ONLINE POKER - SITE - Party Poker

I think it's true - looking at a PL 1000 Omaha player at 4 tables for 12 hours now and counting, from 3am when first spotted him - with his location as "Not Available". Funny thing is the guy is up only $200 net with all that playing time and never pre-flop raises.

Believe the hype - PP is NOT legit at all. Trust me, I'm not one to be overly superstitious about poker - if i take a lot of bad beats, i'm gonna take my cold run of cards like a man. But for the last week, immediately following a significant withdrawal of cash from my account, i have seen an unbelievable number of bad beats. EVERY big NL pot i get into i get outdrawn - one hand i had top trips with 10-10, and someone went all in with AK and caught a running JQ to win. If that happened just once, I'd understand that's just the way poker is, but i've had beats like that repeatedly ever since i took money out of my account, so i dont think its a coincidence any more.

It still amazes me how bad poker players need to create a "conspiracy theory" to explain how bad they are. Just say it: YOU SUCK! I am not a pro, nor have I been playing since the Nixon administration. I play as a hobbie and for fun one a week for the past 6 years or so. Never have I suffered because of a cashout, I suffer because millionaires will sit at a 1-2 table and call and raise anything with anything. I guarantee that if you sit at a 10-20 table, all the stupid crap dissapears. People call anything for a dollar. But make then call $100 with bottom pair or a gutshot and I guarantee fewer bad beats. Most of these idiots who claim "bad beat" are ones who will call and raise two black aces to the river and beyond even after 4 hearts hit the board and claim bad beat. I watch you do it time and time again, and you make me a pretty nice chunk of change in the process. Read a book, take a lesson, use half a brain and an ounce of common sense and you'll win. got pockets with an overcard on the board, check or fold. If u take a chance and lose, its your ass. A4 beating KK is only a bad beat when your dumb enough to play your kings when its obvious the other guys got an ace. You think it doesn't happen in real life, watch the 2004 U.S. poker Championship the next time its on. John D'agostino took it in the ass 4 times at the final table and blew 1.5 million chips in less than an hour. He had aces cracked by J5s, had TT cracked by 87 hitting quads on the turn, had KK in a hand with QQ and JJ at the same time when the flop hits QJx. Are the rng's completely random, NO. randpmness is impossible by a computer. but its as close as you can bet it. And for any idiot who needs a conspiracy theory, heres another theory, go play canasta, its cheaper.

Amazing, just happened again! Just won a $300 pot from a guy who called me down to the river with KK with the board showing a queen, jack, ten, and 3 diamonds. Then proceeds to tell me that I just gave him the worst beat he's taken in over a year. (got a free look with A7s from BB called a minimum bet with nut flush draw on flop, bet 50 on turn, 100 on river) This is what is represented by half the idiots in this forum. This IS NOT a bad beat, this is flat out stupidity. Big difference.

I guess I find it very humorous the people who talk about how great their playing is when they deposit, and how bad it gets when they cashout. What I'm wondering is, if you believe that you win when you deposit (because of some grand machinations of collusion or crime going on at PartyPoker), then why not just keep redepositing money every week or so. This should keep you winning forever. Then, when your account reaches 1,000,000 you can just cash out and never play there again. Sigh...

Full of house cheats making unusual bets and drawing on the river, time after time after time. RUN, DON'T WALK FROM THIS SITE!!!!!!!!!!!

Honk honk, big daddy and all the other PP employees. Yes, you are brilliant, why aren't you playing pro? Does your day job changing tires challenge you that much?Of course the employees and honks and cyberrefs have chirped in "Well, it's just that you suck" refrain with a chorus of "show me your proof". Damien's work is already out there online, see him play 2 different ID's at once at the same table. There's the proof about collusion. Argue it, please, prove what an idiot you are.Next, the employees are playing and can see your cards. No, they are NOT going to rape the table completely, just take down 2 or 3 hundred in an hour or 2 maybe twice or 3 times a week. Know how far $600 goes in Costa Rica? I don't believe in hearsay, and can't publish it. What I do believe is the videos I have of ex-employees showing me how they can see EVERYBODY's CARDS!!!Party poker is rife with cheating. Stick to the 50 cent game and it doesn't matter, but by all means stay away from the high stakes and pot limit games.

Changing tires is gonna make me 10 times more money than this bullshit "magazine" of yours most people wouldn't even bother wiping their asses with. 2 different id's at once at the same table? register at party poker and empire poker from different computers. Simple. You're the biggest moron of the bunch. I am supposed to believe ex-employees are gonna talk to some schmuck like you, put it in a magazine nobody can be bothered with instead of going to the "real" media? If it was true, it would be all over the place by now. As far as I go, i am not a cheat and can beat you out of much more than 4 grand in a lot less than 2 or 3 hours. Your interviews are bull####, your article is bull####. you are bull####. And if it actually took you 4 grand to figure this out, your a bigger moron than I give you credit for. I dont believe in hearsay either, and until you put your money where your mouth is, thats all you are, therefore, your article is hearsay. The only fraud here is you.

Here is a great example of the software being set up to raise the pots in a NL table. I caught 99 in the pocket/ The flop came J 9 5 / Obviously I played this hand quite aggressively being there were no straight or flush draws/ Me and another guy bet and raised all the way to the river/ He had JJ in the pocket making his set better! What are the odds of that happening.

This is the only site I have tried and I can tell you that almost 70% of the hands are predetermined. I play every other day in Atlantic City at the Taj and I have never seen so many pocket pairs being dealt at the same time. The bottom line is anyone can get lucky and win on this site but your skill is devalued due to the unfair software.

I used to work for Party poker, in the admin & accounts section.The flops that are dealt out at parts are designed to create action, its as pure and simple as that.The flops are 'random', but they are 'randomly GOOD'.As far as i was aware employees could not see users cards, however, their were LOTS of instances where players (hackers) could exploit the software, and were able to tell what cards other players were holding.This was happening all the time, and none of the staff (including programming) could do anything about it, because they simply did'nt know how hackers were manipulating the software. If you do choose to play at Party poker be aware that this site is RIFE with hackers.

Just to add to my previous posting : we used to ban/suspend around 10 accounts a week, usually for players that were chatting on the Party site about the sort of things this forum topic is regarding.The banned accounts allways had their funds 'frozen' , so be very carefull. Ann.

Guys, please stop this nonsense about rigged sites. The only (proven) way sites stole player's money is much simpler than making biased shuffle - PokerSpot was the most prominent example. I'm 100% sure that _none_ of the big rooms is intentionally rigged; as for Stars' - I had doubts about them at some point (after a bad beat streak obviously) and asked them to send me the whole history of my play there; when I've got it, I made all kinds of statistical analysis with it (and I have a degree in maths) - and came up with nothing beyond statistical expectations. So until somebody will provide a mathematical proof (rather than emotional "he got one-outer, it should NEVER happen, at least not to me") - I won't even consider such a possibility. Face it, guys - bad beats is an integral part of poker. And those who cannot deal with it, just should not play poker, ever - there are other ways to have fun in life.

Notice how you almost always get a good hand dealt when you first arrive at a table. Also notice how newcomers to the table almost always get dealt a good hand. By good hand, I mean one that you almost always will come into the pot with and not necessarily win. I have seen the win-lose-win-lose-win-lose cycle for over two months. I too began to loose when I made a withdrawal. I suspect that PP seeds your player ID to win at first, then lose.I have seen way too many second best hands that are ridiculous.A few weeks ago I witnessed 4 Royal Flushes, one of them my own, in the space of three hours. What are the odds of that?BTW they gave away the bad beat jackpot that same weekend. Someone with a really good hand got beat by the Royal Flush.That is when I started to watch for the idiosyncrocies of the deal.Yes, I too could start playing A2o, A6s early, bull-sith, bull-sith, but for some strange reason, I don't catch the flop, turn or river. My opponents do though, when I have AAA they have 4444. FISHY site!

Here's why you see more bad beats at Party than anywhere else:There are a lot of terrible players playing there. If there are more opportunities for someone to suck out, then there will be more suck outs.As far as comparing the free money game to real play, it's impossible. People just don't play free money the same way... they're conditioned by TV poker to go 'all in' before the flop. These morons don't realize that the pros only do this at the end of a tourney, when they're short stacked and about to be blinded out of the game.Party is legit, you just need to modify your play to accomodate all the FISH.

Avoid this site at all costs. Ask anyone who has played this site. When a player gets down to all in or very short stacked party poker will deal this player a winner about 90% of the time. It is suppossed to be random. You will lose your $$$$ at this site.

party poker is rigged. how many times have we seen full houses, flushes, 4 of a kind, then how many times would you see that in real life?????you are truly kidding yourself if you don't believe it's rigged

OKAY, LET'S SUM UP ALL WE KNOW ABOUT PARTY POKER!!!1. Most people have experienced extended losing streaks after cashouts.2. Most people (dare I say all people?) have seen a few 4 of a kinds, which just doesn't happen in real life3. EVERYONE has seen someone go all in on 2 5 os and catch a full house or 4 of a kind or some such rubbish, beating AA or other.4. PartyPoker is licensed in Gibraltar - do you know what it takes to get licensed in Gibraltar? nothing but $$$5. Have another look at the nice logos that partypoker sports and tell me how many actually MEAN anything in the real world - none. They relate to non-gaming issues, such as software security, or they are members of dodgy 'authorities'.I got an email stating that partypoker was regulated by the government of Gibraltar, so I checked out what that means. The answer is simple - nothing. It just means that they pay money to the government for being a Gibraltar-based company.You hear of people who blame losing on bad play - the number of times I have seen AA cracked by absolute rubbish is too countless to mention.Anyone who thinks partypoker is legitimate needs to watch game after game of real poker played live, then make a decision.As for RTP (return to player), it is uncanny how similar this is to online slots. Poker has completely different odds, yet if you look at what you have spent compared to what you have made, and then compare this again to a wider group of players, I can say with absolute confidence that you will find the RTP at almost exactly 93%Don't be fooled by ANY online gaming site - they are in business to take your money, they are in the business to keep you interested until the moment that you wish to leave, they are, in effect, parasites, sucking out your cash without any remorse.

Whilst I acknowledge the arguments above about loose players causing more bad beats (that I can live with), my concern is mainly that the low chip player in an all in hand loses so often on PP. It seems that they need to reduce the tournament/sit & go numbers at a set rate which basically screws the low chip players. Having studied hands odds, I know that when I am low stack and go in ONLY with a good ace or pair above 9s, I should usually (1 in 3 times or so, depending on what I am up against) be able to double up. In reality I win these hands only about 1 in 20 times, and see the same thing happening to the other people at the tables. I also experienced a winning streak when I first started playing and now, even though my game has not changed at all, cannot even get close. Would appreciate any suggestions of better (honest) sites to play.

just a little note,ive played at absolute,ive seen the incredible moves,some players make,iv complained,to no avale the sites dont care unless they catch you,what i would like to know,is someone or can someone do anything about it,i like playing,take the good with the bad,its just not a level playing field,if someone can see your cards.is their anything out there,to stop cheats???how can you really spot a cheat???

this site is rigged PERIOD!... they have their own players... their are hackers that can exploit the software and see your hole cards... why play at a site like this that is so obviously DODGY when their are loads of honest sites around.The posters here standing up for party poker are either cheating or work for party.... keep away from this dodgy sh1thole...BTW: they are not regulated by ANYONE... thats total BS

I wish when I made my first deposit I won with anything - like some people claim has happened to them, only to lose with good hands after a win streak. Unfortunately, I learned that I have alot to learn about playing poker... play money teaches you NOTHING!!!! I made my first deposit and lost it all that same night, because I played poorly. My next deposit lasted almost a week, apparently I learned something. My next deposit will hopefully last longer. Not sure I believe the site is rigged... you play twice as many hands in a sitting than a real b&m or home game... therefore you see twice as many bad beats than in real life. Poker is a game of skill, but also a game of LUCK... it is gambling... no one can win every hand... not everyone can be the next Gus Hanson (calling an all-in with 10-8 offsuit)... if he could call that bet in a live tourney and win, why can't an online player do the same and get lucky as well. As for the stat keepers, statistics even out in the LONG RUN, keep your stats going and you will see... 6000 hands will hardly represent the true odds.... with a ten person table, there are 168,048,732,312,823,708,461,925,671,413,760 different possibilities of hands being dealt = 1326 (different starting hands) to the tenth power (number of players, in a specific order) * ten (different positions)........ most people will never see the true odds represented, some people are doomed to lose in their lifetimes... and apparently they all came here to complain.

In addition, to people who say that four of a kind never happens 2 or 3 times in a 'real game', I hit four of a kind three times in one night at a real home game in a few hours.... I guess the party poker god somehow rigged my home game.... the nerve of these deities! Also, about the rake.. to put things into perspective, if ten people bought into a $100 table at a real casino with a $3 rake and the obligatory $1/2 tip per win, the casino would take almost ALL the money in roughly 8 hours of play if everyone stayed until they lost, leaving only one winner who may only have his initial buy-in left, depending on how quickly the other people lost. Hmmm, casinos make money.. PP makes money. I once saw a breakdown of millions of hands played at pokerroom by expected value.... they all evened out to expected odds in the longrun. Poker is a lifetime game, it is not impossible to have a losing streak last months or even years.... some things in statistics are highly improbable, BUT NOT IMPOSSIBLE!!!!

Mental Note: If You Really Want To Make The Money.... Start A Poker Site!!!!

I am not sure about anything. I play in the 30 and 50 dollar hold'em single table sit and gos. I have won a little over $1000 in the past couple months, but I sense I should be winning more. I recently placed 4th (just out side the money) in 14 out of the last 20 tournaments I played in. This sucked, but it is NOT outside the realm of possibility, but it is HIGHLY unlikely. Things like that kind of make me wonder. But then again, I will occasionally win 3, 4, or even 5 tournaments in a row. As for the apparent propensity for a bad luck streak to strike after a cash out, I am not sure. However, I would venture to guess that the reason people cash out in the first place is because they were just on a good luck streak. Luck runs in streaks, and what goes up must come down. As for hackers or party poker cheats, they probably exist, so I guess you just gotta be that much better.

i deposited $50 yesterday at partypoker and today my bankroll is $35037.66. I am the best poker player alive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This site is definitely rigged. As I have gotten better as a poker player I am finding the worse and worse I do. At first when I would fish quite often I had tripled my money in no time at all. The more seasoned I became, the worse I did. After I played real poker with my friends one day, and I told them I played Party Poker they told me it was rigged - which at the time, I didn't believe. When I went home I fired up Party Poker to play a few hands. In the utmost irony I witnessed the most ridiculous things happen for the first time. My first hand of the night was pocket Kings (pretty sweet first hand). Flop came up K,4,J all different suits. Next two cards come up clubs (Jack is a club too). What do you know, guy beats my trip kings with a flush on the river. And not just any flush, 2 4 suited. Wtf? The VERY next hand I am dealt pocket aces. As if THAT alone isn't sketchy enough, with KK then AA back to back. Regardless, flop comes up J 8 4. Turn is 5. River a 6. Guy wins with a straight J 7 suited. I wasn't quite as upset with that loss since it wasn't as ridiculous as the hand before, but lame none the less. Nothing can convince me anymore that the site isn't rigged. I've heard enough good poker players come to the same conclusion as well to give it any second thought.

Very interesting reading this stuff! I have not yet played any online games and based on what I read here would be mad to do so without at least some investigation. One question comes straight to my mind though, if games are rigged why make it appear so blatant as many of these stories would indicate? If there are bots playing predetermined outcomes you would only need to program them to win a little more often than they should and they will still get your money eventually but subtly enough for it take a very long time to detect.

Good point prestbury.... if games are rigged (and I don't think they are) then why would they rig the games in such obvious ways... they could simply rig good starting hands and take the money.... I think people are seeing bad poker players throwing money around that doesn't mean much to them.... if I was wealthy I just might go into a low stakes room and play like a maniac, but the money means too much to me... none of the hands written about above surprise me, I've seen them in home and casino games.... either people aren't raising enough to protect their hands or they are playing limit and getting rivered... happens all the time. Unfortunately, you cannot prove that a conspiracy doesn't exist, that is why they are always so appealing... perhaps some people won't admit that they are simply bad poker players and won't accept the fact that some people get lucky...

I started my online playing with PP and found at the start it was great, but have also noticed lately the extreme amounts of bad beats.. And I have started to believe all this hype about them jucing the hands to increase the rake, yes its possible to win but Im fed up with the amount of crud that occurs compared to the local casino or other online poker sites. I think there is a reason why PP makes so much money :\