ONLINE POKER - SITE - Paradise Poker

I've lost 10 of my last 14 all ins on the river on Paradise, having had the better pocket cards and indeed the best hand all the way to the river card. Maybe I am just unlucky, but I don't think so. Recent examples of defeats are me going all in after the flop with pocket Kings, only to be beaten by pocket queens when a Q came out on the river. Having pocket 5's, 5 on the flop...all in. Only to be beat by a flush when clubs came out on the turn and river and the best of all. Pocket Aces, ace on flop...all in, end up losing to pocket Jacks when Jacks came out on turn and river to give him 4 of a kind. Those were my last three defeats!!! I've also sat back and witnessed amazing defeats to other players on there and it seems almost all all ins end up being won or lost on the river card. I appreciate they may do this on purpose for dramatic effect but all I want to do is play poker, with equal odds to everyone else on the table. I am no Shark but nor am I a fish, and there are some extremely unlikely things that occur on Paradise far too often.

[chelsearule1]

dont play a multi table tourney on this site i had kk flop was k67 i checked he bet i went allin he called with aj clubs one club on board then two more clubs come out,if u dont double your chip in the first ten hands u have no chance of winning impossible.

[chelsearule1]

please no one ever play on this site its terrible u never win two sit n gos twice in a row its impossible i went all big blind with aj small blind called me with 38 off and catches straight there was olny 200 in the pot he calls my allin for 700 more,then i get aa lose to 10 10 then i have qq vs kk i hit a queen then he hits running flush cards,then i have nut straight he calls my allin with one card to more with ace high he catches flush cost him half of his stack he call what a donk too many donks never play omaha on this site the worst omaha players in the world and catch everything i have aakq allin he calls with 23910 and catches straight too many donks on this site.

Its is a scam. Obviously there are people who win money, but if you really pay attention to how the cards fall and who is winning the money, you will notice some strange patterns. I have won 2, tournaments for over $1500 each time. But, I still think its a scam. You are nieve to think its 100% legit. I have watched certain people win thousands of dollars over a couple hours. Staying in with big bets and sh*t cards, only to win on the river...over and over again. I have seen people bet huge with a low pair and A-K on the flop. Almost like they can see what everyone else is holding. And it happens over...and over again. Amazingly, they continue to rack up hundreds of dollars, while other people at the table continue to get smoked. I cant even count how many times I've seen someone stay in with 2-8 OS on a big bet only to catch a full house and take a huge pot. I know this happens from time to time, but when its the same person catching the hand, over and over....you have to be a moron to think you arent getting scammed.

Just open your eyes, and pay attention.....you will see!

If you end up on a table with one of these people......do yourself a favor, and find a new table. Money can be made, but you have to be smart. You might be a good poker player, but no matter how good you are, its impossible to win of someone can see your cards!

And what makes you think that some employees dont want to make some extra money??

Heres an idea....when you see some catching river, after river...and winning hand after hand. Put them in your "friends" section. And every time you log on, check to see if they are playing. And if so, just watch them play....you might be surprised to see them catching the river, day after day.

Dont be a fool. Protect your money, and find a table that looks legit.

I have studied over 5,000 hands at Paradise. The only time I noticed abnormal results, were after abnormally stupid bets.

The incredible growth on these sites leave more than a few players that do not have clue.

Learn to play against them, or quit.

Either way, please accept some cheese with your WHINE!

[HPG ADMIN]

But assuming people made abnormally stupid bets, say ,2% of the time gives you only 100 hands. You would ned a sample at least 100 times that for to start to mean something.

Folks,
I have logged more brick and mortar time in Vegas than most if not all of you in here. I have been trying to win at online poker now @
Pokerstars, Fulltiltpoker, Paradisepoker, empire, and a few others for 2 years.

I have won several Vegas tourneys and turned good profits in limit games 4-8, 5-10.

I have never ever turned a profit after 1 month with a $100 buyin. I only play sit-n-go's and limit games.

The hands are absolutely crazy how they land online. I am no longer an online player only brick and mortar.

It will be revealed in the near future how the sites spike deals to gain everyones money over time. You may strike it quick but will give it all back. NOT SO IN PERSON!!!

Enjoy playing the software I am going to stick with the real thing People I can see.

[HPG ADMIN]

I am not refuting your B&M profit claims but I am curious if: 1. you keep detailed records of all your sessions and 2. are the games different (looser/tighter/aggressive/passive) online?

Forget statistics, and how many hands youve played here or there. There are exactly 2 questions to ask yourself:

1: Is it possible to write code that can scam people on the poker sites?

Yes it is definetly possible.

2: Is it human nature to try and gain an advantgae by cheating other people?

Absolutey. Empires were built on that premise. Countries founded and funded.

Do you think that becasue a company is big and making money anyway they wont try and steal more money? Human greed is the most powerful force on the planet. It has been for centuries.

[HPG ADMIN]

Those areguments prove the POSSIBILITY of cheating on poker sites and not cheating itself. I don't think there is anyone out there arguing that cheating isn't possible so those reasons don't add anything constructive to the argument.

Well is anyone going to actually go and offically prove it? Possibility is all we got. Proving the possibility is enough for most people to be cautious.

[HPG ADMIN]

No one will prove it - all that will do is just prove to the 70% of poker players that lose money that they are losers and not being scammed. Those 70% would rather live in their comfortable world of excuses and be portrayed as victims. And the 30% who are winners don't want to scare thr fish away by opening the losers' eyes to their own incompetence.

Look kkeily I know that some people win money time after time online. As I have seen the vast majority of these players are nothing short of terrible and will get killed in brick and mortar card games. I myself can never seem to get over the "hump" online. I win for a time and then I lose it all in one night to stupid bad beats. I will tell you I have never lost money in a no limit holdem cash game in a casino, so I have some idea how to play which is tight as hell. I don't play any different online than in a casino and rarelly see over 20% of flops and hardely ever limp into a pot and yet I can't seem to win online. That being said I don't know if the websites are cheating are not. They will get the money through the rake regardless of who wins the pot, but you have to admit that bad players do seem to win more online than they do at a live game. I don't think that it is out of the question to think that these sights reward terrible play to keep the bad players around. We will never be able to prove that the sights are "cheating" if that is what you want to call it. They will however stop at nothing to maximize their profits by any means. If that means "helping" terrible players win so they stick around I don't think that is unthinkable.

<< We will never be able to prove that the sights are "cheating" >>

Of course we will. Do a statistical analysis of millions of hands looking at all possible variables (pre-flop/flop/turn/river,chip stacks,age of accounts, etc). Why do you phrase your opinions as if they are facts - "You have to admit online poker is fixed . . " "We will never be able to prove it . . " Do you really think that ALL online poker is fixed? there are like 50 decent poker sites out there now. How do you explain that one? Let me guess - the online losers who never make money just happen to pick the only sites that are fixed. What a coincidence.

okey dokey. first...I do not believe in poker scamming even though I know there are poker odds calculator software out there and I get really really heated when the odds land absolutely ridiculously. It happens...I know...astronomical odds....but over and over and over...that is astronomical in itself. At paradise poker I played a simple 5-1 sit down. I don't expect pros at this table nor to a claim to be one. However, this situation just drew its wild attention to me. latter in the tourney about the 50 100 level I got pocket 5s mid posit....I called and it went round to the small blind.. I was sitting at about 1300 and he at 400. He went all in as most people do so i figured him on ak, aq, aj, or some combo of ace something. so i raised. I do admit this was a bad move...he happened to have kk and took the pot. I accepted my loss. however, my very last hand was at the 250-500 level, 4 people left. I got 55 again. so I took my chances and called hoping the others would too. nope...the guy in early raised me all in. i thought a second and said...well should I make the same mistake and call all in 55...well I made that same mistake and called thinking the same ace something. guess what he had? kk. those odds are so laughable. need I say more?

[GoneBond07]

Ok.
Let’s look at how a poker site should work. Random cards turned over to random players, whatever the level of the players. If this was the case, most good players would play multi tables and clean up, so like the Irish waters and Spanish fishermen, all the fish would dry up. How long would it last? So a set of prot ocols are set in place, thus preventing players robbing the fish. We have all seen players calling anything with anything and hitting every time, I would guess he is on the lowest proto col. I’m sure we played the odds, 22 outs before the river and the one cards Mr X needs hits. Poker is about the player not the cards, online poker is much the same it’s about betting patterns, but even this, you will be stung, most poker games are monitored, so no cheating or collusion can take place. So I would image they can change your proto col very quickly giving the impression of a staff member sitting at a table. In saying that, I have played on tables were I am in the last 4 and 3 players soft play but attack every move I make, and it paying off all the time. (Its like they knew what cards I had).
What I would like to know is if a rich man plays $100 games like I play $1 games, but he is really bad and I can hold my own, what happens to the prot ocol level when I work my way up to that level.

Nemo

[opeboy]

Imagine an employee of one of these poker sites came out and said it was rigged! Almost every and all poker sites would lose instant traffic, the pros that support them would take a big hit to their credibility, and the industry would fall apart. You never hear about the people who make money saying that the sites are rigged. Online play is a lot more loose. you see a hell of a lot more flops in a much shorter period of time. Those 2 items combined equal a lot more bad beats than you would see in a live game. you wanna see some crazy hands people call with goto highstakespokerreport.com or something like that. its a fulltilt site that tells you about money won and lost at the high stakes tables. crazy