Hellmuth quote

Well....you obviously are not a real poker player...and judging from your piss poor analogy aren't very smart. Your basketball comparison makes no sense at all..My point is that I have seen Helmuth get his money in with monster hands and trap his opponent just like you're supposed to and his opponent catch runner runner or 1 and 2 outers to beat him. What further lets me know that you have no clue what you're talking about is your "waiting for aces theory". Real players know that Hellmuth doesn't even play in cash games...he plays tournaments only....If you had ever played in a real tournament before which I doubt...you would know that the blind structure for tournaments doesn't allow you to just sit around and wait for hands. Do yourself a favor and go learn the game.

[CAPPARELLA]

Bravo, Bravo....but i bet if football fields were only 10 yards long everyone would score a touchdown...

[SHAMUS TDT]

I wish I was a "real poker player" like suitedace...i think with guys like him around trying to show off how awesome and insightful he is I'll switch to yahtzee. On second though I'll just continue rake'in pots off of people who think they are special.

[deekay140]

Phil does have amazing instincts, and is a great player. but if his quote were true, then he would have no one to play against (if he won everytime) thus making him the number 1 player by default. I feel that Phil uses his anger and arrogance to market himself. since we are talking about him,,,, its working.

[deekay140]

Oh yeah, Btw , very well said suitedace. I play alot of tourneys and cash games, let me tell ya, I never get outplayed, always outdrawn. Players like Phil and other pros are gonna have a harder and harder time winning the tourneys. there are just too many inexperienced players at these tourneys. When you play and play well, you expect certain things from your opponents. You put a guy on the correct cards and make the correct moves, but some of these guys just wont fold. You sense weakness, you make the move and you get beat by ignorance. I would rather play against pros then amateurs. Ive won quite a few local tourneys ( 75, 95, 300 people games). The key to winning is adjusting your game to your opponents and making the correct decisions.

my 2 cents

[Locohombre]

I've seen Hellmuth get sucked out on more than plenty of times. I know how it is to put a player on the right hand and still lose after calling his bluff. (especially online.) However, I've also seen him get bluffed out by other pros and he occaisonally outdraws his opponent. The harsh reality is that he is old news. Other pros know the way he plays and crush him now. He has skill against ametures, but he can't beat the pros. His strategy is too well known.

[Locohombre]

Originally Posted by SHAMUS TDT

I wish I was a "real poker player" like suitedace...i think with guys like him around trying to show off how awesome and insightful he is I'll switch to yahtzee. On second though I'll just continue rake'in pots off of people who think they are special.

LOL!

[CAPPARELLA]

I did notice that Hell"mouth" won a heads up tourney against all other pros the other day..not bad

Hellmuth hands down is one of the top five players in the world. he dropped out of college, moved to Vegas and won the world series of poker. Id be a little arogant and coky if I had his resume

[reckless1der]

There is always chess for those who don't like the element of chance found in dice and cards.

[HPG ADMIN]

Sometimes I wonder though who the best players are these days because the game has changed to be so much more quicker (with the big fields) and the amatuers being more aggessive than the pros sometimes (Hellmuth got bluffed out on a couple hands during the WSOP by amamtuers who went all-in to scare him out). I think the game has very subtle differences now compared to 3 years ago and I think those small changes can have huge affects on your results if you don't adapt.

Originally Posted by HomePokerGames Admin

Sometimes I wonder though who the best players are these days because the game has changed to be so much more quicker (with the big fields) and the amatuers being more aggessive than the pros sometimes (Hellmuth got bluffed out on a couple hands during the WSOP by amamtuers who went all-in to scare him out). I think the game has very subtle differences now compared to 3 years ago and I think those small changes can have huge affects on your results if you don't adapt.

Bingo. You better get use to the wild azz players. The fact they are playing scares Pros cause they don't stick to the normal rules of poker! You come up with ways to break them, Then shift gears when you get to the good players.