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#543
03-22-09, 05:52 PM
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eldave1.... thanx for explaining to nitemare6 the thought process of the events that took place in my aforementioned hand.... you explained my actual thought process and response to the rigged action very well..
to nitemare6.... bro, why do you argue every post i put up? yes, if that kk vs q4 was a one time loss/bad beat then I would chalk it up to just bad timing of cards... but the fact that these examples are just one or two examples of beats that constantly happen on a consistant basis.. I have yet to be knocked out of a tourney as of late with a losing hand going to the flop or river.. Everytime I get knocked out its always by some type of ridiculous beat... as eldave1 has said earlier, you cant play trapping hands online like you can live... then you when you do pick up kk or aa instead of saying cha-ching, i say lets see how imaginitive way i get knocked out now!!!! anyways nitemare6, just take the hand i posted earlier (kk vs q4) and multiply all the bad beat/statistically dominating hands that lost times a thousand and then tell me that the shit isnt rigged.. |
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#544
03-22-09, 07:16 PM
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I played in another live tournament Saturday. Lots of crazy stuff happened that had it hapened on FTP I would have thought it was rigged. Guy had the nut straight on the turn. ALl in with another player with a set of As. Guess what river was.
Yep, the board paired... the guy boated to suckout on the nut straight. |
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#545
03-22-09, 08:24 PM
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I've been playin loads of cash games recently and have noticed bad beats occur once a day if that, the moment i play a tourny it's a bad beat a minute. Maybe the big factor isnt fulltilt but because you play nothing but tournys which consist mainly of loose, desperate players trying to double up every 15 minutes, also your hands have gotta stand up 10+ times in a row to see a final table. It seems that a combination of the sheer mass of players and frequent blind increases puts a large proportion of the game down to luck.
If you're playing cash and over five games you double up each time then lose the sixth, you'd shrug it off and say 'im up 4 buyins,woohoo!'. Double up five times in a tourny then bubble and suddenly its rigged. Just a thought |
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#546
03-22-09, 09:05 PM
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That could be true Buck - but my gut tells me odds are odds whether you play cash or tourney. If your theory was correct, what I would expect to see is that - in most tourneys - I would stack up pretty quickly because I would get all of these horrible calls and win 4 out of five and by the time the tourney whittles down, generally solid players would be left and you would not see the - WTF calls - other then the occassional desperate short stack. Instead, you see a table full of folks with ratings of 60% or less and think how did they get here??
When I play live tourneys (about 4 times a week) there is a good representation of the usual suspects when the tourney gets down to 20% of the field with a few donks sprinkled in once in a while (which we hope for because we are looking for chip mines). When you get to that 20% (live) you do not get calls from folks with A 3 offsuit when you have shoved with KK because they would have not gotten that far in the tourney if that is how they played. On FullTilt - A 3 offsuit is the absolute nuts when it gets down to bubble time if: a) you have played like shit the entire tourney b) the guy your calling has QQ or better c) you have won 2 or 3 absolute donk wins in the last few minutes. So why does absolute trash players survive on Full Tilt and they do not in live games? Forget the odds - That is the part that gives me a feeling best described by Sulfy in a prior post- "but it's much like a baseball player estimating the speed of the ball when he's at bat or a pianist recognizing the pitch of a note that a song is projecting. When you've dealt with the subjects before, you develop a feeling of being able to approximate" So - in live - as the tourney progresses the quality of play improves because in general the better players survive longer. At FT - the longer the tourney progresses the more wretched players exist and the odds of you getting beat by the guy who loves 8 - 3 increases. That is what I do not get - what hits the gut wrong. I do not mind losing AA to KK because I understand the call - that's poker and it happens to me live. I do mind losing AA to 10 4 offsuit when I was the first to put chips in the pot. And again - to beat a dead horse - what myself and most the riggers can't get over as no matter how perfectly you play a hand and how many times you get all the $$ in with what seemed to be a nut flop - you get busted (e.g., AK flops AAK, you shove and 77 calls only to get running 7s). AND - it is the guy who wins crap pot after crap pot (like he has got a sheild around him). I know this is long winded - but on-line should represent live when it comes to the final results even though the game is faster. The qualtiy of play should improve as the field narrows - It don't - AND THAT - does not feel right in the gut. |
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#547
03-24-09, 09:13 PM
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This is what I mean by not passing the gut check and how final tables on on-line are filled with trash players (unlike live) and how that does not make sense. As a note, this is not a bitter post – just illustrative (I am actually quite happy having won a $10,000 live tourney last night).
Here is the anatomy of the typical FY ass rape. So – I am at the final table of a $3 satellite for $260 seat. I have 29K in chips, the next highest only has 11K. So – I say to my self – I’ll wait till I got a real good one. I basically don’t play a hand for the first 20 minutes. Ass Rape One Full Tilt Poker Game #11316121432: Satellite to $750K Guarantee (85030347), Table 2 - 300/600 Ante 75 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:43:27 ET - 2009/03/24 Seat 2: seedy58 (6,390) Seat 3: eldave1 (26,145) Seat 4: yancancris (9,450) Seat 5: badbikerbob (8,120) Seat 6: Anton_AY (9,590) Seat 7: hammerinhank87 (3,450) Seat 8: toplayr (12,880) Seat 9: scheeraa (3,975) seedy58 antes 75 eldave1 antes 75 yancancris antes 75 badbikerbob antes 75 Anton_AY antes 75 hammerinhank87 antes 75 toplayr antes 75 scheeraa antes 75 hammerinhank87 posts the small blind of 300 toplayr posts the big blind of 600 The button is in seat #6 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to eldave1 [Jh Qh] scheeraa folds seedy58 raises to 1,200 eldave1 calls 1,200 yancancris folds badbikerbob folds Anton_AY folds hammerinhank87 folds toplayr folds *** FLOP *** [Qc Th 7h] seedy58 has 15 seconds left to act seedy58 bets 5,115, and is all in eldave1 calls 5,115 seedy58 shows [Jd Js] eldave1 shows [Jh Qh] *** TURN *** [Qc Th 7h] [8c] *** RIVER *** [Qc Th 7h 8c] [Jc] seedy58 shows three of a kind, Jacks eldave1 shows two pair, Queens and Jacks seedy58 wins the pot (14,130) with three of a kind, Jacks *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 14,130 | Rake 0 Board: [Qc Th 7h 8c Jc] Seat 2: seedy58 showed [Jd Js] and won (14,130) with three of a kind, Jacks Seat 3: eldave1 showed [Jh Qh] and lost with two pair, Queens and Jacks Seat 4: yancancris folded before the Flop Seat 5: badbikerbob folded before the Flop Seat 6: Anton_AY (button) folded before the Flop Seat 7: hammerinhank87 (small blind) folded before the Flop Seat 8: toplayr (big blind) folded before the Flop Seat 9: scheeraa folded before the Flop ================================================== ============= So – Seedy (a –45% ROI player) min raises with JJ – if she had raised anywhere in the 3 to 4 times the blind area or more (i.e., she shoved pre-flop) I fold. Not even in the hand. I can the min raise and get a monster flop. Seedy snap shoves all in – I call with top pair (queens) and flush draw. At this point in the hand I am a 93.9% favorite to win. I think to myself what a horrible play by Seedy – if she was going to shove – why not preflop instead of w hen there was an over card and a flush draw on the board – oh well. Turn is 8 of clubs. No we both pick up gut shots but if the 9 hits I win because I have the Queen. Seedy is down to one card – the Jack of clubs. River – Jack of Clubs!!!! I lose almost half of my once dominating stack. ================================================== ============= Ass Rape Two Full Tilt Poker Game #11316167904: Satellite to $750K Guarantee (85030347), Table 2 - 400/800 Ante 100 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:46:05 ET - 2009/03/24 Seat 2: seedy58 (13,380) Seat 3: eldave1 (19,605) Seat 4: yancancris (9,225) Seat 5: badbikerbob (7,895) Seat 6: Anton_AY (8,165) Seat 7: hammerinhank87 (2,925) Seat 8: toplayr (11,755) Seat 9: scheeraa (7,050) seedy58 antes 100 eldave1 antes 100 yancancris antes 100 badbikerbob antes 100 Anton_AY antes 100 hammerinhank87 antes 100 toplayr antes 100 scheeraa antes 100 seedy58 posts the small blind of 400 eldave1 posts the big blind of 800 The button is in seat #9 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to eldave1 [Tc Ts] yancancris folds badbikerbob folds Anton_AY folds hammerinhank87 folds toplayr folds scheeraa folds seedy58 calls 400 eldave1 raises to 3,200 seedy58 calls 2,400 *** FLOP *** [6s 4d Ks] seedy58 bets 10,080, and is all in eldave1 has 15 seconds left to act eldave1 has requested TIME eldave1 folds Uncalled bet of 10,080 returned to seedy58 seedy58 mucks seedy58 wins the pot (7,200) *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 7,200 | Rake 0 Board: [6s 4d Ks] Seat 2: seedy58 (small blind) collected (7,200), mucked Seat 3: eldave1 (big blind) folded on the Flop Seat 4: yancancris folded before the Flop Seat 5: badbikerbob folded before the Flop Seat 6: Anton_AY folded before the Flop Seat 7: hammerinhank87 folded before the Flop Seat 8: toplayr folded before the Flop Seat 9: scheeraa (button) folded before the Flop So – I start with pocket tens in the BB – Seedy (my good friend from earlier limps in on the small blind). I raise 8 times the BB. Seedy of course calls. The flop has one over – the K of spades. Seedy once again snaps shoves all in. I am convinced now that the FT server has decided that I will not be Seedy regardless – even though I think I have her beat – I fold and decide to just avoid her entirely the rest of the way. This is where FT foks with your mind so much (see prior hand) you stop playing normal. ================================================== ========= Ass Rape Three = prologue – this guy “badbikerbob” out of nowhere goes on an ungodly suck-out run – knocks out 5 players. I looked him up – he has a negative 100% ROI – he has played a few tourneys and has never cashed. It’s just heads up now between me an him. The negative ROI of 100% worries me – FT certainly wants to keep him around (at least until he cashes any real money). We go back and forth until this gem. Full Tilt Poker Game #11316643765: Satellite to $750K Guarantee (85030347), Table 2 - 1200/2400 Ante 300 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:13:07 ET - 2009/03/24 Seat 3: eldave1 (34,200) Seat 5: badbikerbob (45,800) eldave1 antes 300 badbikerbob antes 300 badbikerbob posts the small blind of 1,200 eldave1 posts the big blind of 2,400 The button is in seat #5 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to eldave1 [Td Ts] badbikerbob calls 1,200 eldave1 raises to 7,800 badbikerbob calls 5,400 *** FLOP *** [5h 3s 7d] eldave1 bets 26,100, and is all in badbikerbob calls 26,100 eldave1 shows [Td Ts] badbikerbob shows [Ad 3d] *** TURN *** [5h 3s 7d] [3c] *** RIVER *** [5h 3s 7d 3c] [4h] eldave1 shows two pair, Tens and Threes badbikerbob shows three of a kind, Threes badbikerbob wins the pot (68,400) with three of a kind, Threes eldave1 stands up badbikerbob stands up *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 68,400 | Rake 0 Board: [5h 3s 7d 3c 4h] Seat 3: eldave1 (big blind) showed [Td Ts] and lost with two pair, Tens and Threes Seat 5: badbikerbob (small blind) showed [Ad 3d] and won (68,400) with three of a kind, Threes ================================================== ============= So – I raise the pot to badbiker after he limps in. I know I am suppose to shove with 10-10 heads up - but I also know from my FT life that this guy would call me with Ace - Joker. He calls my bet. Perfect flop for tens ( 5 – 3- 7 rainbow)! Okay – shove now and get it over with. I shove – Snap call from biker – he has A 3 suited diamonds but only one diamond on the board. He hit the three, had no draw and thought that it was worth calling for all of his chips an a board with two overs into a guy who had raised pre-flop (donkey). Okay – I’m a 74% favorite to win this one. I read it exactly right – he would have called with his A rag preflop because he was suited and no ace on the flop – only one diamond – yeah> Turn 3 – he hits a set. Game over – I win $9 dollars and badbiker wins $260. Good thing I have a live tourney tomorrow. |
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#548
03-26-09, 01:22 AM
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I thought I was going crazy with the constant screws I was getting on fullscrew.. er I mean fulltilt. After reading this board I have now come to realize it is not me and it is true the damn thing is rigged! Last time I was at the casino I walked out with $47 profit in my pocket! And that was playing for only a few hours. I am going to try ipoker since it seems people here have had some good experience with them. Thank you all for posting on fulltilts BS, I and my sanity truly appreciate it!!!
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#549
03-26-09, 01:23 AM
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Fulltilts BS
I thought I was going crazy with the constant screws I was getting on fullscrew.. er I mean fulltilt. After reading this board I have now come to realize it is not me and it is true the damn thing is rigged! Last time I was at the casino I walked out with $47 profit in my pocket! And that was playing for only a few hours. I am going to try ipoker since it seems people here have had some good experience with them. Thank you all for posting on fulltilts BS, I and my sanity truly appreciate it!!!
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#551
03-30-09, 01:28 PM
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I'm not going to go into all of the rigged hands that I have had on Full Tilt, but I will go into how the rigging works. It's all pretty clever. Example: cracked Aces. Let's say there are 4 people left in a tourney and the chip stacks are equal. Your big blind and you get pockets aces. Of course this is your golden ticket. Your looking for some action. The first 2 guys fold and the small blind calls. You might do a small raise because you don't want the guy to fold. So let's say the guy had 10,J. The flop is 2, 4, 10. Bamm that guy hits top pair. He goes all in and you call. Domination!! Well, not on Full Tilt because he will hit his 3rd 10. It's virtually gauranteed. Now your out and you lost with pocket aces. The point I am trying to make is that the game is rigged for action. If your on the losing side, it will look like your a 98% favorite but you will lose. I was in a cash game. I had pocket 4's and I was against A,5. The flop came out 4,4,5. After some re-raises we ended up all in. The pot was over $200. OK showdown. The turn was a 5, followed by a 5 on the river. IS that even possible? Now this is where it is scary. I played in a 9-man $100 + $9 tournament. There was a pro in the room. He was highlighted in red and had his own icon. He was involved in 6 all-ins where he was the underdog and won all of them. I never challenged him because I knew the game wouldn't let me win. He was pocket 10's vs pocket aces. 10 on the river. etc.... you get my drift. Full Tilt is the only site that can make you doubt your own poker playing abilities. You think back to your hand and say, " I know I did the right thing!!!"
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#552
03-30-09, 04:58 PM
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So true Rusty - they program the action hands - the one I had below is illustrative - turn gives me nut straight and my opponent 2 pair - of course he hits his boat on the river - typical
Full Tilt Poker Game #11420744055: Satellite to $750K Guarantee (85788368), Table 2 - 50/100 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:45:52 ET - 2009/03/30 Seat 1: eqalizer (5,515) Seat 2: silverfox432 (1,970) Seat 3: mike10poker (940) Seat 4: OutOfSpace (210), is sitting out Seat 5: eldave1 (6,480) Seat 6: BIGxDUKExSIX (920) Seat 7: RiggaMorttis (2,325) Seat 9: hongnhat (3,870) BIGxDUKExSIX posts the small blind of 50 RiggaMorttis posts the big blind of 100 The button is in seat #5 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to eldave1 [As 9c] hongnhat calls 100 eqalizer calls 100 silverfox432 folds mike10poker calls 100 OutOfSpace folds eldave1 calls 100 BIGxDUKExSIX calls 50 RiggaMorttis checks *** FLOP *** [Tc Qs Jc] BIGxDUKExSIX checks RiggaMorttis checks hongnhat has 15 seconds left to act hongnhat bets 600 eqalizer has 15 seconds left to act eqalizer folds mike10poker folds eldave1 calls 600 BIGxDUKExSIX folds RiggaMorttis folds *** TURN *** [Tc Qs Jc] [Kd] hongnhat has 15 seconds left to act hongnhat bets 1,000 eldave1 calls 1,000 *** RIVER *** [Tc Qs Jc Kd] [Kc] hongnhat bets 2,170, and is all in eldave1 calls 2,170 *** SHOW DOWN *** hongnhat shows [Jh Kh] a full house, Kings full of Jacks eldave1 mucks hongnhat wins the pot (8,140) with a full house, Kings full of Jacks eldave1 is feeling angry eldave1: jesus foking christ *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 8,140 | Rake 0 Board: [Tc Qs Jc Kd Kc] Seat 1: eqalizer folded on the Flop Seat 2: silverfox432 didn't bet (folded) Seat 3: mike10poker folded on the Flop Seat 4: OutOfSpace didn't bet (folded) Seat 5: eldave1 (button) mucked [As 9c] - a straight, Ace high Seat 6: BIGxDUKExSIX (small blind) folded on the Flop Seat 7: RiggaMorttis (big blind) folded on the Flop Seat 9: hongnhat showed [Jh Kh] and won (8,140) with a full house, Kings full of Jacks |
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#553
04-02-09, 07:05 AM
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why you?
eldave, why does your site pick you to screw and every opponent you play to benefit? Do you think they have a personal vendetta against you? Even if it is rigges someone has to get screwed and someone has to benefit each time which gives you a 50 percent chance to benefit from the rigging. If that hand happened to me I would have cursed myself for callling a pot sized bet on the flop with a straight draw, sometimes that what you get, you could have just laid it down. For the record I'm not hired by a site to discount those who think online poker is rigged. I just don't understand how you guys think they decide who to rig and why you think they are rigging it against you EVERY time. I had AA yesterday in a 1/2 cash game ran up against KK we both were about 300 deep, it all gets in pre flop and he rivered a K. If that would have happened to one of you guys you would be screaming that its rigged. But the fact is he had a 20 percent chance to win, and this time happened to be one of those 20 percent. It happnens, I saw you post a hand on the previous page where you went all in with A rag, your oppenent had J10 and he won. So what? you were 60/40 do you expect to win that everytime. If you think its rigged don't play you don't have to play and come on here everytime you take a beat and cry that its rigged. Again I ask you why you? Why would they screw you over everytime they try to rig a hand? It makes zero sense unless you have a personal beef with one of the programmers or something
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#554
04-03-09, 07:49 PM
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Hey VA - I never claimed it was rigged against me (personally) but rigged to support a certain stlye of play against a certain class of players. The class of players are those who have cashed out see prior posts). The style of play it favors is - well - best called "beginners".
First - many many reasons for rigging including rake, increasing player population, etc. etc - so I won't go into all these. Keeping in mind that no-one has proof one way or the other because we don't have access to any hand histories but our own - the evidence to support it is rigged is antecdotal. There is no evidence to support it is not - so we are all pissing in the wind to some extent. What you will see me and many of the other poster claims is that - based on their own experience - out of nowhere they were getting totally different results then they used to - in most cases this followed a cash out. The types of results: * Could never win a race * Got cracked by just inexplicable calls (KK cracked by someone who calls your all in with 7-3, etc). * Get the unavoidable hands (KK in pocket - flop comes K 7 2 - get beat by 10 9 with runner runner straight. * Solid players become shitty players - I used to be in the 98 percentile - now - can't win a $3 SNG after I cashed. Billy - a prior poster - wins $200K one year and now his stats suck after he cashed. I play live 4 times a week - the good players hit bad luck occassionally - they do not lose their entire game. So - that is it - I do not think FT is set up to destroy eldave - however, I do not think it is random - I think it is cards dealt with a purpose. AND - I am obviously not alone in that regard. |
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#555
04-04-09, 04:57 AM
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eldave, I understand what you are saying and i can clearly see that you are not alone. However, in my opinion a lot of those things you are saying can be explained. There is so much bad play online that many bad beats are bound to happen and when you run really bad you run way worse than you ever will during live games, Ive been there too. I just think the only difference between internet play and live play is the way people play and solid players tend to remember the terrible beats and forget the many many times a horrible play throws you all his chips. As far as the cashout thing goes in my opinion its psychological. Lets say you play 1/2 cash games and you have 1000 in you account and decide to take 500 out. All of the sudden you only have 250 big blinds and you start to play scared because no one wants to bust. Like you said nobody knows for sure and I don't think we will ever be in agreement unless proof comes out one way or another. I just hope you and the other guys who are sure it is rigged will atleast think about what I said, I'm sure I won't convert any of you but its just something to think about.
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#556
04-04-09, 07:58 PM
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VA - first - to clarify - I am not certain it is rigged as I have no proof. If one only used my hands as the test results they would conclude that it is rigged as the odds do not reflect what one would expect to be statistically valid - so - maybe jsut my hands - but they are a joke. Especially, as I have posted before, in those situations where it is the big play (i.e., 70% or more of your chip stack at stake).
Anyway - i hope it is not rigged. I jsut believe it is - take care |
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#557
04-05-09, 10:32 AM
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ben playing live tournaments lately. So this morning I go on Full RIgged.d FIRST hand in a small .25/.50 game I get 47s. Flop comes KQxs. I floped a flush with 5 playes in hand. Call the flop. Turn is a 4d. I bet pot. Get one call, one fold. Next card, sure enough is a fourth spade. Guy bets pot, I fold. In live game I might call, but on full rigged you gotta know the guy has a higher spade.
Garbage poker for the most part. LOL |
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#558
04-06-09, 08:12 AM
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Yeah, you played 47 suited and the 4th spade hit the board, plus there's a pair on the board. Opponent could easily have boat or better, quit playing garbage and you won't get stacked so often.
The reason you think the odds are tilted more heavily when 70% or more of your stack is in the middle is because of perception. You remember those hands a whole lot more than when the pot was only a couple bucks. Quit getting it all in with a high pocket pair, in the end it's still just a pair. mike |
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#559
04-06-09, 08:25 AM
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Im 100% now, had a disaster on my ipoker account and decided i needed a change of site just to cool off and rebuild. I put fiddy on full tilt and the two days on there were hilarious, except this time i sucked out loads.
I probably played about 8 hours total and saw about 4-5 runner runner straights on similar hands (both paired same card but weaker kicker sucked r-r straight)and about 8 AAorKK outdraws, all of them post flop ie definitely <18%. I had a whale of a time outdrawing AA and flopped trips over 50% of the time i'd say. I lost a chunk of my broll on ipoker about $1K due to bad luck and a loss of self control (well pi**ed off at myself) but in the 3 months ive been on ipoker i have never seen so many predictable suck outs as the 2 days i spent on FT. Someone on here wrote that pokertracker didnt pick up anything special about preflop results but if there was some way of tracking 1000's of turns and rivers for all-in situations im so sure theres something fishy with the rng. Ive posted ideas on here about how we could all be wrong about this, but its not the players or no. of hands seen or compiled, relatively short odds. The difference in feeling when playing ipoker and full tilt is like the difference in rolling a dice and flipping a coin, it feels soooo obvious! Anyone noticed the pattern of there being quite a large gap of no suckouts and then an unnatural flip to <3%ers, its like the obvious trackable outdraws ie flushes, open end st8 draws all are correct, but there is an abundance of really unlikely outdraws. I think due to this, its under the radar. It's such a shame cos FT and Stars are the the best sites for graphics, traffic, tournys etc. I would be on there every day if they went straight. |
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#560
04-06-09, 09:29 AM
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Mike - (1) just for clarification, you are mixing two different posters (4 7 suited and the odds guy) (2) you are just wrong in terms of my post - my conclusions are not based on "perception". They are based on a detailed review of my actual hand histories. e.g., the odds of my overpair holding up against an underpair when 70% or more of the chips are at stake are considerably different, etc.). Admittedly, as I have said before these are my personal stats and do not mean anything in terms of the billions of hands played. But they are my real numbers - not my imagination.
To Buck - yes and the other pattern that continues is the low ROI players that you will see in the top 30 or so - something you defintely do not see live. |
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#561
04-07-09, 12:22 PM
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And just as a follow-up. - this is exactly what I am talking about. There is one player to go from the bubble. Dama1 calls the preflop raise with QJ, out of position - flop misses him entirely so of course he pushes all in out of position. And of course he wins on the winner as a 94% DOG.
I go out on bubble. Yep - this of course happens. However - the problem is that on FT it happens ALL THE TIME. The inexplicable play follwed by the inevitable reward. *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to eldave1 [Jc Js] rjf2427 folds Paolello folds eldave1 raises to 3,000 PoketAAK folds sHoA folds 9er_CHECK folds dama1 calls 2,500 CutUrHeadOff has 15 seconds left to act CutUrHeadOff folds *** FLOP *** [3h 7c 5d] dama1 bets 8,000 eldave1 calls 7,389, and is all in dama1 shows [Jd Qd] eldave1 shows [Jc Js] Uncalled bet of 611 returned to dama1 *** TURN *** [3h 7c 5d] [Tc] *** RIVER *** [3h 7c 5d Tc] [Qs] dama1 shows a pair of Queens eldave1 shows a pair of Jacks dama1 wins the pot (22,778) with a pair of Queens *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 22,778 | Rake 0 Board: [3h 7c 5d Tc Qs] Seat 1: eldave1 showed [Jc Js] and lost with a pair of Jacks Seat 2: PoketAAK folded before the Flop Seat 3: sHoA folded before the Flop Seat 4: 9er_CHECK (button) folded before the Flop Seat 5: dama1 (small blind) showed [Jd Qd] and won (22,778) with a pair of Queens Seat 7: CutUrHeadOff (big blind) folded before the Flop Seat 8: rjf2427 folded before the Flop Seat 9: Paolello folded before the Flop |
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04-07-09, 02:31 PM
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That's a fair question Sir. Take this as you will. I play live tourneys about five times a week and I make pretty decent money at it (there are several local casinos where I live). I play cheap on-line games as a form of practice (even though I think it is rigged)because it teaches you valuable stuff. For example, you learn to play very close attention to betting patterns since it is the only "tell" available. That carries over nicely to live games. You learn to play with donks (or at least avoid some of the donk pitfalls) since there are so many. You learn odds since you can take your time looking them up (poker academy has a nice tool for this) after hands are played - can't so that live. All that being said - I do not think it is random. Good practice nonetheless.
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#565
04-08-09, 09:11 PM
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well, I just withdrew my small account from full tilt.
I played in two small tournies tonght ot pass time. I am on button and get an all-in bet from BB with AQ off-suit. I call him since I have watched him play and figure 8s were best, and gotta hold up ONE time on this garbage site. LOL But each time I have 8s tonight they fail to hold up (this was 2nd small tournament tonight where I busted with 8s). Sure... they lose in live games also sometimes. But I have not played on FRT in a long time, and yet soon as I play there again the same stuff occurs with pp losing to donk bets/calls. It's just no fun, for me. Really isn't when you can't trust a dealing system. What guy goes all-in from BB with AQ off-suit in a tournamnet. Not one pro would do that in any tournament. unless they wer heads-up or down to final 4 maybe. Yet Full Rigged continues to reward these donks. You might as well play craps than play on Full Rigged. Good poker or better poker does not count on this site, for much. Only time it counts is when I bluff or check-raise. Otherwise in a favorable odds situation, you are ass-backwards on this garbage site! b.t.w the guy who went all-in had only a few chips more than me so he risked it all for no reason. yet the DONK TILT site rewarded his poor play. Of course I dodn't have to call. BUT I WAS a 55/45 favorite to win. So it wasn't a bad call. I did have the best hand after all. IF he had a pp JJ or 10s etc. then it would have been a poor call. But he didn't as I expected fro watching him play. But it didn't matterl this site is programmed to hit the players in the hands so that they create bigger pots and bigger rakes. Also, I do not think it is good practice. |
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#566
04-09-09, 07:49 AM
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I know this might not appear to be the bad beat that we are all talking about... But I think it goes to showing something is fishy in terms of people knowing whats happening.
Playing a 20 sit and go... about 7 folks left... I get ACE Queen off in the BB. Guy in first position raises to 200... goes around the table and no callers... I raise to 400... the guy calls. Flop comes 5 Q 9 rainbow.... I bet 500... Get a call. G0es to the turn and it's something trandom, but not an overcard... Go all in... He calls... Guy played Queen Nine. Again, maybe it's being a little too conspiracy theorish.. but you're going to tell me a guy at a 20 table in 1st position calls a re-raise of his queen nine... a significant re-raise at that? Something tells me he knew what was coming. |
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#567
04-10-09, 10:37 PM
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I've played on full tilt off and on for a couple years and I've had some of the same experiences that have been posted. However, about six months ago I changed my approach to the game. When I'm in a game with people playing loose and just throwing chips around, I take a more passive approach. Yeah the experts say you should play raise or fold poker, but to what point? Let's say you have AK in early position in a 1/2 nl game. Two people fold, you raise to 7 and get 5 callers and the blinds fold. The flop is A 10 7 rainbow. Pretty safe right? But what is your next move? You don't want to let any draws in, and you know as well as I do that even some people with KJ would call a 15 dollar bet. Say you bet 30. A10 is a possible hand and they would probably raise you, but so would AQ. The point is I avoid building big pots with players who play marginal hands. It's not hard to get paid off so wait until you have more then top pair. Some of these posts are unavoidable, and yeah it sucks, but it's just the nature of the beast. Lastly I want to point out some of the terrible players that you see in the WSOP. I've seen people who were flat out gambling on a lot of hands, and yet some how they make it deep into the tournament. Part of the problem is people get frustrated and make a point to go after them. Just let them come to you. They can't resist. So to wrap this up I want to leave you a guideline that comes right out of Super System. "Don't play big pots without big hands"
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#568
04-13-09, 09:11 AM
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jaywepp, you said the guy made it 200 utg and you raised it to 400, that means even if there were no antes, after your re raise there was atleast around 700 in the pot with your raise and the blinds. It was only 200 for him to call giving him 3.5:1 odds. Which by the way would give him the right odds to call even though you had him dominated. You called significant but it was basically a min raise I don't see why you would do that unless you had kings or aces and wanted him in the hand. Did you really expect a guy raise 200 utg then fold to a raise 200 more? You are going to get a call 9 times out of 10 there reguardless of what the guy is holding. Your claim that the guy somehow knew that his 2 pair was coming doesnt really make any sense. Maybe you should look at your own play instead of claiming people are magically seeing the future. You could have flat called pre flop and maybe you wouldnt have went broke, you could have made a real raise pre flop and he probably would have laid it down. In my opinion your raise was very strange and his call was very standard.
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#569
04-13-09, 07:16 PM
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Don't really know if the guy knew what was coming or not. VA Poker is dead right if it is a live game - pop the guy 3 or 4 times his raise and he is gone. The problem with FT is that it doesn;t matter - I pretty much am sure that had he raised a $1,000 or even all in he gets the same call and the fella gets the same reward.
Bad moves simply get rewarded on FT and good moves get punished - period. The classic is when someone shoves all in to a potential set (e.g.,you have A 7 - he has K - 3 and the flop comes K - 5- 6). The guy with the sucky K shoves (a horrible play by any standard) -you tremble and call and as soon as you do the K hits the turn. Peace - out. Never fails. Or the classic I got the underpair - fok I'll shove. You have A-K, they have J-J. You call pre-flop raise, flop comes A - K rag and bam - tehy instant shove. You call - turn of course is J. And it please understand - I don't think it's just poor old eldave - I jsut sit at my computer and call out the rapings for all the players as they come. Keep track - you will see that poor play is paid off. |
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#570
04-13-09, 08:50 PM
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Maybe the guy would have called a healthy re raise, maybe he wouldn't have but my point was that the guy has no room to complain because he priced the guy into the pot. If he had made a bigger raise, gotten the call then got sucked out on I could see his complaint. To be honest with you, I don't play on full tilt, never have. I play on playersonly on the cake network. Not to brag or anything but I am a winning player online as well as live although I do play with a different style online. I don't keep my hand histories or anything but have been playing atleast 20 hours a week on this site for 2 years and can tell you that although Ive taken my share of beats I think my stats would be pretty much what you would expect, not like yours on full tilt. Also, when I am in tourneys or sit n go's and I look a players stats up the guys who are playing poorly usually have a bad roi and the guys playing well usually have a good one. Maybe you should switch to playersonly or another site and give full tilt a rest.
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