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so how do we bring these sites to justice and get our money back?

Why would you raise 10x the big blind to open the pot? That in of itself is a bad play

Deposited 25 bucks today.(the mininum). And lost it all. Why because players at this damn site are tight as hell! So what did I do? Play rags..Out of 30 hands today, I only received 2 pp and aX 1 time. Compared to party which I get a pp every other hand.. lol..Well i may have lost also, due to the face I wasn't comfortable yet with the software. Ive been playing at party for almost 2yrs now, so I want to give another site a try.. Other guy is right, if you want to build a decent BR, you have to play with people who suck or FISHES, and no to many of at UB. Tight as a dolphins butt..

i haven't see that the ub players are tight at all quite the opposite. As far as only seeing 2 pocket pairs in 30 hands give me a break. How often do you expect to get pocket pairs, it is something that should not happen all that often. As for ax, i see that all the time and it is still a shit hand.

Here's another classic tale of an UltimateBeat and how the board always favors the large stack. This large stack guy raises out of position preflop (and he's been raising preflop each hand no matter what position). I call with pocket 9s. The board comes 2d 7d 3c. He bets the pot and I reraise all-in. He has 8d 4h. No pair, no draw. But wait a minute! The turn comes up a Jack of diamonds. And, of course, the river comes up a diamond. He caught two running diamonds to make an 8 high flush. This happens very often at UB. The percentage of bad beats far exceeds the theoretical value.

Just as an experiment, I went all in my first hand on 5 Stt with Jack 8 suited.

One caller AK, I flopped a flush. Duh. Move chips first, you're good. Call, and your dead, even IF you are percentage fav.

Flopped straight later on, same seat that raised my BB entire tourney, hit river flush, no money. Now after 140 crap hands folded, I finally flop a straight, they river magic again.

Next tourney, ramped up my play. Down to 4 at bubble. I'm chip leader on small blind.
Flop flush draw, turn hit for Kflush. River gives same exact seat as last tournament had been maniac on his bb and rightly so, considering how many QQ, KK, AA he had all tourney, went all in at river. Why? He had aces. 666 on board.

Yeah, right. Two tourneys against total dipshits with golden hands 'at just the right moment'. The eventual money winners of course. Catch a whiff then they slam the door shut at "just the right moment".

How do they key things so well to give you beats on the best hand you've had ALL TOURNEY?

After dominated a 6 seat stt for the better part of an hour, it got down to final 2. Me, versus the guy that couldn't not get cards at any time. I got so sick of the 59, then 49, then 38, then 29, then Q2, then K2, it was totally ridiculous. Heck I figured he couldnt hit the flop every time, so a nice 38 preflop raise was about the best I could do.

I told the guy that even though I had chip lead, he would win, cause thats UB. You KNOW if you will win.

And yes, I know how to fold. I folded at least 15 blinds in a row what I didnt bluff. It was unbelievable the crap. Then the flops started akk aak kka aak it was ridiculous.

Final hand, I limped with my DB, he with slick. Flop 2xK Turn 10, all in, river Ace. I wasn't even mildly surprised. Ub has done that now on EVERY stt where I was a whiff of 1st. Taken cards away from me its so obvious.

2 rounds solid of total crap and aka flops smells like predetermined seat winner not poker.

Oh, and to the big SH talker on UB who won the last one before this one? Don't make it so obvious next time when you are berating the table, AND getting so many good cards, good flops, good turns, and good rivers, THEN, steering people to your site on "how to play poker", which of course is loaded with affiliate ads.

UB=total scam, bet on THAT and you wont lose. Too many questionable people on there.

Hi. I'm just an average guy who plays poker at UB. In 2004, I played a $3 rebuy for a total of $9. I won a tournament entry chip and played it in the $109 Aruba tournament. Only 98 players played at it was a winner takes all finish. The last 2 people were me and KrazyKanuck, the site ambassador. I was sure I had been set up. I was outchiped 4 to 1. Low and behold, he was card dead and I won. I went to Aruba, it was the best time I have ever had. I got to meet and play with 10+ professionals. Phil Helmuth, Annie Duke, and Antonio Esfandiari were all there. Want to talk about bad beats. I finished 131 of 647 players. I cashed for $7000. I was beaten by Antonio Esfandiari and he had 29 off suit. I only had 12k chips left and he had 150K. He raised everyhand from the time he sat down at my table. I went all in against his 7k raise with KQ suited and he called. He flipped up the 29 off suit. He hit the 2 on the flop and the 9 on the turn. My first tournament was over. He said "that's poker". I have pictures with all 3 of them and the Devil Fish. I was able to meet the man I beat, James Worth aka KrazyKanuck, for the trip to Aruba. He's a very nice guy. It was great fun meeting all the regulars PokerHo, Legggggy, SailorLobell. I've only won big twice in 2 years at UB once for the 10k aruba and 1 time for $1280. I've won $4500 at Party Poker in a $20 limit game vs 1090 players. Sure, I was sceptical about playing poker anywhere. I get bad beaten more often than not. But I've won more money than I have lost and I have been able to cash out from both sites. My advise is to play only what you can lose. Play the sit and gos until you have won enough to play in several rebuys for entry into larger tournaments or play the $1-$20 tournaments. It may take you 6 months before you come in first or second. But it will happen if you play solid poker. Don't expect to hit something big on a consistant basis. Accept the bad beats, and be greatful when you bad beat someone else, it happens to everyone. In all 3 of my big wins, there was 1 or 2 times that I was All In and should have been out of the tournament, but fortunately I got the suckout river I needed. Good luck to you all and see you around the tables.

Pal you're full of it. I love all these fools that talk about how much they won on line. LMAO Thanks for the laughs BUB!

[Locohombre]

This site beats the crap out of Party Poker!

You guys are all such pussies, like UB needs to rig their site when they are already making millions off legit play. Why would they want to scare off customers by using rigged software? You're all a bunch of whiny ass bitches who think online play is rigged and don't realize that you see at least 10 times more hands online than you do in real life, and therefore see weirder hands. And you will notice that whatever site you play on, everyone claims it is rigged. EVERY site has people that say this.

Does anyone know where to find people who sell UB play chips

thx
john

Someone explain to me why they would think online poker would be completely safe. I've been playing for fun on UB for about 5 years now. Lost some money, made some money. All in all I manage to break about even all the time. I have run into terrible runs. I will win a grand in two SNGs then lose 10 in a row from very difficult games. I ALWAYS win home games. I get suspecious, but I still play because it's so exciting and fun.

What I keep thinking about is how easy it would be for a professional to find and log IP addresses for the players on UB and retrieve the information sent to those IP addresses as you got into a game with them. Then have the information decoded in the same way UB software does.

It doesn't sound like an impossible task to me as and Electrical Engineer, although I have no idea how to go about doing any of this. Everyone knows any computer can be hacked, why couldn't this be done?

I agree whole heartedly it's almost as if you can predict what cards will come or what your odds of are winning or who it is that will win the hand even before the cards come. I first started in home games, and then my friends had me watch the WSOP, and thats how I came to play online. UB is BY FAR the worst site I've come to play on and I've been playing for about 3yrs...I'm not a professional but I am a good poker player. I wish someone could figure out a way to "beat the house" so to speak...maybe some MIT student or something I don't know...Can anyone tell me what they think of absolute poker? I'll check the post for an answer from time to time...

You are so right on knowing what will come up on UB. They do suck. Major runner runner and river kills. I play live and don't see half the crap happen there. As for Absolute Poker. I now play there all the time. Lots of freerolls and all kinds of tourny's. Not half as many bad beats as UB. Been playing there for about a year now. I'm sure people have there complaints about them too. After all it is the internet. Have fun. See you at the tables.

UB is the only site where you can win money with out putting any money into an account. I am up 1500 dollars and have never put any money in my Ub account. This site kicks ass. All of you pussys who cant play just cmplain all day.

UB kicks its on ass. You can win money on almost any poker site that has freerolls. I play on Absoulte Poker and win all the time. Never put cash in there. Win only from the freerolls and then sng's. You will get rivered all the time on UB. Played there for almost 3 yrs. The only good thing is the table setup. You obviously don't play much or you would know this. I play with a couple of groups on UB and we all have the same complaint. I don't think you could even quailify to play with the WAPT. Pussy.

[CubsFanSean]

While I agree this site has good games, there support makes this all worth nothing. They never will refund money even if the site messes up. They don't care about their customers at all. They do not respond in a timely manner especially with live play issues and they are absolutely unwilling to admit that their site can have a glitch every once in a while. So, while I hate having to leave a site with such potential, their support is just absolutely 100 percent atrocious and worthless. People like Derek and others who work there should learn how to read emails and actually answer them instead of giving sorry but our records show blah blah blah.

CUBSFANSEAN

[Vicfats]

I will agree their customer support is a joke. The best customer support is Doyle's Room even though their games kind of suck due to lack of traffic and willingness to put any money into the game

[bad_dog76]

Great Tourney's here. Many freerolls, one thing I noticed with this site, however was the amazing amount of times the big stack swallows the small stack in a tournament no matter what the hands are. I had the big stack at the table 15K one player went all in pre flop for his last 2720 with KK I called with QK. Flop came K 10 J turn A river 9. So I took the hand. Thought maybe I was lucky until the next time I called with J9 vs AA and flop came 9 J 9 turn K river 4. Finally the hand that won it for me was 8 10 vs A 10 when I hit my straight on the river.
I've lost hands the same way in tournies. Just kind of weird. Am I the only one who sees the big advantage the big stacks have?

If you're wondering if the sites use bots, sit down on a play money heads up cash game. Fold and show every hand and take the maximum amount of time. Pretty obvious a normal person would get bored and leave. But it will go on for hours without a word. Sometimes after a long time, the employees are signaled something is wrong and they start talking asking what you're doing. It's pretty amusing.....check it out. Good Luck, you'll need it on here.

[HPG ADMIN]

Correct me if i am wrong but i thought ultimatebet admitted using bots on its play money games.

[AceofSpader]

So far UB and pokerstars are the only sites that I use.

Best ones that are out there by far.

Worst are partypoker and pacific poker

AoS

[AceofSpader]

Hey, ADMIN, you should make it where guests cant post unless they register so it would clean up these boards.

I mean, how many guests are here compared to members?

Since youre the forum god, use your powers for good sometime! lol

AoS

[joshil3]

I agree that UB is rigged to create more action at the tables. I've at least 4 times more bad beats there than anywhere else. My last 2 10-seat SnG's, I saw 3 and 5 quads, the last of which each knocked out my full house.

I was doing quite well when I first signed up, so I added on to my account. Well the money didn't show up for 3 days, although they said it would take 2 hours, and I finally got a response after 3 emails. After complaining to them and threatening to go to another site in the last email, I've had nothing but bad beats when I get a descent hand, and otherwise, I'm getting cards like 46o and 26o at least 70% of the time, it's rediculous.

Don't even consider going to this site, unless you can figure out how the hand is rigged. Keep calling to the river if you're the underdog.

[Ruth4]

My experience of ub and some other sites. Every time I've made a withdrawal, it is followed by bad cards and ridiculous,improbable suckouts. I must lose 80% of the time as a favorite/50/50 after withdrawing $, until I've lost a substantial amount of my withdrawal. I'm not playing any different either. There is a pattern on cash games where when I build some cash, it is followed by a great hand(that is impossible to fold(aa preflop or set on flop) that is beaten on river by huge underdog(runner runner flushes 2 outs etc). I've played live for 3 years and online for 3, and I know there are 3 times more hands online, but there are also 10 times more bizarre hands online as well. I've also been able to predict after going all in, when I am going to get sucked out or lose a 50/50 with accuracy, as if I'm picking up on the pattern. My theory is that ub(and other sites) make a lot more $ by spreading wins around(which keeps people winning and stops them from trying other sites or not playing. Keep all in the cash games as well with easily rigged software,(not to mention, on any table there can be 2+ working together with a cell phone) and they make more $. Throw in some bots or software people on some seats and altogether, they are making a ton more. Most say, "Well they make so much already" Sure didn't Michael Milken and the likes too? Just because they make millions already, doesn't mean they wont be happy making a lot more immorally. No one wants to question wether this is true or not. They react angrily. I guess because it destroys their dreams of making it big. What regulatory service is really watching anyway? I've never heard of even an investigation taking place on any of the hundreds of sites online. I'm not a bitter, sore loser, just someone that is open to the idea that it could be rigged. I'm careful and don't trust enough to invest a substantial stack. Keep track and be open as well is my advice, before you start putting up a lot of real $ online.

[CubsFanSean]

We all feel this way sometime but is it really that way or are you catching a bad run. I mean seriously, 50/50 keep track you'll win 50/50 and I wont' even ask why you are coin flipping your money in a cash game. I have cashed out about 3 to 4 K on there and I steadily build and cash out again. . .I'm not saying I'm great, I have bad swings and low swings but in the long run I end out up.

The best way to think of this is this--you give UB their money in rake/tournament buy in entry fees etc. . what to do they gain by setting the sight up to **** you. . .. they gain nothing--they want you to keep spending the money. . .

So, just keep grinding it out. . that's my advice.

[HPG ADMIN]

That is a good point about coin flipping in cash games. Coinflips have a 0 EV so they have no purpose in a cash game - they increase risk while not increasing profits.

[fasteddy18788]

I have over $400.00 in a cash account with Ultimate Bet. It is gone. I have written to customer service more than a dozen times. I have received no response at all. Has anyone else had this proplem? How can it be resolved? Where are the corporate headquarters located? What is the name of the parent corporation? I would like to contact them directly.