facts. Flip the situation and if you had of won (with the worst hand) this hand we wouldnt even have been reading about it here. I guarantee it, but thats what im saying: like online_suckas! stated (basically) you got to know when to FOLD em and when to HOLDEM. Thats the game my friend and fellow poker player. If the cards are going cold and you recognize things not going right leave the game at first moments notice. This takes time and discipline, but I GUARANTEE doing this paired with making the right decisions will have you making MORE $$$ than you will LOSE, leaving you positive MORE times than NEGATIVE a HIGHER %%% of the time. Good luck at the tables my friend.

[bad_dog76]

Originally Posted by PokerGods

Mad_dog I respect your knowledge but its that type of thinking and wording that gives people a false perspective of the game:

Your words example - I just played in a tournament. I have AQ in the cutoff blinds are 100/200., I have 2850 in chips I raise to 600. Guy to my immediate left goes all in for 2770. I call (putting him on 1010 or JJ) I call. He has 10 10 (ok it's a coin flip) Flop AQK now, before the turn and the river are dealt, I predict a Jack on the river. What do you think the river is? Exactly!

Here you made a marginal call with the WORST hand. Your opponent held the BEST or BETTER hand and in the end his BETTER hand held up, so when you say the best hand NEVER holds up you are not stating the facts. Flip the situation and if you had of won (with the worst hand) this hand we wouldnt even have been reading about it here. I guarantee it, but thats what im saying: like online_suckas! stated (basically) you got to know when to FOLD em and when to HOLDEM. Thats the game my friend and fellow poker player. If the cards are going cold and you recognize things not going right leave the game at first moments notice. This takes time and discipline, but I GUARANTEE doing this paired with making the right decisions will have you making MORE $$$ than you will LOSE, leaving you positive MORE times than NEGATIVE a HIGHER %%% of the time. Good luck at the tables my friend.

Bro, I already explained, it's not that I lost, it's the way I lost. Like kkk777 said. when a board flops AKQ or 789 you can bet the river will make 4 to a str8 about 45% of the time. I know it was a coin flip going in, I was willing to take that gamble, at that time. It was getting late, I was 2nd to the bottom in chips, and my cards had been terrible. That was my time to make a move. Sure I would've loved to have put my chips in with AA KK AK QQ etc, but when my hands were constantly, J3, J6, 29, 27, K2, 37 etc, I didn't know if I'd see a better hand than AQ anytime soon.
My point was that, after the chips are in the pot, you can almost predict what cards will hit. At that point it's too late to do anythig about it, but I think that if you can predict what will happen, and most of the time it does, it's not very "random" at all.

I'm not going to toot my horn, but I have won a couple of pretty decent size tournies, at Turning Stone Casino where the fields were 178 and 199 respectively, with the buy-in being 90+15. I've also walked away with upwards of $1000 playing at the 100NL cash tables on a few occasions as well. Don't get me wrong, I've lost my share too. But my point is, how can I be so much more successful in live games, and be so unsuccessful in online games? And yes, I do adjust my style of play. In live games I'm much more aggressive with hands like 78 and 89 suited, and I'll slow play much bigger hands live, because the odds someone hitting a draw, seem to be far less than they are online. Originally I played this way, online as well. Only to find that hands like 78 and 89 suited are death traps, because someone would usually have a higher straight or flush.
So I decided to play much tighter, this style, online for the most part, worked initially, and still proves to be the best way for me to play. I play big pots with big hands. I don't raise hands like 88 or 99, because most flops are AQK or KQ10 etc. I will call a raise with those hands, but I will not raise. I play any pocket pair, less than 10's for set value, alone. Because honestly, if I am holding 99 and see a flop such as 237, I'll bet hard, only to be called by someone holding 45, and when the turn is an ace I'm drawing dead.

Regardless, playing tighter than hell online, usually earns me respect, so I am able to bluff at a pot here and there, and take it down. Now I've been behind lots of times when I've gone all in, and lost. But looking at my hand history, on the hands in which I've gotten knocked out of tournaments, or felted in cash games about 75% of the time, I've gotten knocked out with, by far, holding the best hand preflop. I've lost with KK to Q10, QQ to A7, KK to JJ etc etc etc.
This is what's frustrating, I can play all day, win a lot of pots, make a few bucks, then, in one hand, someone gets ridiculous, bets $50 at a $4 pot preflop, when I'm holding AA. Am I not supposed to call there? Of course I call. The cards are turned over, They hold A6 I hold AA, The flop 345x7. What the hell can I do, In one hand all the money I grinded out, is gone because of something like that.

I'm not claiming to be a pro, not even close, but I have a firm grasp on the game, I'm always learning, changing up my style, never getting predictable. It just seems, every online site I've played at, lets me get to a certain bankroll level, and then it doesn't let me go any further. No matter what my cards are, I end up losing, and obviously I'm in one of those funks right now. Flopping 2 pair, only to get beat by a better 2 pair, hitting a blank set, so I go broke, playing KK vs Q6 and losing to 2 pair etc. I know cards go in runs, but I mean come on, It shouldn't be so drastic. Poker is random, therefore anything can happen, but it should happen to the probablity levels it's meant to happen. KK shouldn't hold up against Q6 50% of the time, or even 70% of the time. It should hold up 7 out of 8 hands, and online, when your going bad, it doesn't. I'm sure everyone on here, who feel online poker is injust, gets a sinking feeling in the pit of their stomach when they're all in, pre flop, hold AA aond someone turns over 56, especially when the flop is 349. They just sit there and wait, for the inevitable to happen, the river 7, or better yet, running 66. To me, you shouldn't have to feel that way. When you're holding KK and someone turns over K9, you should feel HAPPY, about it. You should be feeling "I'm gonna double up right here". But no, you feel anxious, and nervous, just waiting to see 9A9 on the flop, or 8J10Q, and, much too high a percentage of the time, that's exactly what you see.

I love the game, I really do. Unfortunately, Turning Stone Casino is 80 miles away, and it's hard to just pack up and run up there everyday at say 8PM.
And being my friends, and I, are married, some of them with children, we can't get together every night, or every weekend, like we could 10 years ago, when we started (started because of "Rounders" like everyone else at that time), so my only option is online poker, like everybody else.

[bad_dog76]

Originally Posted by nitemare6

Hell, just this past Saturday, at friends house, my AA was cracked by 34, when he flopped trips. Did I complain? I know that can happen. However, that was the ONLY time all night in which my 7:1 preflop hand lost, and there were, at least, a dozen times in which I had an over pair to 2 under cards>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>this is EXACTLY the point bad_dog! It is not THAT BAD BEATS HAPPEN>>>> it is that they happen over and over and over on Full Rigged Tilt. In fact good and strong hands (starting and/or after flop improves them) which then haave powerful odds in favor of HOLDING UP.............. WAY TOO OFTEN lose on this scam site!

You're right on the money! If these types of beat didn't happen so frequently, we'd never even be discussing it

[online_suckas!]

anybody who is a member of real poker training can watch todd's 10k rebuy video and he will confirm all you're greatest fears, he talks about action flops and how poker sites use it to promote high table turnover

[online_suckas!]

the key to winning online is recognizing the action flops and knowing when not to go broke.

[bad_dog76]

Here's another typical hand in online poker. Now pokergods you said, I was wrong to call an all-in with AQ am I wrong to call AK in this situation. I'm heads up with this guy at a SnG. Mind you, earlier in the tournament I bluffed him out of a huge pot, and then slow played a full house, over bet the pot on the river and took more chips from him. He broke the 3rd place player when his JJ got lucky against the players KK. So after a few heads up hands, in whic hI beat him every pot we were both in, he went all in once for 4400+ preflop when the blinds were 100/200. I had nothing so I folded and waited for him to pull that shit when I did have something, well about 3 hands later, I had AK, he went all-in with A3, I IMMEDIATELY called and here's what happened;

***** Hand history (v1.2) *****
Hand ID 139125538
$2 + $0.20 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - 21:16:12 30/06/2008 ET
Table 'Table 1324393', 5 seats max, Real money
Seat 4 is the button. Small Blind $100, Big Blind $200
Note: seat IDs range from 1 to 5
Seat 1 (playing) : RigWPXmyway, amount $3070, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
Seat 4 (playing) : dolwick8, amount $4430, amount bet $0, penalty (None)
dolwick8: Small Blind ($100)
RigWPXmyway: Big Blind ($200)
** Dealing Down Cards **
Dealt to RigWPXmyway: [Kh, As]
dolwick8: Raise ($4430)
RigWPXmyway: Call ($2870)
RigWPXmyway: Show Cards ($0)
dolwick8: Show Cards ($0)
** Dealing Flop **
Community cards: [Qd, 2c, 4s]
** Dealing Turn **
Community cards: [9c]
** Dealing River **
Community cards: [3h]
** End Round **
** Evaluate **
RigWPXmyway: Show Cards ($0)
dolwick8: Show Cards ($0)
** Showdown **
Main pot $6140, Rake $0
Side pot #1 $1360, Rake $0
Summary RigWPXmyway: bet $3070, won $0, net $-3070
Summary dolwick8: bet $4530, won $7500, net $2970, HiHand [a pair of threes] [], won $6140 from main pot, won $1360 from side pot #1

It's not that this happened it's the fact that it happend ALL THE FUCKING TIME! What kind of loser puts in 4430 with A3 when the blinds are 100/200. The only way anyone calls you there is if they have a better hand I which I did, to a 76% clip. And please don't tell me he's trying to steal the blind, because 4430 to win 200 is a ridiculous bet. There's NO ODDS to make that play at any time. It's the fact that morons, like this fish, should be getting busted at a regular clip. But NOOOOOO! online poker sites need to keep people like this around, because they'd lose a lot of business since 70% of online players have no clue and would go broke within the 1st week, as they would get CRUSHED, and walk away with their DONKEY tail between their legs.

There's no way, in hell, anyone will EVER convine me that you can get a, fair, probable game, online with a "random" number generator that is OBVIOUSLY not even close to being random. Guess I played that hand wrong, and I guess I'm just unlucky.

[nitemare6]

The site is rigged and offers NON-random poker. All of those players who think they can overcome this and win without any EDGE (meaning all your experience and skill and other nuances or insights and talent that may offer you an edge as good or very good poker players in live games are nullfied by a non-random NG) are kidding themselves and should begin to ask why they are borderline-obsessed on playing rigged online poker!! I have tried all different ways to overcome the rig or skew, as defined by what we have discussed at length here, and it is not doable. I can't play poker on a rigged site where my hands don't hold up in so many varying circumstances that in no way mirror what I or other with experience would expect or find in any live game on the planet!!! "PokerGods" is a charlatan who works at Full Tilt or has some other bias in favor of this rigged site and something to gain. "Full RIGGED Tilt BINGO" is what the site should rightly be called! In my opinion I have ZERO doubt that it is rigged. Zero! Many many others with smarts and poker experience feel the same. Make sure you refer other full Rigged tilt suckers to this URL, if and when you play there.

[nitemare6]

Bad_dog >>> there are even worse examples of rigging than that hand you cite>>>>>>> the kind of hands that I am talking about are where I don't go all in and maybe fold to one or two players who do push in a lot of chips with a call. After the deal of such hands (if you pay attention) you can clearly see the patterns that were programmed into that hand (which I folded) Rememebr their RNG is likely programmed the same for most smaller tournies and cash games until you get into the higher limits. Meaning............. I will be able to see that if I had stayed in the hand assuming no all-in betting the rigged NG would have distributed the cards in such a way that I would have 2p, the other party would have a higher pair on the flop and get a 2nd pair on the turn and the third guy would get a river suckout to win with trips or a straight/flush etc. like we see over and over again. What this means is >>>>>this rigged skewed system (IMHO) keeps more playes in for the river and thereby "earns" Fulll RIGGED Tilt more rakes THAN might have occurred if I had a pair of say 6s on the flop (let's say its the middle pair on the flop) with a 10 to K kicker, and I bet it and it holds up. Imagine how many players would come and stay on this site if 6s held up or AJ or a pair of 2s or TPTK held up in correlation with the odds. Nope!! Full Rigged needs to create action for the many many newbie players who have recently entered into poker with hopes of being the next Chris Moneymaker or Jamie Gold etc. How do you do that? You skew the hands so they see lots of PAINT and LOTS OF ACES and LOTS OF HIGH HANDS, and most of the players online either don't know any better or don't care until they begin losing more and more $$. By that time many are hooked; and I don't mean on phonics!

[kkk777]

But this is a very common pattern w a board like - A Q 10- you know that a K or J will hit turn or river - It happens so often that you can call it.

Poker God - I don't have the time to track all those hands - thought it was pretty industrious to do a thousand.
I am sure something is suspicious with the site.
I wish this wasnt true.

[kkk777]

Problem is really that its so addictive. Otherwise we would all walk away.
But it clearly is completely fucked. There is no way to calculate odds because they don't follow the rules of a random 52 card deck.

TOO MANY PEOPLE HIT THINGS ON THE FLOP.

I just played a HU SNG that I won because 3 out of 4 hands my full house beat the other guys full house.
Moved to ring game - play ace 10 - flop is A J 10
you know the other guy has A J which needless to say he did.

What are the odds of 2 people holding an ace and one hitting the flop - 12%?
On FTP - Is 99%

[nitemare6]

KKK777 "Moved to ring game - play ace 10 - flop is A J 10 you know the other guy has A J which needless to say he did. What are the odds of 2 people holding an ace and one hitting the flop - 12%? On FTP - Is 99%">>>>>>>>> this is exactly the kind of pre-programmed rigged hand that I am referring to that occurs over and over again on full rigged tilt bingo. You said it right! What are the odds of ONE player hitting 2p on the flop much less two players hitting?????!!! F-rigged-T sets it up so that any card on the flop ALMOST ALWAYS helps someone who is in the hand. Rarely do you see a flop (like with a real 52 card deck) that doesn't set up 2 or more players for a showdown that thereby increase the rakes!

[mrkromer]

Originally Posted by nitemare6

KKK777 "Moved to ring game - play ace 10 - flop is A J 10 you know the other guy has A J which needless to say he did. What are the odds of 2 people holding an ace and one hitting the flop - 12%? On FTP - Is 99%">>>>>>>>> this is exactly the kind of pre-programmed rigged hand that I am referring to that occurs over and over again on full rigged tilt bingo. You said it right! What are the odds of ONE player hitting 2p on the flop much less two players hitting?????!!! F-rigged-T sets it up so that any card on the flop ALMOST ALWAYS helps someone who is in the hand. Rarely do you see a flop (like with a real 52 card deck) that doesn't set up 2 or more players for a showdown that thereby increase the rakes!

The more I read the more I laugh. So AJ held up against A10? Wow, that's crazy.

mike

[Ant8472]

I decided to give the cash tables a go on Full Tilt thinking that maybe the dynamics behind the (RNG) might be different.
In fact, it seemed worse! I played for about half an hour in a $1-$2 limit game. I started off with phenomenal hands. I got AA fllowed by KK and then my pair of twos in the hole turned into quads and I hit a set of fours. Unfortunately, I didn't get paid off much so I doubled up. Right after I doubled up I got bad beat after bad beat. Things like hitting top pair with AK but beaten by a set of 4s on a flop of A42. It happened three hands in a row and I lost the lot. At the same time I've played cash limit and no limit on other sites and haven't observed the same level of irregularity.
If FT has taught me anything, it is to fold a great deal of hands, even top pair when someone is betting strongly.

[mrkromer]

Originally Posted by Ant8472

I decided to give the cash tables a go on Full Tilt thinking that maybe the dynamics behind the (RNG) might be different.
In fact, it seemed worse! I played for about half an hour in a $1-$2 limit game. I started off with phenomenal hands. I got AA fllowed by KK and then my pair of twos in the hole turned into quads and I hit a set of fours. Unfortunately, I didn't get paid off much so I doubled up. Right after I doubled up I got bad beat after bad beat. Things like hitting top pair with AK but beaten by a set of 4s on a flop of A42. It happened three hands in a row and I lost the lot. At the same time I've played cash limit and no limit on other sites and haven't observed the same level of irregularity.
If FT has taught me anything, it is to fold a great deal of hands, even top pair when someone is betting strongly.

AA and KK aren't very strong hands in limit, which is a drawing game.

mike

[fulltillbroke]

Fuck this i'm done with them. I've played tight like never before, always sure to have best hand ON RIVER, never went all-in, played like absolute beginner, never had luck once with str or flush draws when others would let me see turn or river. And after few hours of playing having average number of chips, just maybe 15-20 more hands before pay tables i get pocket queens and chip leader beats me with fucking jacks. Night before i finished even earlier with AK against A4 and funny thing is we were'nt all-in before flop showed bloody AA - something. He went all-in, i called and he gets 4 on turn, i mean fuck them all. Won just few hands with weaker cards, and every time small bets, but when i was 4/1 and 10/1 i've lost all. So, you can't play your game because donks will call everything and will beat you half of the time, you can't play tight because sooner or later you will try to double will monster hands but they don't hold either... wtf can you do. Here, where i live there's small tournaments only once a week. I'm not bad at all there but i wan't to play 3-4 times a week and i thought online pokers would be great, never again.

[2HighIsTheNutz]

LOL fulltillbroke. I shouldn't laugh at you man, but... precious memories. Unreal beats when the pot is big. Donks always hit the gas pedal if they hit the ace. Crap kicker doesn't matter (and why should it, they always hit that one too after the money goes in - LOL).

P.S. Sure you already know this, but for others who may not - watch out playing too tight pre-flop though, there's always a sneaky shark or two that will call with any two and then put you all-in if they hit two-pair or better on the flop knowing they can take your stack. Of course, then you have the opportunity to hit the miracle suck out - I should have tried that come to think of it.

[bad_dog76]

After taking my final bad beat yesterday (which I posted above), I decided to call WPX (and one thing I'll give these people is they will answer every email, quickly, and they will never ignore you, like UB and AP did). Anyway, I wanted to find out a little more about the "Random" number generator.

I only know so much about it, I know it can pull a card from anywhere in the deck at anytime, and I know that each card is assigned a value. While he said he didn't know much about probability and statistics, he assured all cards are "random". After we went back and forth for a while, I simply asked him this. Why is it I'm so much more successful in live games, than I am online.
I told him about things I've accomplished, in live games and that I have such a hard time getting ahead on WPX. Told him I get to a certain point and I can't get any further.
He says to me, well online poker is a bit different than live poker. Well DUH! LOL! But this was the funny thing he said to me, and this is the honest to God's truth.

He told me that if there were a few dozen guys like me, who take advantage of weaker players, that the weaker players would get wiped out, so perhaps the "RNG" is a way of evening out. LMAO! Are you kidding me!!!!!!!?

I told him, that, that's not right. Weaker players SHOULD be getting wiped out. They SHOULD lose when they call an all-in bet with Q9 against KK. There should be no "evening out".

I mean seriously, if the guy that works for WPX is telling me that the "RNG" is a way to even things out, between weak players and strong players, than there really is no point in playing. I mean, that's like asking a guy like Roger Clemens (in his prime) to only throw 75MPH fastballs to a .220 because the hitter is completely overmatched.

He kind of recanted his statement after I brought this up. He said, "Well, I'm not sure, but....." Yeah exactly.

One thing I will say, the guy was friendly, he must've stayed on the phone with me for a 1/2 an hour. Neither one of us raised our voice or anything, just two people discussing this, not so random, 'RNG'.

I mean seriously, the guy tells me maybe, the 'RNG' is a way of making things more even between the fish, and the sharks LOL!
Can you believe that? I can believe it, I just can't believe he told me that.

[bad_dog76]

Kromer, if you can't see what's going on, you're obviously bilnd.

I also notice you don't recant any of my other statements. I'll just chalk that up to your ignorance.

[mrkromer]

Sorry, but how can you call it ignorance when I'm just stating facts in my posts? Trust me, I've logged enough hours online to know that there are certain ways to play to win money. How come I win in cash games? Am I a chosen person by the site who always gets lucky? Not at all. The majority of my winnings come from being ahead start to finish, some come from sucking out. Wake up, I'm a real person and I win online, there's a lot of us. And there's a lot of you who are still learning. It's not a bad thing, but you shouldn't assume ignorance of others who probably have more experience.

mike

[nitemare6]

I can't beleive anyone still has doubts that FTP is rigged or skewed and does not NOT a random card dealing system !

[nitemare6]

I can't beleive anyone still has doubts that FTP is rigged or skewed and does NOT have a random card dealing system!!!!!!

[nitemare6]

I found this post from April 2008 posted by mrkromer on a fuurm about Huck Seed>>>>>>>>>>>>>mrkromer
April 23, 2008
I played him heads up in AC at the Taj, $5/$10 nl and took 7 million off of him in 20 minutes. It was crazy... Mike

[nitemare6]

i checked out mrkromer on sharkscope

>>>>>[url]http://www.sharkscope.com/index.html[/url]

I have a +52% ROI and he has a -62% ROI and his average stake is $13!

[simo1981]

Lmfao!!!!!!!