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10-10-08, 07:27 AM
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Another classic full rigged tilt gem - I'm not stupid enough to play real money. Although i won this hand the principle is the same and if you play here you'll gt beat like this:
As is the norm on this site i limp along with 86 suited (flush boards are so common unsuited cards are worthless). Both blinds saw the flop but folded before the river making 4 player originaly. Me: 86c opponant: 63s flop: 2d5h4s - bb bets half pot my and op call turn: 3d - bb checks, i bet half pot, op calls, bb folds river: 7h - i bet half pot again, op min raises, i reraise again and they call. Floping the nut strait, as demonstrated by this hand, should be an extreemely stressful time for any FRT player as they are going to get sucked out about 100% of the time to ANYONE drawing to a better hand including the most rediculous runner -runner draws you will ever see. |
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10-19-08, 02:44 PM
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whah whah whah....
what a bunch of crybabys, first off if fulltilt is really scamming people people like us we will never know... it's like those crazies saying 9-11 was an inside job... these are things one will simply never know... i was reading a comment that really made me laugh, it went something like this, ft is a scam, all the hands are predetermined, flop, turn and river... well duh, it's not like the cards are randomly spinning like a slot machine and then when it comes time, spits out a random card... comon think about it... when your playing live the dealer shuffles the deck and then cuts it... that's it the deck is now locked in... there is nothing that can change this... the flop, turn, and river are still going to be the same... so the person who is saying that all ft hands are predetermined is just simply agreeing with this example... it seems to me that people are complaining more about the bad beats, like runner runner bs... in this case it's more likely that a scam can be involved, if a sim or bot player is seated at a table and needs runner runner to make a winning hand they could "alter" the preset deck to have two rediculous "jacks" pop off the deck, but this theory doesn't hold up one bit, if whatever source that is in control of the hand can see that it's "player" is drawing dead than what's the plan? i believe the deck is randomly shuffled just like a vegas slot and then is locked,that's it, say no more, whatever happens happens...they cant just plugin sumthin like this "oh this bot player needs all a 4 DIAMOND BOARD,lets just change the predetermined flop turn and river to give him what he needs?" i mean what if those cards are already in play or mucked? don't you think sumone would notice the ten of diamonds they mucked that buried some poor guy on the river, i mean there is a certian amount of outs one has in any given hand... if the program thats ripping people off takes the cards that are left in the deck and rearranges them to benefit one player than so be it... we will never know... but seriously all these people ranting and raving about how it's rigged are just looking like a bunch of whiners that don't understand the cosmic tendencies of poker... but even then we will never know... all poker sites run off of the same engine you dummies... so if fullilt is scamming people so is pokerstars and bodog, i've had my share of rediculous bad beats that made me wonder... and i'm not saying these sites aren't rigged... i'm not saying they are... i particulalrly like ft due to its fast paced action, the action on pokerstars is so slow, i'd rather see 100 bad beat crazy hands in an hour than say 50 boring ace high ones on pokerstars... i mean comon, how many times have you flopped a nut flush on full tilt? plenty, so stop complaining... or how many times in a tournament have you been dealt a 9 2 offsuit? plenty... there just bad beats... learn to deal with it, statistics don't mean anything because nothing is set in stone anyway when it comes to how many suited flops should appear and all that mumbo jumbo... hello? that's why we call it poker folks... there's no promises, stupid players are commonly rewarded in this game, ask the pros who play live games, it's no different, a bad beat is a bad beat, no matter where you play what you play or who is "playing" you,learn to deal with it, and move on... geez...people are acting like good cards never get beat by rags... |
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10-19-08, 11:42 PM
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oh and one more thing...
the pattern that i can honestly say i find the most interesting, that makes me think the site could possibly be juiced way more than any bad beat... is this... this happens to me all the time i swear...whenever i pull off a really sick bluff... i'm not talkin one of those semi bluff on a draw shts... like a real sick one... the ones that would got you shot in the wild west days bluff... ok i'm getting carried away...anywayz after i pull these bluffs off they always shoot me a good hand like jj qq kk aa or ak the very next hand... granted i don't make sick rediculous stone cold ice bets that often so... everytime i do tho it's like they reward me with kk it's great |
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#7
10-20-08, 02:54 AM
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Hey everyone....listen...I love this forum topic because I agree with what is being said here 100%.
Well....let me start off by saying that I've been playing poker ( live and online ) for about 7 years. I've played quite a lot here in LA as there are many places to play ( Commerce Casino, The Bicycle Club,etc.) For 7 years, i have dedicated thousands of hours regarding the study of Poker, as I probably have 80% of the all the books ever written on the subject. Usually when I play live ..I play at a nearby casino called The Hawaiian Gardens Casino. Since my work schedule and family obligations keep me busy...I find it easier to play online mostly now. Specifically FT. After playing thousands of hands...you should be able to see distinct patterns of almost predictable rigged poker scenarios. Before I get into why I am certain Full Tilt is ( rigged for action at minimum ) ...I'd like to tell you a story of a friend I have who actually works for Full Tilt. I'll keep his name anonymous.....but I will tell you he works out of their Ireland base. He's been working for Full Tilt for a few years...and confided to me that Full Tilt is very much a "business" that has a bottom line and profit goals. He didn't go as far as say that every hand was rigged, but the did tell me that ABSOLUTELY...the hands dealt on FT are "NOT" random. In addition he told me that their software program functions differently depending on the "level" in which you were playing. In areas where there is a larger rake being collected ( higher limit games ) there is measurably more randomness in comparison to lower limit games. I interpreted this to mean that the higher limit games ( many in which the pros play and big internet studs play is actually ...the MOST random. He did not refute this, but it seemed evident to me. From playing years in live casinos...I do have to admit that you DO see many bad beats quite often.....but not at the unfathomable frequency you do at Full TIlt. Even if you were to statistically measure the bad beat scenarios and monster vs. monster rigged set-up hnads that are common on the site....the ratio of insane plays,bad beats, miracle 1- outers and odds defying catches are not congruent to being dealt more hands per hour. It almost appears that these scenarios exit the world of exception and become the normal expectancy. This is where you start asking yourself, is the card distribution really random? My gut tells me ....absolutely not..... A long time ago ...my father told me to remember that anything that involves money and profit is corrupted. Full Tilt is no exception. Now...many of you guys know what I'm talking about...after playing thousands and thousands of hands....a clear pattern and predictability starts to appear in various scenarios, depending on the circumstances. Scenarios I like to call the "Classic FT rigged set-up hand." The funny thing is that if you can readily identify these scenarios, you can actually avoid SOME of them. No really...its sounds crazy folding Jacks or queens...but very often...probably with 50-70% reliability I make the right call to lay them down with minimal info at best. I'm sure that many of you have seen classic patterns at various stages of the game like for example....there are many predictable occurences when your at the bubble stage of a low limit SNG. In some later posts, I'll give you my own Top 10 classic rigged set-up hands. I do need to tell you....I currently have close to a 50% ITM....and I have been successful in live games. Online is completely different. Give me your guys input... |
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10-21-08, 03:26 PM
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stormtrooper really hit the nail on the head...
he actually made it sound very basic and simple... i find at higher limits the play def has a more random feel to it... alot of 9 3's and dead flops, much like playing at a live casino... at the lower limits i'm like a card rack, and when i step up to the higher limits it seems that those sweet hands are very rare, which i don't mind it keeps you sharp... i also agree about spotting these "trap" hands scenerios, i've played alot of hands on full tilt and i feel i am almost pro at spotting these scenerios, it's always a plus to be and i quote a "scared" player, it's not like i'm scared to play , for example, if i'm dealt kings under the gun and i overbet raise and someone calls me and the flop doesn't look intimidating for kk... say like 5 10 8, now any good player should already be thinking of possible hands that can have him beat, like pocket 5's 10's or 8's or the draw hands like 7 9 or q10... most of the time i'm in the right ballpark at where my hand stands, and i def hit the brakes to see what the other player does... bieng wreckless and firing away at it takes the control completely out of your hands... the one thing in poker you must remember is you can always fold... its the only guarentee... maybe because i've played so many hands and seen so many "rigged" situations i am able to spot these scenerios and get away from em... stormtrooper really put it into perspective for me... |
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#9
10-25-08, 05:42 AM
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Why is it rigged? What is the motive?
So the majority of players (most are bad) can thrive and be viable/long lasting customers for the fulltilt racket... Anyone that pulls money out (good players) are viewed as a threat to the fulltilt racket... The bad beats and the suckouts serve two purposes. To keep the bad players thriving thus maximizing "rake" across the board and to trick the "good" player into depositing more money thinking the 1% probability suckout loss was just a fluke. This is fact and the most profitable way to run the business. Can they tweak the software? Absolutely. Profit motive + unregulated environment = Full blown corruption. |
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#10
11-02-08, 11:45 PM
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Why is it that some people are able to consistently beat this site? Because I run into players at almost every table I play that if you look up their statistics on sharkscope, you will find they have positive ROI's over thousands of tourneys. This is not the majority of the players of course as it is tough to beat the rake, but still they are there on the site having played thousands of games and showing thousands of dollars in profits.
Don't get me wrong; I would never feel safe playing in an online ring game- all it takes is a couple of colluders and you are upside down on your odds to win. But for everyone to suggest that the tourneys are somehow rigged or juiced, I don't see that, and I dont get that. A one table tourney takes about the same amount of time to finish every time, same with multitable tourneys. And to the guy that said the deal is juiced at the freaking free tables, do you even know how stupid that sounds? I don't notice anything strange with the deals or knockouts that would make me think that the site is trying to speed things up. I do see a lot of dumb play out there, which of course results in a lot of bad beats ( and I have suffered PLENTY), but I recognize this as a good thing. Look, I believe there have been hacks that have allowed people to cheat (they are updating software frequently I suspect in part to combat this), and there are probably some very sophisticated bots. But if you want to convince me that the deal is skewed on these sites you're going to have to come up with a statistical hand analysis or some real evidence. It should be easy enough to do as there are plenty of hand tracking softwares available. But please, don't give me this "I am a good player but I always lose to Donkeys" stuff because as far as I know, you're not that good. Well, you crybabies can get to calling me names now, I MUST work for the site! P.S.- the guy who posted the a-2 crap crap unsuited hand has no idea how to play Omaha Hi Lo Last edited by ThankGod4Donks; 11-03-08 at 12:03 AM. |
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11-15-08, 01:09 PM
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Okay dokay - done with Full Tilt for me. In t he past when I emailed then regarding the randomness of their card server I got the typical we use RNG, etc. etc. - Okay I said - must be me. However, odd crap just kept happening (inexplicable calls of all ins with unbelievable suckouts as a result, etc.). So - I kept my own stats. After 1000 all in showdowns (not hands - just pure showdowns)
* When I am the favorite I only win 48% * When I am the dog I lose 79% Pocket Aces were the worse of all things - they held up 47% (geesh). So - after playing in a SNG where I had aces cracked twice AND - for the entire table the favorite in all in showdowns lost 13 out of 17 times - the last being my KQ of hearts versus 87 off suit (great call of my all in)I once gain emailed Full Tilt. I wanted to know who audited their site to ensure that results were truly random. Their response: "We are evaluating several well-known auditing firms and hope to have our shuffling and dealing processes officially audited in the near future." Bsscially - THEY DON"T HAVE AN INDEPENDENT AUDIT TO CONFIRM THAT THEIR DEALING IS RANDOM! I can see why they wouldn't - it is only the most important issue facing online players. How could they not??? So basically, everything you hear from this is testimonial in nature and not supported by any review. So - I am done listening to the folks who tell me there is no incentive (there is - rake), that there is no cheating (wait for the next Absolute scam to surface) and that it is just me. I am a college grad (math major) and have been playing B&M mortar poker for 20 years. This site is simply not random. I am done with it. |
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11-17-08, 10:17 PM
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I am 18 years old and have been playing poker since I was 16. In both online and in brick and mortar games. (I know it was illegal for me to do so but even Phil Ivey attained a fake ID for it when he first started playing) I used to think online poker was rigged but as I have grown as a poker player I have changed my mind. I'm not going to say people who think online poker is rigged are idiots I'm just going to say that you should think this through. The reason there are so many seemingly amazing suck outs, inexplicable calls, and pockets Aces getting cracked by 8,9 off is because of the amount of morons that play online. Think about it, in heads up play Aces hold up about 85% of the time. Say you had pockets Aces and you raised from first position and you get 4 callers with garbage hands as is common in most online poker rooms. The larger the room the more common. Anyway, there are 4 callers. That right there makes your Aces only hold up about 56% of the time greatly diminishing their value. Now you've got 4 idiots that can beat you with two pair, straights, sets, or flushes. That's going to happen a lot more often than your Aces holding up against that many cards left in the deck. They have way more outs than you do. The odds are about 11.5 to 1 that you're going to hit an Ace and they have much more outs than you. Now this scenario does not happen to pro poker players playing with pro poker players because pros aren't going to call a raise from first position with shitty cards. If you had one person call your raise that makes your aces much more valuable and the possibility of somebody sucking out is much less. But bad beats happen to pros all the time. Check out he video of Gus Hansen and Daniel Negreanu playing on high stakes poker. But you don't see them playing garbage hands all the time. I guarantee that if a bunch of idiots played with the pros they would be sucking out left and right. Many people on the internet do not understand poker at all and that means that luck plays a much heavier roll. And besides even that most of you don't remember many of your huge pots. You remember your bad beats. It's human nature. Doyle Brunson talked about this I believe. All in all I believe online poker seems rigged because of how many people with garbage stay in the pot no matter what. They're not thinking and therefore it seems that the place is rigged because your good cards get beat by bad cards. Odds only apply when people are actually paying attention to the game. Otherwise, it's just like dice.
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11-18-08, 01:46 PM
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I hope you are right Dylan - but I must say until they get audits of their hand results I will remain skeptical. It is one thing for them to attest that their results are random (anyone can do that). It is another to have it independtly verified. What is troubling is that would be so easy to do - yet they do not do it.
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11-18-08, 06:04 PM
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That is very true. I forgot to mention that you should definitely be wary of online poker. They are after all a business and I do not trust any businesses at all. And it is interesting that Full Tilt's RNG has never been audited officially. I will just wait and see. I actually don't play at FTP anymore I play at Carbon due to the fact that it has a much lower traffic rate.
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11-19-08, 09:37 PM
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Dylan James - in the last 4 years and being a strong critic of online RNGs and Full Tilt in particular, your explanation is one of the few reasonable statements that actually makes good sense, and indeed might actually be close to a correct analysis. I however still think that Full Tilt's RNG is skewed and whether this the result of a technical or prgramming flaw or the result of greed remains to be seen ! I personally can no longer trust the site with any significant money and would prefer to get beaten in a live game then always feeling paranoid that Full Rigged Tilt is scamming! It takes the fun out of the game AND I play differently when I am always thinking that my 2p are gonna get sucked out or my TPTK will rarely win.
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11-22-08, 09:54 PM
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I am at witts end with Full Tilt. I cant trust it anymore. I always suspected it was rigged but I'm reasonably ceartain now. I'm not talking about super players or bots, I mean rediculous varience to keep money in the pockets of the fish just as much as the good players. I'm talking about a "random number generator" so good that every 1 stays at about the same amount of money with he obvious benefit to full suck out being more and more rake money. Rake money is why they run the site is it not? and with no one to audit them and the absolute worst customer service I've ever seen. I couldn't even get them to give me a response on 3 tries to match the question I had asked whats gonna stop them. I had my chat removed for "begging for $5" in the $8/$16 razz game I play in. Cmon lets consider the logic here. I have hundreds of dollars infront of me at this table and I'm gonna beg for $5 ya that makes sense well done full tilt. What had really happened is that this guy harrassed me for hours for $5 and I immitated him once and he must have copy and pasted it and sent it to support. So to sum it up I was the one harrassed for hours by a degenerate gambler begging for $5 and as result I get my chat banned for a month and get convicted of something I'm so obviously not guilty of that someone with an IQ of 50 could figure out that it's just not logical. never another red cent thease goofs will ever see
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11-23-08, 03:57 AM
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To 'ThankGod4Donks' comments,
If you want folks to listen, place reason without attacking the folks who've posted. Calling someone's comments 'stupid', calling everyone here 'crybabies', and attacking the quality of their gameplay will not prove anything. So, speaking of 'stupid', 'crybabies', and 'gameplay', go back and read your post. You contradict yourself with crying about collusion, sophisticated bots, and hacks. After you cry about these items, you demand evidence to convince you about deals?...and add within your comments "Don't get me wrong..."? Seriously, do you really think anyone will listen to you after jabbing at their abilities or questioning their intelligence? All you've done is convince readers that you are hypocritical, can't recognize your own double-standards, not a good writer, or simply dumb. Thus, after you've "steamed" about this post, perhaps you should play an online game or two. After you lose, just blame it on your hacks, bots, and collusion...heck, sounds like you've already got your excuses ready. By the way, you got any hard-and-fast evidence about your 'bots'? P.S. - Why would anyone think you work for the 'site'? Is it because of how certain you are of hacks and bots? What's next?...aliens? Bigfoot? Last edited by KeepItConstructive; 11-23-08 at 03:59 AM. Reason: to direct towards 'ThankGod4Donks' |
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11-24-08, 10:28 AM
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Just for fun - try this for an experiment at FT. Either play or observe a table. Count the number of times at least two cards of the same suit hit the flop. Everything I looked at says it is around a 12% probability. I have now counted 400 flops - I am at 55% (that's right - 55% of the time two cards of the same suite hit the flop) - Only 400 hands - but wow. Thought it might be a fun experiment for us to try since it is easy to do.
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12-01-08, 03:13 PM
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This is the worst ever. Yesterday I wanted to kill myself due to the third one-outer in just 20 minutes. I lost over $3,000 due to bad beats. My kings lost to ace-x 94 out of 127 times. My aces lost 49% of the times. While looking at QJ, board QJ2Q, my opponent moved in with aces and i knew what the river would be... exactly. I just lost another $100 to full tillt joker poker. This is rigged as hell, I just sent them an e-mail with a lot of questions. How can I move in with the best of it almost every time and lose? If i see those creators i'll rip them apart, that's for sure.
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#20
12-01-08, 04:32 PM
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Where to begin....
I know people here have varying opinions as to whether this site(or any other in some cases!)is rigged,so i thought i would throw my penny into the mix. Every instinct tells me that this site is rigged,the cards are ridiculous,as a couple of examples(trust me,there are MANY more!) 1 I am dealt kk,flop comes down kk9,i go all in,and get called by AA,turn is A,river is A,i almost dismantle my monitor with my bare hands!(I dont know odds,but please guys,no-one patronise me by saying this proves nothing) 2 im dealt qq,guy raises me,so i go all in,hes got 9 j off,flop comes down,10 K 6,turn 2,river q(one of the other players on the table says he had a q so the guy the only remaining q,and on the river too),coincidence? possibly,but more evidence of schonkiness of this excuse for a poker site. I know a couple of anecdotal instances dont make a watertight case,but these are only the most recent,judge for yourselves guys,but i wont be giving this sorry excuse for a poker site any more of my childrens inheritance! So to paraphrase Leonard Nimoy,its poker Jim,but not as we know it. |
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12-08-08, 12:27 PM
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I changed my mind. This site is totally rigged. I had not played on it in a couple of years and had a great run getting my bankroll up to $2800 from a single satellite token. It didn't suprise me. I know I play well. I have beaten every online site I have ever played at, starting with just $50 at Paradise Poker and parlaying it into multiple cashouts at PokerRoom, Full Tilt and stars. I went back to FT after a run of bad luck at Stars putting me down to a minimal bankroll, I came back to FT and played the token I had left in the account and had a great run.
Since then, I have seen so much ridiculous stuff in losing almost half my bankroll, that I am convinced that all guys that have complained are correct. I am not talking about AA getting busted all in preflop, my style is more typically small ball. I mean a consistent run of people that are absolutely dominated with 4 outs or less beating me after a push at the turn. Dozens and dozens of these types of hands over the course of that last couple hundred of tourneys. Hands that are complete set ups, pairs that hit sets that are beaten by straights with cards that should never even call the first raise. Top two pair gets sucked out on by sets after the chips are in. OVER AND OVER!!! I obviously commited the cardinal sin on this site, I won consistently and they boom switched me. What a crock. I am cashing out the money I have left and I will hang onto it until Americans can play at a site that opens there software to independent audit. Pokerroom had the most legitamate deal of any site I played at, IMO, I miss it like hell. I was wrong- FULL TILT IS ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT!!! P.S- I noticed the same crap at stars once I reached a certain bankroll. I am happy to leave FT +$1435; so FU to the guy that called me dumb. I may be opinionated and cocky, but I ain't stupid!!! |
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12-16-08, 03:39 PM
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Got agree Donks - just for kicks - I have been observing - the hand suck outs are just incredible (take that back - unbelievable). Time after time the poor SOB who gets in with the best hand - no matter how good - goes down and it always seems to a few select folks at a table. Just watched a hand - guy with AA shoves 5 times BB. One caller - flop is A 10 7 - the caller goes all in and the AA snaps call. His opponent shows 10 7 offsuit. Turn comes 10 and and I say to myself - here it comes - sure as shit - 10 on the river. Guy with the AA goes nuts and eventually leaves. Our hero with the 10-7 wins a bunch of other hands that he had no business winning and I eventually leave having seen htis pattern so many times before. The real shame is this - I love playing poker and fortunately for me I live in the LA area so I can get to a dozen B&M casinos in a snap - so I get to play live about 4 or 5 times a week - do pretty well too. I used to like online cause I thought it was a great vehicle to practice - nope! The patterns are so unrealistic (and they are)that it is horrible for even that purposes (in fact - really started screwing up my live play and I had to detox from it for a few weeks to get my live play back to snuff. I talk to dozens of live players each week who have also abandoned on-line - especially Full Tilt - the business will swallow it's golden egg soon.
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12-19-08, 12:49 AM
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I have been playing fulltilt for years and i am now going to give up and move on i have finally noticed that whatever you deposit it will let you win and eventually make you loos it all leaving you with an empty bank roll recently when i played my trip 10's with a kicker jack lost to trip 10's with a queen. Another example of it being rigged was when my trip kings lost to a trip ace which was caught on a river. This always happens to me after i have one a large amount of cash so i am warning you if you are going to play fulltilt GET OUT WHEN YOU WIN BECAUSE THEY WILL MAKE YOU LOOSE IT ALL..
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01-02-09, 12:00 AM
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Since my incredibly run of bad luck on Full Tilt back in July and August I haven't had much to say. That is because I haven't played on Full Tilt very often. Instead I've been heading to my local casino where the cards definitely seem to be more random.
I've had more time to play poker recently over the holidays and have invested in the tournaments and SNG's on Full Tilt. Having played regularly at the casino and being used to the card distributions there I am astounded at how obviously flawed the cards are on Full Tilt. Aone who suggests that it just appears that there are more bad beats and action flops on Full Tilt because of the rate of flops seen need to get their heads read. I may have repeated this before but these are the most obvious and glaring anomolies on Full Tilt from my experience: 1) Aces get cracked heads up more than 50% of the time. Nowadays when I see AA on Full Tilt I know my tournament life is at risk. This doesn't make statistical sense to intuit AA as a losing hand but on Full Tilt it will get you knocked out more than any other hand (excpet maybe KK). If you see my stats on OPR, I do fairly well at single table SNGs but I have a host of games where I come 9 out of 9 or 8 out of 9. Most of those were due to getting AA early in the game and having them cracked. 2) Bad beats are horrendous. Playing on Full Tult is like dodging land mines and the bigger your hand the more likely an opponent has the cold nuts. Many times I'll flop a set and the card which gave me my set will give an opponent a straight. When I get straight I am often beaten by a flush and so forth. 3) This is perhaps the most consistent and glaring pattern I experience on Full Tilt. After I've had a few cashes and won a profit of any type I am immediately besieged by bad luck. I get runs of bad cards, constant bad beats and cannot win a showdown. Have you ever been so unlucky on Full Tilt that you lose just about *every* showdown in a given time interval no matter how in front you are? I find this happens a lot after I've won some money. The end result is that I can never consolidate profit with more wins because I will go on a terrible losing streak and end up losing back all my profits. This cycle has been perennial in my experience in Full Tilt. I am seriously appalled by this site and disappointed because it has many qualities, but it does not deal fair cards. |
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01-07-09, 01:37 PM
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Why I am geeing same hands ( even same suits sometimes), when i play on 2 diff. tables? is it hands i suppose to get or what? I do not trust this site anymore.
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01-08-09, 01:16 AM
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Okay... been awhile since i played on full tilt and since i've posted....
So i put fifty in... run it up to 150 playin UBER tight andd cash out 100... lose the 50 remaining... No biggiee.. but i'm bored one night and put another fifty in... lose that... might be my fault... put another sixty in and get that over 100. Now here is where it gets interesting.... I come home and play some games tonight... I lost three games with a river card... I just finished out my money with a hand that i don't even know i truly lost!!! I had pocket fours... guy had ace king of hearts against me... I hit four on the flop and there isn't a flush draw... well the river comes and i still don't think a flush was out there.... But before i can blink i'm out of the game and can't see what happened!!! I don't want to sound like a bad loser, but i've been playing as tight as a human can play and i keep catching literally runner runner or miracle river cards. For anyone to think there isn't someting up with this site, you're being willfully ignorant. And again, i'm not even sure i lost my last hand |
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#27
01-17-09, 10:02 AM
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So sat down.. put sixty in ... one a 30 dollar tourney and made the mistake of cashing out...
I played very tight waiting for cards... well for two straight games.. the cards never came... I finally get eliminated when my pocket fives are up against ace seven.... and he never even hit the ace or the seven.... I ended up making trips on the river! Bad news is that it made a 4 card straight for the guy=() If anyone here learns one lesson... DO NOT CASH OUT unless you are done playing or sure you want that money. You simply are not allowed to win after cashing out. I guess the logic is that you have some money coming to you, maybe you'll cancel the payment and use your winnings. |
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#28
01-18-09, 07:57 PM
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i have been a very successful player on fulltilt but that has all changed since I won the Sunday 750k, and cashed very high in a few other high payout tourneys...... Ever since I cashed out my winnings on full tilt I have had nothing but bad beats, bad cards and unbelievable suck outs.... People like to say that online poker has alot of variance, I say its the site punishing you for cashing out(ie... cashout curse).... hmm. also if your the big stack at a table just call any small stacks "all in" with any hand, you will usually win no matter how far behind you are pre or post flop... Can someone explain to me how all the tourneys start and end at roughly the same time week in and week out... that is impossible... I have played in a few live tourneys where the event was scheduled for 3 days but ended in two day, as well I was in a tourney that was scheduled for one day and ended spilling deep in to the next day making it last 2 days.. Full tilts 750k always starts at 6pm est - and ends between 2:30/3am est.... with no doubt it always starts and ends between these times, that is impossible in itself aswell......
the final straw for me was tonight (Sunday 1/18) I played the 1 million guarantee ($500 buy in on full tilt) and was quickly bad beat out of the tourney on awful garbage.... I had aa, hit set on rainbow flop, and lost to runner runner flush... Then I had pckt qq and lost to runner runner straight.. the final knock out was my all in Ak vs A 10, hit A on flop and amazing and expected 10 on river to be eliminated.... garbage, rigged, garbage.... I am now in the belief that these online sites (full tilt as well as pokerstars,etc...) purposely build in these bad beats and horrible suck outs to level the playing field between the fish and good players... If full tilt ran a truly fair game then all the bad players (fish) would be out of their bankrolls.. In order to keep traffic up on the sites they make it so that any one ( no matter how bad they play) can win.. heres my proof... have any of you ever watched the final 2 or 3 tables of full tilts sunday 750k or pokerstars 1 million guarantee? the players are horrible.. you mean to tell me that a player can outlast a field of 4,000/8,000 or more players only to donk off their chips with an any Ax (Ace/rag)? I mean seriously, these players have no business being this far in a tourney like this, but the online sites make it possible... I guarantee that none of these aforementioned players would make it past the first or second level in high payout live tourney.. so anyways I just emailed full tilt and instructed them to close my account and close my deposit options as well... I told them basically of what I thought of the site and what garbage it is.... I now play exclusively at pokerstars, although pokerstars also has some peculiar/head scratching shuffles as well but what am i gonna do, i need somewhere to play..... Last edited by billytk01; 01-18-09 at 08:27 PM. |
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#29
01-19-09, 04:36 PM
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I couldnt agree with you more. I stopped playing Ultimate bet several years ago because I started keeping track of hands , what was happening in the big tourneys etc. I really was doing so well on that site, actually build up a little "reputation" for myself, lol. I really excelled in the big tourneys, so i would take my winngins to the money tables, and my bankroll of course. I would cash out about every week. I noticed that for a certain period after I cashed out, I couldnt win to save my life. I suffered the worst bad beats, and before I cashed out I could do not wrong! So I really started paying attention, and everything just seemed so unrealistic. The way the cards came out. In one round, there could be A's K's and J's ont he table . That rarely ever happens. SO after a while I sent UB a long email how I thought they were crooked, and how dissappointed i was, and completely losing my faith in internet poker. Now I've joined Full tilt after a few years I'm back in again, doing really great, but the pattern seems to be the same there.....you can't win too much, they will take it away folks....and LIke Jay I believe said, DONT cash out unless you know your not gonna play for a while lol. Thats what I did
 PEace to all the awesome poker players out there! Niki |
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#30
01-20-09, 10:54 AM
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i started playing on full tilt in july of 08. five months and 6,000 dollars later i decided to close my account. 3 weeks after my acct. was closed i had an insta check withdraw come through for 150.00.can you believe that? i had to close and re-open a new acct. its a good thing i happened to check my acct. on line and caught it before my bank paid it.they tried to slip that charge through.that is a perfect example of just how corrupt full tilt is.not to mention the fixed hands and runner runner beats.another thing is i would deposit 50. sit down at a 1-2 nl table with a minimum of 20. 15 hands later(after my aces were cracked or something) i would try to get more chips and all of the sudden the minimum would be 40. i would only have 30 left so either deposit more or go to another table. i could go on and on and on. ALL ON LINE POKER IS RIGGED. IF MAN CAN PROGRAM IT, MAN CAN MANIPULATE IT. its that simple.when someone comes up with a site that uses live video with a live dealer then MAYBE i'll play again. all of the top pros who take sponsor money from full tilt should be ashamed of themselves. has the withdraw attempt that i spoke of earlier happened to anyone else?
by the way i live in souther chester county,about 45 minutes from philly and im always looking to meet new people and new home games. |
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