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[HDFXDLI]

If you reload UB to yur computor read the part about excepting there agreement yu have to check it to continue loading the program the info is all in there make sure to read to the very bottom of it there is more info there hope this helps.

fasteddy18788
May 28, 2007
I have over $400.00 in a cash account with Ultimate Bet. It is gone. I have written to customer service more than a dozen times. I have received no response at all. Has anyone else had this proplem? How can it be resolved? Where are the corporate headquarters located? What is the name of the parent corporation? I would like to contact them directly.

[headstains]

i was just wondering if anyone has ever cashed out in the form of a check through ultimate bet. They say it takes 2-6 weeks to recieve your check but that is odd to me since i have gotten checks from at least 3 other sites, and it never takes more than 1-2 weeks to get it. I was just wondering how long it actually takes to recieve the check once it is processed.

[bigdreams101]

I am not trying to spam this:

[url]http://www.kahnawake.com/gamingcommission/[/url]

This is the gaming commission UltimateBet.com is regulated by.

[common terry]

how does this guy make all these calls unless he knows..? they make it hard to get hand histories at ub or i would show u the classic made 700 in may, lost 200 in june, (with great hands). they wont let me win there anymore. ive seen it on every site.

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Hand #42331768-60193 at Coleraine (No Limit Hold'em)
Started at 30/Jun/07 17:57:21

NTT is at seat 0 with $91.90 (sitting out).
Blackened999 is at seat 1 with $5.80.
terry cloth is at seat 2 with $9.50.
Pelzmeister is at seat 3 with $49.30.
abalenger is at seat 4 with $38.95.
LadyD OOB is at seat 5 with $124.50.
wert1950 is at seat 6 with $54.45 (sitting out).
peachez44 is at seat 7 with $28.75.
botrau is at seat 8 with $21.75.
MrLuckbox2U is at seat 9 with $45.85.
The button is at seat 8.

MrLuckbox2U posts the small blind of $.25.
Blackened999 posts the big blind of $.50.

Blackened999: -- --
terry cloth: Tc Kc
Pelzmeister: -- --
abalenger: -- --
LadyD OOB: -- --
peachez44: -- --
botrau: -- --
MrLuckbox2U: -- --

Pre-flop:

terry cloth raises to $1. Pelzmeister folds.
abalenger folds. LadyD OOB folds. peachez44 folds.
botrau calls. MrLuckbox2U calls. Blackened999
folds.

Flop (board: 5d 3d Td):

MrLuckbox2U checks. terry cloth bets $3.50. botrau
calls. MrLuckbox2U folds.

Turn (board: 5d 3d Td 2s):

terry cloth goes all-in for $5. botrau calls.

River (board: 5d 3d Td 2s Qd):

(no action in this round)




Showdown:

terry cloth shows Tc Kc.
terry cloth has Tc Kc 5d Td Qd: a pair of tens.
botrau shows Js 9d.
botrau has 9d 5d 3d Td Qd: flush, queen high.


Hand #42331768-60193 Summary:

$1 is raked from a pot of $20.50.
botrau wins $19.50 with flush, queen high.

[lloydy84]

Here is my say on UB.

First of all I have made nearly 4 times my deposit on ub. I have played on party poker, absolute poker, titan and pacific.

UB is my second favourite behind pacific poker. there are far fewer bad beats than the rest of these sites. After nearly 450'000 hands, here is what I have to say.

1) K,K v A,A happens far too often. you guys that said this are correct. Using my poker tracker stats, whenever I have had K,K I have been up against A,A 1 out of every 9 times.

2)K,K, believe it or not, is a losing hand for me. Unbelievable I know. i have considered folding pre flop but I take others advice and play as i should. Against any ace, on UB it is a race, 50/50 not the 2-1 it should be. Against suited connecters, it is maybe 60-40 in kings favour.

3) Of course UB encourages betting. The higher the bets, the bigger the rake, the higher the profits. Countless times i have predicted the very card that will come on the river. If I have 2 pair/set, and I am pretty sure my opponant is drawing to a flush, I am almost certain I will hit my full house, as well as him hitting his flush. Or visa versa. Of course it is an all in situation, and higher rake/profits for UB.

4) apart from these facts, Ub is quite good.

[smack77]

As lloydy84 says. KK vs. AA happens about 1 out of 10 times. Incredible considering the odds are more then 1 in over 20,000. Unlike Lloydy84, I constantly get bad beat. In over 50% of tournaments I am crippled or eliminated by 9 to one odds. And the majority of the time it's on or near the bubble.

Examples... AA vs. AK... backdoor flushes... runner-runners.... horrible donk calls with 4 to 10% chance of winning are constantly paid out. I really like their interface... but they use robot props in cash games. It's an f'n scam. I wish I would have listened to my elders instead of these retards who say...

They make enough money so why would they risk cheating.... Ummm... how many businesses are completely legit? Not evading the law on taxes or cooking their books. This is poker, a cheating mans sport.. ran by people who want to make quick cash. I'm sure there are some completely legit online poker sites out, but this sure isn't one of them.

I'm not some losing player donk. I'm a player that knows he's been cheated at times and am f'n pissed about it.

[winwynn88]

I have been playing online for years since back when I could play on pacificpoker, party poker and I forget the other good one. I used to always win overall! Tournament play was great... I won hundreds a month and made it to so many final tables. I dont recall every seeing the bad beats that I SEE ON ULTIMATE BET!! I started playing on UB about a year ago. I quickly learned that the bad beats and the underdog preflop won so often that I could no longer profit on tournament play as I had for years on the other sites! I stuggle just to stay even. Then this past month what I have seen is incredible. Its just not a bad run! The last day I played on UB and I WILL NEVER play again on probably any online site unless I could see that they were not doing this same crap. My last day of play I was on great game and read skills but I still lost all day! At 4am I said I know I can win so I bought back in. I never won! I went all in preflop twice with AA COINCIDENTLY ENOUGH EVERY TIME I HAD BIG PP they had QQ and 67 and they both beat my aces. I then had AK/s all in preflop vs. 22, yes I hit my K and they hit their 2. Now I realize AA will lose all in preflop SOMETIMES but not every single time and its convient to say the least that they always have something to call with. HOW did 67 know to call me? (was that a bot) I have always said on that site that worst hand wins but I still cant seem to push all in without the cards!!I have now heard that not do they only have the paid PROS playing for the site but they even have COMPUTERS. We'll if I too knew what the other player had and what the board would be then I could perhaps not payoff the bot! I flop a straight get pushed all in by a hand that has nothing and they somehow pull miracle running cards time and time again!! I swear I flop the nuts and I seem to get called all in and I ALWAYS GET BEAT! I warn all those that are considering that maybe these sites are scams or are thinking of playing DONT! If you dont want your money then just give it away to someone besides these rip off sites. They should have been happy about all the money they were making but they are greedy and I do believe that in the future people will become made aware of the scam and they will lose all of their CUSTOMERS! Just remember if you do play that the site PAYS OFF THE DONK so if you are the DONK then you might be winning!

[winwynn88]

Oh yeah plus on that same run I had KK... all in preflop yup you know it I lost to JJ!

[jdawg78]

In my search to find a new site to play at, I decide to play some .50/1 NL Hold'em (100 max buy-in) 9-10 player, just for a few hours before calling it a night at UB on Christmas. I had 3 unbelievable bad beats in a row during this time... I lost 300 dollars at this limit!!!

Unreal, this has never happen in a single session at any other site I have played at. I can usually hold my own at higher limits and tournament and have a good ROI the past 3 years.

These players seem to know what was cards where coming and or knew what my hole cards where. Nothing else could explain their actions, or they way they played. They were making a killing on other players as well…

First suck out: AK vs. KJ.
I have AK in the SB, 5 players (loose, passive) limp in, I raise it to 11. Every one folds to a Player with KJo who flats calls from early position. (Note he has 400.00 plus in front of him in a 100 max buy in???, and I have 118.00 post-flop) The flop comes 2 7 K (two suited, no flush draw for either of us), I bet the pot which was around 25, the other player flat calls again??? Then the J (he only had 3 outs) came on the turn. The rest was history, I made another pot size bet, which made me pot commented and he moves all in. couldn’t put him on KJ, -118 there…

Second weird post flop play: AK vs. 53s.
I have Ah Kc in middle position, one player (just sat down at the table a few minutes prior) limps, I raise to 4.5, everyone folds to the SB who calls with 5d3d. The flop comes Ad, Qd, 7d. The other player has 200BB plus, I have a little under 100BB. He comes out raising with a made flush (118 to 1), over betting the flop and etc. and I re-raised and he moved all in. had to call… -100 or so there…

Third suck out. Ah Ac vs. 8c 9c
I have Ac Ah in middle position. A (loose, aggressive player) from early position raises to 4.5, I call, a player (unknown, just join the table with 100BB) in the sb calls with 8c 9c and the BB folds. 3 players see the flop of 5d 2c Jc, the player in the SB with 89 bets the pot with flush draw, the earlier position player calls, and I re-raise 3x the pot. The player with 89 flat calls, early position player folds, then a Jd falls on the turn. I have about 58BB left, already put almost half my stack in already. Player with 89 checks, I raise the pot (50BB), thinking he going to fold here if he has flush draw, since he is getting 2 to 1, there’s a pair on the board, he as two under cards, and has about 14% chance of winning if I don’t have a better flush/draw, with no express olds whatsoever. He calls of course and a 4c comes on the river… I have 8BB left. He moves all-in. I call… Unbelievable…

NO ONE COULD HAVE MADE THAT PLAY WITHOUT KNOWNING SOMETHING. Then he starts chatting that we couldn’t believe he won and etc.

This was the most unreal mind boggling play sequence I have ever experience.

I will never play at Ultimate Cheat ever again.

[jessanders]

Ok... Honestly... I've lost money playing online, quite a bit, when I am a consistent winner in $50-$500 live buy-in tournaments and $.25,$.50-$2,$5 cash games, but is that because online poker is rigged?
I've analysed this an awful lot through my own play, hand histories, as well as those of a few of my friends, and I have noticed 4 major differences between online play on ALL websites I've analysed (UB being one of them) versus live play:
1. People play more hands for more money online than they do in live play.
2. People call with weaker hands on the flop/turn/river in case you are bluffing more often.
3. The average bet in online games is the pot, where in most live games people bet between the minimum bet to 2/3 the pot more often.
4. People semi-bluff and straight out bluff with hands they normally wouldn't.

To explain.
1. You see people limp in a lot in both online and live play. The difference between online play and live play is that people get crazy for some reason.
In live play, people will limp with Q-Jo under the gun, but if there is a raise and a re-raise, most of the time they will fold. Online, this seems to be a calling situation far more frequently, meaning that more hands make it to the flop more often, which means there are more suckouts.

2. People may call a big raise in live play with 8-9s in position preflop, but if the flop is 2-9-A rainbow, they will usually either call the bet on the flop or fold. Online, they seem to raise a lot more in this situation.
This leads, again, to people getting "pot-committed" (I put in quotes because they really aren't, but they get it in their mind that they are), and staying with a hand to the river they normally wouldn't.
This applies to little pocket-pairs on a ragged board.
You're pretty likely to fold 5-5 if someone under the gun raised, you called, the flop comes out 2-6-8, they bet, you raise, they push all-in. In a live game, this is usually an easy fold (again, not always going to fold here, not always correct, but sometimes). Online, people call in this situation far more often.

3. People re-raise, raise and call to bluff on later streets in all forms of poker in both online and live poker, but the likelihood that a person is semi-bluffing online is far greater than in live games. If you are a consistent winner in live games, but a consistent loser in online games, track how often you raise as a semi-bluff, or even as a straight bluff, in both live and online games. You'll find that you're doing it more online.

4. This ties into 3 a lot too. If you semi-bluff raise on the flop when your opponent bets 1/2 the pot (an average continuation bet out of position in live play), and you raise 3x that bet (an average raise in live play), you put in 1 and 1/2 the original pot to win 1 and 1/2 the original pot. Even if he does call, the original pot is only swelling to 3x it's size (the original, 1/2 [his bet], 1 and 1/2 [your raise], 1 [his call]).
This leads to the average pot, post flop, assuming all average bets/raises (3x the big blind preflop, both blinds folding) at between 14 and 16 big blinds.
Online, raise the pot preflop (assuming no limpers), 3.5x the big blind. You call, there is 8.5 BB's in the pot preflop (as opposed to the 7.5 in live play).
He bets the pot (8.5), you re-raise the pot (there are 17 big blinds in with is bet and yours preflop and his bet on the flop, you call 8.5 bringing it to 25.5, and raise 25.5 more, bringing the total pot to 51 bb's as you semi-bluff).
Where does this leave you?
If you are playing an average stack of 100x the big blind, in live play, you've committed approximately 1/6 of your stack, where as online, you've committed over 1/4, and you've almost pot committed yourself.
This leads to bigger pots and more bad beats.
So, when you say online poker is rigged, first analyze the extraneous factors that could lead to this being a thought before accusing the sites of having more bad beats.
And by the way, Aces against an average hand all-in is only about a 75% favorite. However, aces get all-in and called online much more often, and therefore they lose more often.
And the odds of someone having Aces when you have Kings, 24-1, so roughly 4%. This happens much more often online because, well, you see on average about 3x the hands.

[Cronides]

heres an example of a typical hand in UB

re-flop:

XMoneyMakerAA has disconnected, is dropped.
bad4mo2fo0 folds. J0CASINO folds. ezcomezgo1234
raises to 35. GOLD_FINGER-2 folds. XMoneyMakerAA
folds. samshire calls. cfdff162 folds. DueceTreMe
folds. oscarm calls. TheCaptain1 folds.

Flop (board: 5h Kc 8h):

oscarm checks. ezcomezgo1234 bets 115. samshire
goes all-in for 1465. oscarm folds. ezcomezgo1234
goes all-in for 1455. samshire is returned 10
(uncalled).

Tournament all-in showdown -- players show:

ezcomezgo1234 shows 6h 8c.
samshire shows Kd Qh.


Turn (board: 5h Kc 8h 4s):

(no action in this round)


River (board: 5h Kc 8h 4s 7s):

(no action in this round)
XMoneyMakerAA has reconnected.




Showdown:

ezcomezgo1234 has 6h 8c 5h 4s 7s: straight, eight high.
samshire has Kd Qh Kc 8h 7s: a pair of kings.


Hand #53487270-2 Summary:

No rake is taken for this hand.
ezcomezgo1234 wins 3025 with straight, eight high.
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[kyhangdog]

I'm using my first ever post to say that UB is rigged. How it's rigged; who knows. All I know is that it is a statistical anomaly to lose to two-outers as often as I have. If you've played online poker for a while, you just get a sense when the deal is not kosher. UB is rigged.

[ub_cheats]

i started on ub in 99, one of the originals, stopped putting money in there site in 02 and only played freerolls, started accusing them of cheating in late 03, over the next 4 years kept records of what was happening, and here is what really stands out, first, i had the best hand 98% of the time at any all in and i lost 95% of the time, over a 4 years period, thats BS!!!!!!!! not even close to realistic, 2nd my pockets would only hit the set, 1-75 times on average, ive gone as high as 1-294, again not realistic, over a 4 year period i averaged 70 bad beats a day on a 4 hour session, now im a very tight player so im running around 28% of flops seen, do the math, so where are the idiot people saying, (you say its rigged because your a bad player) ill tell you where they are, there on ub with 8-6 off calling a all in against A-A and hitting running 8s, ub is rigged no doubt, they are rigged, i know it they know it and now everybody knows it thank you for reading my post

[bad_dog76]

STAY CLEAR OF THIS WEBSITE!!!!!!!!

Same people who own Absolute Poker and GOT CAUGHT CHEATING with Superuser accounts like "POTRIPPER" own Ultimate Bet, and again allagations have surfaced that their have been multiple SUPERUSER accounts like "NioNio" who have ripped off MILLIONS of dollars from innocent bystanders.

Google AP scandal and UB scandal and you'll find all the information you want on these matters.
Absolute Poker, after initially denying the fact that they FUCKING CHEATED people out of MILLIONS of dollars, admitted to having a person from the inside, steal MILLIONS of dollars from people because they had the ability to see every players hole cards.
I'll NEVER play online poker again! The only reason these two websites got caught is because they made it SO OBVIOUS.
God only knows how many other online poker sites have people from the inside stealing money, but not making it so obvious. And since none of these poker sites are regulated, nothing will be done about it!
STAY AWAY FROM ULTIMATE BET AND ABSOLUTE POKER!
CHEATERS!!!!! CHEATERS!!!!!!! THIEVES!!!!!!!!

[Petitefleur2]

< sorry for my english because i'm from a non-english speaking country >

- ok, UltimateBet had a security problem with one of its employee in 2008. But this problem has been fixed and i'm sure than now UltimateBet is the most secured place to play (because the problem has been discovered and corrected)

- the customer support is really reactive and efficient, nothing to say. They respond to email within 1 hour !

- great software, may be one of the best of the market

- a lot of players, at small and high stake

I really love this site.

*****************************************
One more important remark :

i'm playing online poker for years (and i tried a lot of poker rooms)and :
- i had a lot of bad beats at all my poker rooms without any exception, but i had also some lucky river.

*****************************************

[MisterT]

I won't go into how I believe the flops are juiced and true odds are thrown right out the window but this message is about trying to get my money out of UB. They simple make excuses why I can't have MY money. It is only $126 so no big deal but it is the principle. UB told me that if I deposit more money then I could withdraw it all at once at a later date. Isn't that a little like throwing a piece of meat to a lion and then asking for it back? What is to keep them from keeping my new deposit as well? My friend in New York had the same problem so it is just not me. BEWARE!!!!

[JustHowIseeit]

When I joined the site I didnt do my research, then after seeing some really odd hands over and over I seen the article on the site cheating that was mentioned above.

So when I first joined I won a lot, I was up several thousand dollars in no time. Then it was like a light swich a week later, I lost every game I played! Then I would win a little and I could expect to lose every game the next day. It seems to me that there are preselected players and/or seats that will win during that game no matter how they play, no skill is needed. If you notice the large stack at these tables, they go in with nothing and win to big hands, it dont matter what they have they get the hand over and over, they cant lose. Not sure if this is new players or what determins the winner, but it is very obvious.

Then you can always see the setup hand I call it. When you have short stack with a great hand in a big tournament it is better to just fold down into more money, they just want the next person gone, you will lose if someone calls you all in.

I have a lot more, but I can tell you this for an example, it happens a lot. I will have AA to lets say 10 10 all in, they would get a straight for the win a lot of the time. I have seen more straights on this site then anyone could imagine.

I used customer service once, its a joke! Good luck with this site. I have played a few sites and a lot of online games, so far I think Full Tilt #1 and and Poker Stars #2 as sites I would recomend. Good luck.

[brockleerob]

i'm not here to complain about bad beats. i used to love ultimate bet. one day i was playing and the bad beat hit the level i was playing and i got 140 something bucks out of it. i used to refer everyone to ultimatebet.com. then one day after many successful deposits and withdrawals i couldn't log in. they didn't know why but then they said i had to validate my account. i didn't understand why it would need to be validated after all of my deposits and withdrawals but they insisted. they wanted a copy of a utility bill, drivers license, and credit card. i'm surprised they didn't ask for a stool sample. well this started about 2 months ago and i'm still sending them my information and they're still saying that they aren't getting it or that it's too blurry to read. they've already threatened to just close my account and keep whats in it. i'm guessing they're hoping i just give up. so if you really need to play online poker i recommend staying away ultimate bet and their poor business practices so that you don't get screwed over like me.

brockleerob

[twoking10]

I understand. I play on UB too under the name twoking10. I usually play $10 or 20 S&G's. I started with $200 and have been cashing out very consistently from $150 up to $250 every week. However, I have noticed some real crap. Today, EVERY 2 or 3 outer on the turn or river that someone could hit... they hit. EVERY time. I mean, some days its like.. "son of a b---h." I could tell you some real horror stories but you know as well as I do about the bad beats. I'm considering going to another site.

[twoking10]

My previous post was all about the bad beats etc. on UB. Honestly , as far as money and cash out problems, I haven't had much problem with that. I cash out every week on Saturday from $150-$250 and get my check the following Friday.

[twoking10]

I just played an S&G on UlitimatBetfinished about 10 minutes ago. I'm heads up against a player who had been playing carefully the whole game. We are about even in chips (he has just 80 more than me).

He raises from the small blind with As6d. I call (keep in mind we are heads up) with 7sQh. Flop comes 7dQdKc. I hit two pair on the flop. He has not paired the board. The best he has is to BACKDOOR a straight, flush, or two pair. He puts in a large bet, I move-in, he calls. Turn and River are 6cAh. He backdoors two pair to beat my two pair. NO way anyone can tell me that isn't rigged. Ultimate Bet.

[twoking10]

I'm in 2nd position, full table, with JJ, 1318 in chips, blinds are 15-30. I raise to 120. Player in BB position calls with 75. Flop comes 3-6-10. He has no flush draw. He bets 30 on an inside straight draw. I don't know what he has yet but I am tired of getting sucked out on, I raise to 495, almost half my stack!! He calls on the inside straight draw and hits it with the 4!!! No way I'm getting out of this as I now have to much invested and still don't see an overcard on the board. I go bust. HE CALLED 40% OF MY STACK ON AN INSIDE STRAIGHT DRAW!!! not kidding. Ultimate Bet is bullshit.

[noyb45678]

Ultimate bet is absolutely rigged still. How are they still in business after getting busted once already?

[mdees00]

Ultimatebet is certainly rigged. I have played on the site for over 8 years. For very little money I assure you. I have thousands of hands videoed and documented. Currently I am losing over 88 percent of preflop all in hands in which I am favored. I have been called or reraised all in by 83 fourteen times in two months, preflop. Each time I have lost. Each hand I have had 1010 or better.
I suspect people here defending UB are associated with them. I know some 100 people who currently play or have played at UB. Not one is ahead in money. Yet most of these guys are solid players. Annie Duke and Phil Helmuth have lost any respect I had for them as players.
I personally get bad beat after bad beat. 69 percent of the time I lose when getting in best at the flop.
So, beware. It is VERY rigged.

[buck22]

I got 22k hands so far, filtering AA & KK that saw river I lost 14/60, about 4 to 1. Thats what its meant to be i think, obv if you play better or worse post flop the results are affected. In the last 9 months, ive encountered a $4k down swing at pokerstars, and a $2.5k downswing on stars+ultimatebet, it sux but it happens and its a case of they're ALL rigged or ALL straight, there's no difference between the sites RNG's.

One thing Ive been looking closely at of recent is rake. You'll be surprised how much rake affects your winrate. Maybe even making some lower stakes games unbeatable to the above average player.

Calling these sites rigged Im sure is a waste of time, there's other leaks you just gotta look for em. Good luck

[tarquinn21]

This won't be a post saying the site is rigged or the random number gen is rigged or anything like that, but, this is a true story that happened to me just last night and I just wanted to post it somewhere.

Quickly to explain, I joined a satellite tourney with a buyin of 44 points. I won top 16 and advanced to the $4 satellite (top 2 advance to $40+4 satellite to the 80k gtd).

I get down to the top 3. It's me, a dude we'll call "Jon" and another dude we'll call "Mark".

I have the button and I raise with AQ off, Mark calls, Jon folds. Flop comes JJ something. Mark checks, I min bet, Mark calls. Turn comes something, Mark checks, I continuation bet and Mark calls. River comes Jack to put 3 jacks on the board. Mark checks, I throw a bet out there and Mark FOLDS AND SHOWS A JACK for QUADS.

Me and Jon start typing and chatting, asking what the hell he was thinking. We get no response from Mark. The tournament takes a 5 minute break, and Jon and I continue to chat about what just happened and keep asking Mark to talk or say something. AFter the break, a few hands in, a very similar situation came up. After the river Jon bet and Mark folded/showed a flopped full house (9s full of 4s).

At this point Jon and I determined that we were facing a bot of some sort and it was either bugging out or is just programmed crappy when it gets down to the final few players. We went in cahoots and re-raised the bot all-in every hand that we could and checked anything called down to the river and we took Mark out. As soon as we figured out it was a bot, it was so painfully obvious we were not playing against a real player.

So that's my story. There ARE poker bots out there. i'm sure its just some other player's bot, but you could also argue that this thing is programmed by Ultimate Bet to join tournaments and knock people out or something, I don't know.

[mrkromer]

I'm not aware of a poker site where you can fold your cards and then show them; I guess you're talking about looking at the hand history?

mike

[VA Poker]

Originally Posted by mrkromer

I'm not aware of a poker site where you can fold your cards and then show them; I guess you're talking about looking at the hand history?

mike

Well you actually can fold and show on pretty much every site. Maybe you just have auto muck on when you play so you never see the option. That being said, this guys story is bs.

[tarquinn21]

nope, you're WRONG VA. 100% true.

[VA Poker]

Originally Posted by tarquinn21

nope, you're WRONG VA. 100% true.

Ok, if its true then you are a cheater. You admitted to colluding w/ another player. If it was brought to the attention of UB they would freeze your account and ban you.