ONLINE POKER - SITE - Party Poker

I'm going to say that the site is horrible on account of its mediocre software, horrible support, and insanely loose players. I don't buy the accounts of cheating and bots and so on, but even with that, it's probably not worth your time unless you enjoy **really** loose games. I gave up on the site after realizing that I had to spend an hour to find a table that wasn't too loose for my taste. 50,000+ users and about 12 of them know how to play a good, fun game of poker.

I have watched the same awful beats for a couple of months now on this site. So I did a survey of players at my tables. I don't really see any reason for them to lie, so here are the results. Out of 210 players only 7 said they had cashed out more than $200. Only 3 said that they were actually ahead. These were $10 tables. If more were ahead, I would think that they might want to brag about it, but maybe not. This is the big secret of online poker. Someone needs to have a site where people honestly post their statistics, and watch for casino employees posts like I see here. Survey tables often where you play and let's shut down the cheaters.

I was playing 7 card hi/lo today and had 8,7,5,4,A for lo, and didn't get the Lo pot (1/2 the pot), but the hand that got it had 8,7,5,3,2. I have screen shots to prove it. I e-mailed PP and have yet to hear back from them. I have often thought they were rigged, and this just proves it to me. If their computers can make this simple of a mistake, what other mistakes are they making? I asked the table what had happened and only one guy responded and said that I should have had the Lo hand.

I started my first real money play on this site. It is amazing how many times pocket pairs are dealt out together. Although people complain about the flushes etc, the biggest flaw you will immediately notice is in this hands where there are 2 pair on the board (a person at table will have the high full house and one with the low end), 4 card straights on the board, and 4 card flushes (someone will have the 2nd nuts and someone will have the nuts). This builds the pot. Whether this has anything to do with Party Poker being rigged I have no idea. I have wondered if the high stakes tables experience this. I imagine that not as many bad beats occur, but Party Poker's players in general are terrible. They chase and chase regardless of the bet. Take it as you will, but my money is now in Full Tilt Poker and Pokerstars.

i think its not real poker. regulated by indians. do these indians have a real casino or those fake pull tab slots (not random like a real slot)? too many hands with multiple pocket pairs. too many funny calls hitting miracles. These same players would be busted in 1 day real casino so how do they last online with faster play? If it was legit it would be ruled by a small group of really good players. I thought I was paranoid about losing after cashout, not anymore.

no longer regulated by indians. has moved to island of gibraltar

One thing for sure...have to agree w/ the guaranteed losing after a big win. Happend to many of my friends and myself...I did win $8,500 off a multitable though so who knows?

One more thing to support this bad player theory...get a REAL deck of cards and give yourself aces...Deal out a suited 9,10, an offsuit 10,j, and a suited K,Q and a pair of 8's...deal the flop and see how many times your aces hold up.

to be objective I thought people were full of it until the stuff started happening to me,disconnects happening at key times usually before enter in the money,I was told told that sometimes in 10 man rooms 2 to 3 players are computer generated players

So here's how it works according to a software friend. You get assigned a seat with a 1-10 ranking which is previously calculated by the computer as to the chances of winning. It gives you winning seats for a while, no matter what your hole cards are, plays about even for a while, and then you lose every match up no matter if you have AA every hand. Then you rebuy. The reason players play so loose is that miracle draws happen often when you are in your winning phase. This also keeps the bad players putting in more money. If you play brilliantly and happen to win, it just keeps giving you 1 or 2 ranked seats until you lose. If you have ever played on line casinos, you have probably senn the same thing.

so it is rigged

Tracie 8,7,5,3,2 is lower than 8,7,5,4,A. Just wondering how you figured you got low on that hand? Party Poker still SUCKS don't get me wrong but your wrong on that account.

this site is bad, i mean im up in last year playing here aroung 5,000 but i just cashed it all out, i notice so many bad beats against me that it is unreal, in ring games you have to play perfect to make any profit, better off to play there 30 speed tourneys and try to get lucky, warning stay away from this site i beleive they use prop players that they program to win and place one on every table taking 1 or 2 hands a round in addition to the rakeif anyone wants vivit me at pokerpromos.bravehost.com

I won 5 grand at party poker one night in a multi-table tournement, but here is the kicker. It was about five in the morning I had 2000 in chips and I was loaded. So i decided to just go all in until I lost. I played every bad hand you can think of. Before you know it I've got 35,000 in chips. At that point I was like play smart you got a shot here. The second I started playing smart my stack dropped back down to 5,000, so I said screw this and played dumb again and won the whole thing. Bottom line with party poker: I don't think they cheat, but I think there is a flae in their sortware. I win consistantly in 1/2 and 2/4 because players are so bad that it compensates for the bad beats. I also win in single table sit-n-go up to 10$ buy in. I recommend you stick to low limits and find the drunk suckers at two in the morning. That should off-set the bad beats.

P.S. The guy who posted about the hot and cold seats is right. I find that whenever I reach three times my bankroll ($50 buy-in in a 1/2 game = get out the second you hit $150) I start to lost everything back.

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This has to be the worst poker website out there. Im not bitter about CONSTANTLY getting cheated on the river at this website, but i will never put another dime into that site. The patterns others above are speaking of are true. Poor players are calling big bets w junks hands and win almost all the time against a very strong hand. Its sick. Try to trap someone on this site, and you will get burned everytime. Just dont play here.

I am running an expariment this weekend. I emailed Party Poker and asked them to close out my account entirly. I am going to open a new account under a new user name and make the initial deposit. I'll let you know if I get great cards teh first couple of days.

I began playing online poker about a year ago and my first poker site was PartyPoker. I have been playing there on and off the entire time. My experience with this site has been "normal". When I began I lost approx. $400 playing $.50/$1.00 over the course of several months. Bad beats, YES, why?, because I didn't know how to play poker. I thought I did but boy was I wrong! The reason I was getting "bad-beated" was because I was in the showdown way too much! I should have gotten out much earlier. After reading and studying several books, playing other sites, (Pacific, Emipre, Paradise) I am much better now and am back to even and making money. Not much, but steadedly winning money. Are my bad beats any fewer, yes. It is because I don't go to river as much as I used too. I have found the card dealing at PartyPoker to be very consistant the entire time I have played there. I have runs of bad luck, runs of good luck and steady runs of win some/lose some but all in all the cards have always seemed to be "normal" with respect to what you would think poker hands should be. I continue to play at PartyPoker because it is a break from the other sites I play on. It is no worse and certainly no better than the others. I don't particularly like the looks of the table and I certainly don't like the fact you don't know the percentage of flops seen. Cash outs have been excellent for me and I do not seem to be punished if I do cash out. The software is adequate but not on par with Paradise for instance. Games are fairly loose and the competition is average. Just realize you are playing against some bad players and when they get lucky you get mad. It's not necessarily the dealers fault. I prefer to play with players who know something about the game. You can predict them better and manipulate them easier if necessary. The word bluff is not in the vocabulary at Party and Pacific. It won't work with these players. Just play solid, tight poker and you will probably win. It won't be as much fun as playing half your hands but more profitable. Another negative is the fact that I have found that the server is not as stable as Paradise. You will experience times when you are kicked off-line and the server will have to reconnect you. Sometimes it can't. Seldom to you need to get back into the system. When I have been playing at PartyPoker, Pacific and Paradise at the same time I experience the same effect at Pacific at the same time I do at Party but do not experience this at Paradise. Paradise must have a more stable server. Overall my experience at Party has been acceptable, not great! I will continue to play there if nothing changes.

Party poker has the best graphics and it is the most organized site on the web....I am a professional poker player and i can gaurentee this site is rigged...I have been calld by fish with abosultely nothing on the flop and turn and they catch a str8 on the river...Once in a while it will always happen, but this happens way to much ...I have complained to party poker and they have sent me money, they do this because they know I am right ....Believe me people, party poker is fixed one way or another, and i can gaurentee they have people working for them at tables....Nothing could convince me otherwise, and i believe everyone on this site posting the positives about party poker are working for them to keep there image up....Dont risk it, play on poker stars and try to stay away from party poker...BELIEVE ME...I have cashed out $2000 in party poker and didnt lost much, but it was discusting how much more money I should of won....

Dom - if you are a professional poker player, I am the president of the United States of America.

Hey, how are all you losers doing? I posted towards the beginning months ago, and somehow made it back here. Nice to see that there is still a million whine bags here. Can I offer you some cheese for that whine?Seriously, if you have not figured it out yet, the people who are complaining about Party Poker are nothing more than losers. How many would cry if they were winning? Get a grip, read some books, and quit your sob story's about the river. Just because you guys saw WSOP on ESPN does not mean you are going to dominate poker yourself. Maybe you guys should try bingo or keno, hahahahahhahahha

PS, if I see any of you crybaby's at Party I will be sure to raise you with my 3 8 off suit just to see you flood your desk with tears.

onvb. dontbother silly. they will recognize ur ip. and get some spelling lessons, how can people trust the validity of your results if you cant get basic grammar downpat? pp still sucks, but its like good coke...i go on my good runs and my bad runs, but i keep comin back. its most definitely the most userfriendly.

and i have to agree with ted. dom, just keep sweepin floors and chase your pipe dreams, bif.

In higher games such as $50 or $100, the employee player either plays without actually buying in, or is sitting there looking at all the hole cards at the table. Easy to program. Either way, the other players are screwed in the long run. The Kawanee Game Commission is just a group of on line casino owners and Price, Waterhouse, Coopers just talks about the RNG. If PWC wanted to reassure players, it would audit the financial results of the sites. If I owned a legit site, I would provide bank statements, sworn affidavits by bank officers, inspections by Microsoft engineers, and any number of other documents to prove that my site was fair. I don't see any such efforts. Until a site is created to track real results from real players, these on line sites will continue to steal millions. Interesting that I have never seen a post or an article from an ex employee of one of these sites.

Here's a quote from Yahoo Business, "It's a high-margin business. On Feb. 22, Sportingbet reported that in the six months through the end of January, the ParadisePoker site contributed $15.3 million in operating profit on $23.9 million in sales." Sure doesn't look like a 10% rake to me. Unless my math is really bad, the profit should have been $2.39 million.

Another track from the broken recordid well, cashed out 4 digits, and now can't win period. Tight-aggressive player... my large pairs are holding up 20% of the time. QQ,KK,AA against smaller pairs, smaller pairs have hit sets 8 times in a row... yes, that is in a row. A pocket small pair has hit the set 8 times in a row when I have had a pocket overpair. I have not hit a set since the cash out... though I did get trips once in the big blind!River beats are constant since cash out, with numerous requiring the turn as well. Keep in mind that my problem with small pairs is in conjunction with all the other crazy things, like 64o of equal stack size calling an all in and hitting a 6 and a 4 versus AQs. I guess it was a RGP'er calling...I remain absolutely convinced that the vast majority of whiners are bitching about the one night where they had AA or KK busted by a fish... but after 10 straight days backed up by careful record keeping, I'm switching sites. Why would a profitable business cheat? If it was a straight up site, the real players would feast on the fish, the fish would go away, and so would the good players. This fad will only last as long as the fish can win... Vegas learned that with the slots... a high rate of return generates more money for the house. Poker is between players; if the casino didn't manipulate things, the fish would be eliminated and the business would be reduced to good players... and good players don't give action to good players. The business would end. The dollars are too large for PP or any site not to look 5 years out... reload bonuses are not good enough to keep the traffic high. All players have to have some wins, and if most are inexperienced, they have to get help.

PLEASE READ... FACTS ON INTERNET POKER. First of all I am no expert on computer software, but I recently held a long detailed conversation with a person who is an expert on computer programming, and he enlightened me to some interesting info on online poker.What most people do not realize is that most internet poker sites do NOT use a TRUE random number generator (and it is completely legal). The software they do use has two main purposes: 1. BIG RAKE and 2. KEEP THEM PLAYING. 1. BIG RAKEThe software used is meant to create multiple "big hands" in order to increase the pot size, thus increasing the rake. This is why you see so many hands of a flush rivering a straight, or a full house rivering flush, etc. The hands are PREDETERMINED in order to get the rake to its MAX. This is why you see so many pairs on the flop, one suited flops, and under-pairs hitting to beat over-pairs. These situations are perfect bait for large pots (thus large rakes). ***note- when i say predetermined, i mean the software will designate multiple big hands , but will NOT designate them to certain people (who receives what hand is actually RANDOM)2. KEEP THEM PLAYINGLet me go back to the PREDETERMINED hand philosophy. When a player is all-in during a hand with EVERYTHING he has (nothing left in his bankroll), it is MORE likely for him to catch his cards no matter what the circumstance, or it is more likely for his hand to hold up. The software recongnizes that the player will go BROKE if he loses, so the software INCREASES his odds of winning the hand. In short, internet poker rewards river players and short stacks, and punishes slow players and big stacks going against small stacks. This is not say that river players will win in the long run, but they may experience the river hitting more often than the odds indicate.

Many online poker sites are fixed in two ways. First, the cards are “Juiced”, that is, at a 8 - 10 person table, 70 - 90% of the players have a taste of the pot based on the 2 down cards they receive. The more people who bet, the more they loose. The more people who loose, the more they re-deposit. The more they re-deposit (and play) the more the online poker company rakes, and the more transaction fees it receives from both the player and the electronic funds companies that sponsor the site. Online Poker is addictive, and by “Juicing” the cards, most companies are preying on this, with 18 - 25 year olds being their prime target audience... By the time the “below average” poker player has gotten in major debt and closed his account, he has already re-deposited 3 or more times, many times more than the initial deposit - it’s a fact. Secondly, after a cash out of money that you won beyond your initial deposit, nearly everyone experiences the “losing trend”, where you catch no cards, you get bad beats time after time, and the ONLY cards that can beat you are ALWAYS the cards that beat you. After extensive searching online, I cannot find any reasonable explanation to this from anyone, other than most online poker sites want you to bust for the above reasons. I am a 14 year “Hold ‘Em” Player who is above-average in skill, but not a “Pro” by any means. I played online Hold Em for the first time 6 months ago on ‘Party Poker’, and had never seen such card distribution in my life. It was very clear from the first hand that something was a little odd about the cards that were dealt. I lost $ 4800 in 4 months on Party Poker, most of that in disbelief of the bad beats. I recently joined an online site that uses PricewaterhouseCoopers auditing of their cards, and have been a consistent winner every week since ...